Jan 27 2020, 10:50 PM
QUOTE(Py80 @ Jan 27 2020, 10:29 PM)
Race issues aside, I think you are slightly mistaken on the Royal College exams.
MRCS was not de-recognised in Malaysia the way you describe it, and certainly NOT because of racial issues.
The MRCS is a written exam only. Taken during your MO years. Purely theory and therefore not proof of qualitication as a surgeon. In the UK system its considered an entrance exam. This means if you didn't pass it, its very unlikely you will not be able to proceed into surgical training of any speciality.
After your MRCS, and once you completed your 5-6 year surgical training, you sit for an exit viva exam. If you pass you will get the CCST and be awarded the FRCS. There is actually no such things as CCST post nominal. The post nominal is just FRCS (speciality). Some non-UK doctors may also carry the FRCS post nominal if they have been awarded the fellowship from the Royal College for outstanding achievement in their speciality.
The problem in Malaysia was that doctors were at the time were using the MRCS it as a recognition of specialist surgical training (in the same way the MRCP is used for internal medicine). This is totally flawed as surgical training is basically a structured apprenticeship program and not something you can just study and pass.
For internal medicine , its more knowledge based.. so for a long time, passing the MRCP(UK) meant you had achieved a certain level of clinical knowledge in general internal medicine. In the UK having the MRCP meant you could then pursue subspecialization , gastro, cardio, oncology, etc.
In Malaysia, due to lack of internal medicine subspecialist in the past, we maintained the general internal medicine physician to cover everything. and the MRCP with 4 years experience as an MO in general medicine was enough to gazette you as a specialist in general medicine.
In the UK there is no longer just a general physician. Everyone must continue into a subspecialty whereby there is another exit exam.. the MRCP SCE for each sub speciality.
Some non-UK subspecialists have also taken the MRCP SCE exam just to see if their knowledge is on par with the UK trained subspecialist.
The FRCP title is automatically awarded to UK consultants working in substantive posts within NHS hospitals after a period of time, the FRCP title can also be awarded to non-uk doctors if they show substantial contribution to their field of expertise.
Hope this clears up some ambiguity.
eh....i think you confused the mrcs with the old frcs in general.....the later is still recognised as a specialist qualification....MRCS was not de-recognised in Malaysia the way you describe it, and certainly NOT because of racial issues.
The MRCS is a written exam only. Taken during your MO years. Purely theory and therefore not proof of qualitication as a surgeon. In the UK system its considered an entrance exam. This means if you didn't pass it, its very unlikely you will not be able to proceed into surgical training of any speciality.
After your MRCS, and once you completed your 5-6 year surgical training, you sit for an exit viva exam. If you pass you will get the CCST and be awarded the FRCS. There is actually no such things as CCST post nominal. The post nominal is just FRCS (speciality). Some non-UK doctors may also carry the FRCS post nominal if they have been awarded the fellowship from the Royal College for outstanding achievement in their speciality.
The problem in Malaysia was that doctors were at the time were using the MRCS it as a recognition of specialist surgical training (in the same way the MRCP is used for internal medicine). This is totally flawed as surgical training is basically a structured apprenticeship program and not something you can just study and pass.
For internal medicine , its more knowledge based.. so for a long time, passing the MRCP(UK) meant you had achieved a certain level of clinical knowledge in general internal medicine. In the UK having the MRCP meant you could then pursue subspecialization , gastro, cardio, oncology, etc.
In Malaysia, due to lack of internal medicine subspecialist in the past, we maintained the general internal medicine physician to cover everything. and the MRCP with 4 years experience as an MO in general medicine was enough to gazette you as a specialist in general medicine.
In the UK there is no longer just a general physician. Everyone must continue into a subspecialty whereby there is another exit exam.. the MRCP SCE for each sub speciality.
Some non-UK subspecialists have also taken the MRCP SCE exam just to see if their knowledge is on par with the UK trained subspecialist.
The FRCP title is automatically awarded to UK consultants working in substantive posts within NHS hospitals after a period of time, the FRCP title can also be awarded to non-uk doctors if they show substantial contribution to their field of expertise.
Hope this clears up some ambiguity.
and the mrcs is in 2 parts, a theory part 1 and a osce part 2.....
and no, the general physician is still very much in existence in uk....although most will have a subspeciality interest....that has nothing to do with the mrcp....the certification of a specialist in uk is the cst....and entry into the specialist registry of the gmc....
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