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 Ceramic coating vs PPF vs quarterly wax?, cost vs effectiveness vs suitability

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post Jan 20 2020, 10:05 AM

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If got coating, the car cannot be waxed?

I had a coating done 1 year plus ago, now i wax it, i don't see anything abnormal
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post Jan 20 2020, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(Zaire.Ver @ Jan 20 2020, 09:56 AM)
why waste on this so called protection....maybe it's new car excitement syndrome
just abuse ur daily ride...after 2-3 years...get a new paint or wrap.
u get a new car again.
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I completely agree. Used to spend a lot of money with polish etc... Ended up getting my car scratched also (not within my control).

So I rather save up for a fresh new paint in a few years time... at most RM5k to repaint the entire car.
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post Jan 20 2020, 10:08 AM

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it just a car.
it meant to be weared and teared
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post Jan 20 2020, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 19 2020, 12:26 PM)
My pre-registered car is coming soon and I want to protect its paint from the get go. My main objectives for the car:

1. Remain looking looking as beautiful as on display at the dealers
2. To keep the cost below the budget of RM5,000, this can be one-off, or be part of the maintenance payments (for example, wash and wax for RM300 every three-months means the budget can last for four years)
3. To have manageable maintenance schedule and I would rather pay someone to do it than having to do it myself. The cost for maintenance should be chalked into the budget above. I do not have too much time on my hands, I haven't washed my own cars for at least a decade

With these options that I have, which would best suit my criteria above?:

1. applying a ceramic coating
2. installing PPF
3. applying quarterly polish/wax

I understand that it may not be possible to keep my car just as beautiful when it was new, but it is not wrong to try. Look at the car below on display, which is NOT my car, but I love how beautiful the paint shines

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Bases on my experience

1. Go with a 6 month Polish job and wax monthly, you can buy this package from a car detailer near you
2. Ceramic, Glass or Nano coat works but if not take care also no use, and the process of taking care of it is harder than you think, cannot send to those bangla car wash as they use those chemical soap that can degrade those coating.... need to send to those good car wash....

If you stay at condo, invest in a good covered car park, if you work, rent a covered car park. getting a covered car park beats all this coating and will actually protect the car better.

Wash every week, yes every week. my old car wash every 3 days and after 5 years like brand new....
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post Jan 20 2020, 10:14 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 19 2020, 12:26 PM)
My pre-registered car is coming soon and I want to protect its paint from the get go. My main objectives for the car:

1. Remain looking looking as beautiful as on display at the dealers
2. To keep the cost below the budget of RM5,000, this can be one-off, or be part of the maintenance payments (for example, wash and wax for RM300 every three-months means the budget can last for four years)
3. To have manageable maintenance schedule and I would rather pay someone to do it than having to do it myself. The cost for maintenance should be chalked into the budget above. I do not have too much time on my hands, I haven't washed my own cars for at least a decade

With these options that I have, which would best suit my criteria above?:

1. applying a ceramic coating
2. installing PPF
3. applying quarterly polish/wax

I understand that it may not be possible to keep my car just as beautiful when it was new, but it is not wrong to try. Look at the car below on display, which is NOT my car, but I love how beautiful the paint shines

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Is this the story of boss announce business not good no bonus this year but the next day drive a new e class to company? Lol
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post Jan 20 2020, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(Elgore @ Jan 20 2020, 09:48 AM)
forget it

some itchy hands gonna want to decorate your nice car when they see it in the parking lot
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Maybe, but if I have that kind of mindset I should not be buying the car in the firs tplace


QUOTE(ayamback @ Jan 20 2020, 10:05 AM)
I completely agree. Used to spend a lot of money with polish etc... Ended up getting my car scratched also (not within my control).

So I rather save up for a fresh new paint in a few years time... at most RM5k to repaint the entire car.
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Perhaps a wax job every quarter shouldn't be too much for me. And it is unlikely that I will keep this car beyond its warranty

QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Jan 20 2020, 10:12 AM)

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yeah I am leaning toward that. Waxing instead of coating. Not sure about the PPF though, seems pricey for what it is

QUOTE(novblaze @ Jan 20 2020, 10:14 AM)
Is this the story of boss announce business not good no bonus this year but the next day drive a new e class to company? Lol
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nah, Ive always been upfront with my staff. business has bee OK so far. The car is just something i have always wanted, so it doesn't hurt to get a 330i at the age of 33 and 10 months. Can you see the pattern?
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post Jan 20 2020, 10:37 AM

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I dont use PPF cause it will become yellow and stick to car paint.... hard to remove likely your paint goes with it
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my nihon wash wax sometime polish. it give great satisfaction watching she got clean and gosok all over coz easily get dirty dusty. rainy season housing hilly windy area. dont ask.

my conti coat. maintain layers every 2 months. everytime also shiny. hard to get dirty. infact sometime i skip maintenance. just normal no soap wash.

you like take ur car for a wash? polish wax
you no time always want car shiny? coat

havent try ppf maybe for future ride


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post Jan 20 2020, 10:51 AM

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Will your car be parked outdoor or in a covered carpark?

Generally I think it's better to wash the car regularly and polish the car once a year, but you need to be sure those guys know what they are doing. I feel there's too many shops nowadays offering waxing and polishing services but don't really do it properly.

I wouldn't go for coating as I feel con outweigh the pro. No idea about PPF though.

2 things to add : one, you need to be prepared to deal with emergency bird poop on your car. Never let them sit and dry on your car for too long, immediately clean them off or they might etch into your paint. Worse bird poop got seeds in it and if you wipe it, the seed will get drag and scratch up your car.

