specialist earned a lot of money every month
but it takes years of practice to reach that level

Become a Wuhan virus specialist...you will ear BIG BUCKS now....while the trend is hot....

no in this case, GOV also deduct EPF, they can choose EPF or PENSION. mostly will choose EPF for young generation nowadays because they dont want to stay with MOH forever.

This post has been edited by Pain4UrsinZ: Jan 28 2020, 09:57 AM

234k per month

Can. There is training and non training surgical positions internationally and in the UK. The passing rate is higher for trainees in training position that is all.

In Singapore and Hong Kong, system works similar as the UK. You pass MRCS by end of your Core Training equivalent, interview and get into a specialty of your liking, proceed for 4 to 6 years of training dep on specialty (there are 10) then sit for the FRCS exit exam. Upon completion you can earn post nominals FRCS and MSurg Singapore/ FCSHK together (conjoined and pay higher fee)

In UK u get CCST and eligible for consultant post.

In Malaysia, just add on flower to your name, let you walk with air. Things may change soon once KKM finalises the parallel pathways for the FRCS where MOs can sit for it upon fulfilling logbooks and rotations and the requirements / structured training we do not know yet. Currently we only have Urology (Glasgow) and Cardio thoracic(Edinburgh) which are structured programmes.

It is a very tough exam, make no mistake. Not your typical membership exams since the M assess the base knowledge. This require alot of higher thinking. Finishing and passing the exam prepares a person for day 1 consultant job. Examiners look for attributes of candidates that are on par of a consultant that they can work with/assured of if their family members treating. And the International frcs has the SAME standing and reputation as those in UK.

This post has been edited by Jedi: Jan 28 2020, 10:59 AM

But I go search ifrcs one of the criteria is that the candidate must have completed Training position in their home country

I tot FRCS is recognised in Malaysia for registration with NSR?
A lot of old timer with nothing but FRCS and loads of experience.

This post has been edited by arsenwagon: Jan 28 2020, 11:12 AM

Yes in Malaysia need to be at least completed masters programme. (for now)

Not many people do it. In fact can count with fingers. Already got family got kids already pakar, why waste money to do 1 more exam that may even fail or require multiple attempts?

Situation will change once KKM announce the surg parallel pathways in a year or 2.

Refer back my prev post and pgy80 post. Old frcs is the new mrcs.

Last time pass old frcs and train 18 months overseas come back consultant d. Bec last time no structured local masters yet. Can say kesian new doctors need more qualifications now because top echelons hogging the new doctors don't want them graduate fast lol but actual truth also is now got more structured programme and need to ensure safe doctors since medicine changed.



This post has been edited by Jedi: Jan 28 2020, 11:16 AM

They deserve with all those perks and pay... Medical specialist life ain't easier, right from the college day

like all fellowships, you can be nominated to receive it if you've shown significant contributions or academic achievements in your field.

You don't have to be a grad from their country. You can grad in Malaysia and do your training in Malaysia, but if you publish or are an expert in your field, you can be nominated to receive the FRCP/FRCS or whatever the F they want to give you

I think people are confusing a post nominal, MRCP, MRCS etc with NSR / specialist registration.

Once you complete the training in the UK, you are given a CCST - Certificate of completeion of specialist training, then you can be put on their specialist register , and for the college of surgeons they confer the post nominal FRCS(speciality) or MRCP(Speciality)

In Malaysia once you fulfill the training criteria for a subspeciality you will be registered on the NSR for that subspecialty, then you are considered sub trained - Cardiologist , gastroenterologist etc... Having a CCST automatically qualifies you for NSR registration. Or completing a local training program.



The post nominals such as MRCP, MRCS, MRCPsych etc are achieved once you pass the said college exams. They cannot be awarded.

Fellowships can be awarded as for achievement.

Thats why you find some doctors here with locally trained but have FRCP / FRCS

Anyway, I think the whole thread has run off topic..

hope the info helps any budding doctor out there or those thinking about a career in medicine.

Holidays over, no time to reply now.. Take care guys.

I am happy to take PMs if anyone has any burning questions.

Hi Py80. I started the thread but I missed your deleted post. Care to explain what you wrote because you said it drew a lot of flak but I genuinely want to know more about the question I posed so appreciate if you could pm me. Thanks a bunch!

I was of the notion that not all private specialists are earning big bucks due to the competition and the proliferation of private hospitals in Malaysia. It can't be that all doctors in private sector are earning 100-200k right? Otherwise all doctors would be waiting to run away from government! Have you met any specialists or know of anyone who actually makes that amount of money? For me seems to be obscenely paid and I don't want our healthcare market to resemble that of the US.

What do you mean have I met? I just wrote that I am currently servicing her finances, and I get to see her latest 6 months payment voucher

So have I met people like her? Errr.... Yes? I have indeed met her

All surgeons earn that amount?? Then definitely we not going to stop the glut of medical graduates in our country! These figures are based on people you know?

For sure they wont tell you their actual salary lah .

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This post has been edited by Py80: Oct 4 2020, 04:53 PM

Exactly!

cant show u payslip here.

Sorry boss guess I wasn't clear with my statement. Understood on the example of your client, but I was asking have you come across those that are earning on the higher end like some people have highlighted in this thread, which is rm100-200k per month. Sorry for the confusion

Hey man, sorry if came across as questioning the amount these surgeons earn. I started this thread for two reasons, namely for those medical graduates who blindly think they can just leave MOH and move to private to earn big bucks, and also to ensure that our private medical costs don't skyrocket till it becomes untenable, like what is currently happening in the US. As you may know the gov has removed the price ceilings for consultation fees for doctors in private sector, so we are moving towards the Singapore model.

If private doctors are already earning so much now, nothing is going to stop them from charging exorbitant rates and burdening our public hospitals with even more influx of patients. So yes, this issue has many ramifications actually. Malaysians should be more aware because healthcare cannot be run like a traditional business, as it is a basic human right. Thus appreciate if you could reiterate what you have deleted in your earlier post, or if you don't mind you could pm me. My end goal is to educate others about the reality out there. Income is definitely a major trump card so appreciate your insight