Race issues aside, I think you are slightly mistaken on the Royal College exams.

MRCS was not de-recognised in Malaysia the way you describe it, and certainly NOT because of racial issues.

The MRCS is a written exam only. Taken during your MO years. Purely theory and therefore not proof of qualitication as a surgeon. In the UK system its considered an entrance exam. This means if you didn't pass it, its very unlikely you will not be able to proceed into surgical training of any speciality.

After your MRCS, and once you completed your 5-6 year surgical training, you sit for an exit viva  exam. If you pass you will get the CCST and be awarded the FRCS. There is actually no such things as CCST post nominal. The post nominal is just FRCS (speciality). Some non-UK doctors may also carry the FRCS post nominal if they have been awarded the fellowship from the Royal College for outstanding achievement in their speciality.

The problem in Malaysia was that doctors were at the time were using the MRCS it as a recognition of specialist surgical training (in the same way the MRCP is used for internal medicine). This is totally flawed as surgical training is basically a structured apprenticeship program and not something you can just study and pass.

For internal medicine , its more knowledge based.. so for a long time, passing the MRCP(UK) meant you had achieved a certain level of clinical knowledge in general internal medicine. In the UK having the MRCP meant you could then pursue subspecialization , gastro, cardio, oncology, etc.

In Malaysia, due to lack of internal medicine subspecialist in the past, we maintained the general internal medicine physician to cover everything. and the MRCP with 4 years experience as an MO in general medicine was enough to gazette you as a specialist in general medicine.

In the UK there is no longer just a general physician. Everyone must continue into a subspecialty whereby there is another exit exam.. the MRCP SCE for each sub speciality.

Some non-UK subspecialists have also taken the MRCP SCE exam just to see if their knowledge is on par with the UK trained subspecialist.

The FRCP title is automatically awarded to UK consultants working in substantive posts within NHS hospitals after a period of time, the FRCP title can also be awarded to non-uk doctors if they show substantial contribution to their field of expertise.

Hope this clears up some ambiguity.

Well this is a truth and a fact. Whichever industry it is.

The minority is always at a losing edge at the start. We as the rakyat do not stir it up and we live in peace, but u cannot deny the fact that our education system and career progression is also based on not meritocracy

that's why there is no such thing as a poor doctor

doctors are all rich as fuck

and all you peasants kowtow to doctors really damn funny la

you paid thousands, tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands, then pray to them and shits like that... topkek lel

unless they do it for free or for a damn damn damn damn damn fucking low price, then i will kowtow and respect them. other than that, they are just a bloodsucking vampire like any other businessman

the younger doctors are not having it easy, as per any professions. It is much more difficult in the beginning. They have long hours and their pay reflects that, if any.

Actually, Malaysian trained specialist doctors actually have a broader depth of experience with general cases than UK trained ones.

The US is the worse for pure focus training... they only work in their field of expertise don't do general medicine/surgery like the rest of the world.

Still, we give shits to businessman when they charge exorbitant prices, but we don't give shits to doctors that charge exorbitant prices.

Usually people will ask to boycott a certain business, but not to doctors.

What I don't get is the fascination for doctors. What makes them so great? I mean yes, they help to cure patients, they help to patch you up. But in the end, they still make money, unlike voluntary doctors, now those I really do respect them. They give their all without expecting anything in return.

Still, we give shits to businessman when they charge exorbitant prices, but we don't give shits to doctors that charge exorbitant prices.

Usually people will ask to boycott a certain business, but not to doctors.

What I don't get is the fascination for doctors. What makes them so great? I mean yes, they help to cure patients, they help to patch you up. But in the end, they still make money, unlike voluntary doctors, now those I really do respect them. They give their all without expecting anything in return.

YES. Ive only seen one commercial airline Pilot that drives a Myvi. That guy is loaded and has a 1.5M house in Cyberjaya but refuses to buy conti cars like his friends

Pilots have a lot of training requirements too but the pay off is huge. Do your hours, don't duck up, and you can easily earn RM100k a month in your 40s as long as you chose to continue flying (some pilots become lazy and do not fly anymore)

agreed.

pilot is the best job in the world (other than celebrity/sports athlete)

u get high salary, can travel around the world, and only work for like 3 or 4 days per week

agreed.

pilot is the best job in the world (other than celebrity/sports athlete)

u get high salary, can travel around the world, and only work for like 3 or 4 days per week

Unfortunately our /k pilot already rip due to accident.

I wonder if /k got another pilot here.

There are plenty of pilots that found me and sought my services from Lowyat. They would either PM me so I would know their nickname, or they would just drop me a text on Whatsapp and we would discuss there - when asked they would say they found me here. I never pursued for their nicknames here

But just saying that pilots spend time in the forums too, whether or not they would reveal themselves is a whole different story

So /k 20k is true then.

RM20k a month is not that difficult to get, even err.. yours truly but I'm not employed per se (insurance agents and agency are separate entity to the insurance company they represent)

Typically highly technical jobs would pay their specialists well. Other than the obvious medical specialists, it networking specialist are also making more than 20k a month, pilots too as they are responsible to hundred million Ringgit aircrafts, oil and gas specialists of their own fields...

Managers would generally be older before they can earn that kind of money, their influence and experience must be staggering otherwise they can always be replaced by someone younger and cheaper

Lets get back to sales: its like a pyramid, very few earn more than 20k, a good number earn low 5-figures, and the majority can only make do with 4-figures. Sales data also depends on the industry; insurances, banking and real estate make a lot, gym/clubs memberships and car (used and new) do not, at least not as much. Also depends if you are Independent (like me) or attached to the company (like a banker). I would make more than my counterparts that are employed

Seems 20k is a norm then.

Nevermind, i can always go cry in my own tiny rented room.

private start from 10 k . month, if government kapcai alot, from 3k , senior MO (about 3 years to 5 years) gaji also 5k to 7k, this amount stated is after all the incentive and oncall allowance.