Second thing is rock chips. While I understand European car paint is harder.. Thus possibly lessen the chance of rock chips occurring, for me I would still deal with rock chips fast (with touch up paint) because I am paranoid of possibility of rust caused by rock chips unattended for long time (when the bare metal is exposed to the elements).
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Chipping in my 2 cents. I prefer to go for quarter wax and polish. PPF does help in stone chipping especially when driving high speed on highway but the cost of doing PPF can go for repaint already in the next 3-5 years. Ceramic coating or any kind of coating is a waste of money IMO and no offense. You still need to wash your car and it doesn't fend off watermarks completely. Also it cost a lot which almost like going for polish and wax quarterly.

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post Jan 20 2020, 10:56 AM

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quarterly wax , yearly polish.

You can't polish too often.
A sacrificial barrier like wax is better than one expensive ceramic coating


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post Jan 20 2020, 11:12 AM

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QUOTE(Revamperz @ Jan 20 2020, 10:46 AM)
my nihon wash wax sometime polish. it give great satisfaction watching she got clean and gosok all over coz easily get dirty dusty. rainy season housing hilly windy area. dont ask.

my conti coat. maintain layers every 2 months. everytime also shiny. hard to get dirty. infact sometime i skip maintenance. just normal no soap wash.

you like take ur car for a wash? polish wax
you no time always want car shiny? coat

havent try ppf maybe for future ride
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I do not mind sending the car for wash; especially if I do not have to do it myself. can clean the car too at the same time

I guess the coat is just not for me, not for this ride at least

QUOTE(V429 @ Jan 20 2020, 10:51 AM)
Will your car be parked outdoor or in a covered carpark?

Generally I think it's better to wash the car regularly and polish the car once a year, but you need to be sure those guys know what they are doing. I feel there's too many shops nowadays offering waxing and polishing services but don't really do it properly.

I wouldn't go for coating as I feel con outweigh the pro. No idea about PPF though.

2 things to add : one, you need to be prepared to deal with emergency bird poop on your car. Never let them sit and dry on your car for too long, immediately clean them off or they might etch into your paint. Worse bird poop got seeds in it and if you wipe it, the seed will get drag and scratch up your car.

Second thing is rock chips. While I understand European car paint is harder.. Thus possibly lessen the chance of rock chips occurring, for me I would still deal with rock chips fast (with touch up paint) because I am paranoid of possibility of rust caused by rock chips unattended for long time (when the bare metal is exposed to the elements).
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Covered car park most of the time, even when doing sales calls I would find a covered car park.

yeah for now I think I would rather pay someone to wash, polish, and wax as I go along compared to getting a coating and having to maintain it at the dealers/shops.
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post Jan 20 2020, 11:15 AM

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Car is car and car will break down
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post Jan 20 2020, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(Miracles @ Jan 20 2020, 11:15 AM)
Car is car and car will break down
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doesnt mean you should not care for it laugh.gif
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 20 2020, 11:12 AM)
yeah for now I think I would rather pay someone to wash, polish, and wax as I go along compared to getting a coating and having to maintain it at the dealers/shops.
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Also, while I never tried them out before, but maybe you can consider engaging the services of mobile detailers (they come to your house), might be more convenient for you. Just one more option for you to chose from.
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Just wash weekly and wax quarterly. It is sufficient. Cost wise RM600-800 per year

PPF and Coating will not save the paint from stone chips or scratches.
Cost wise RM3k per coating that lasts for 3 years, but requires maintenance.

With RM3-4k, you could probably get a new fresh paint after 5 years.
And in the event of minor crashes, the coat and PPF will be gone.

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post Jan 20 2020, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(V429 @ Jan 20 2020, 11:25 AM)
Also, while I never tried them out before, but maybe you can consider engaging the services of mobile detailers (they come to your house), might be more convenient for you. Just one more option for you to chose from.
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thanks for the suggestion. but this would be more expensive and I live in a condo (for now), there is a detailing shop at the basement of the mall

QUOTE(shakku @ Jan 20 2020, 11:35 AM)
Just wash weekly and wax quarterly. It is sufficient. Cost wise RM600-800 per year

PPF and Coating will not save the paint from stone chips or scratches.
Cost wise RM3k per coating that lasts for 3 years, but requires maintenance.

With RM3-4k, you could probably get a new fresh paint after 5 years.
And in the event of minor crashes, the coat and PPF will be gone.
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800 a year is very reasonable; at least this is a cost that I can control, instead of paying upfront to a shot and maintaining the coat which is done by the shop based on their warranty and promises. I agree with the paint after a few years, or I could just off load the car when it is out of warranty and free services in 4 years
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post Jan 20 2020, 11:42 AM

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i would definitely go for PPF ( the front end only) , coating /ceramic coating wont last long especially under msai weather, it went off 1-2 years
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jan 20 2020, 11:39 AM)
800 a year is very reasonable; at least this is a cost that I can control, instead of paying upfront to a shot and maintaining the coat which is done by the shop based on their warranty and promises. I agree with the paint after a few years, or I could just off load the car when it is out of warranty and free services in 4 years
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Yup. The coating is more like signing a deal or membership at that specific detailer. You're under contract if you need to maintain the coat.

For wash and wax, some shops do have memberships but the cost breakeven point is usually not much different than walk in. It's worth it if you plan to send the car wax monthly. For polish, do it once every 2 years based on the paint condition. Only when there's too much swirl and micro scratches can see by naked eye. If you do polish every 3 months, your paint will get thinner and thinner and you'll see the base metal soon. A colleague of mine did that to her City. In 3 years, the A pillars paint are gone and faded off.

Polish = Sanding. If you sand a block of wood daily, eventually the wood will turn to dust biggrin.gif

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