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 testing BAHASA MALAYSIA to "Malaysian"

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bigwolf
post Jan 20 2020, 08:30 AM

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QUOTE(Twenty-Fifth Baam @ Jan 20 2020, 04:42 AM)
i can speak proper malay, but not super fluent like reporters or newscasters.

i can write proper malay sentences, but of course no longer as good as when i was in school, i was from SK.

but in the end, still being called pendatang and get treated as 2nd class citizen. so... yea, just because you can speak it, it doesn't mean anything sad.gif

look at indonesia, the chinese there can speak indon so damn bloody well, but 1998 still happened :/
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These "ultra patriots" will never acknowledge that. They will always think everybody must go to 1 school, and speak 1 language, and somehow, magically, we will achieve unity. Its never racism or socio economic inequality or tuan rumah/pendatang mindset to them doh.gif
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post Jan 20 2020, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(Perfect.Stranger @ Jan 20 2020, 11:07 AM)
Problem racism because malaysian races don’t assimilate with each other by the system british created.

Imagine topic like this, fight like no end..
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Definitely it wont go away when we look at integration and assimilation as only 1 way street.

A: you must learn national language

B: ofc, but what about you also learning other languages to communicate with others who are weak in national language?

A: no cannot, they must learn national language to communicate with me. It's never me to talk to them in their language, everybody must talk in national language!

B: eh but malaysia is a multiracial multicultural multireligious nation? What's wrong with learning other languages beside national language?

A: no no no, THEY must learn, not ME! Must talk in national language, otherwise you are not patriotic and refuse to integrate

B: ok, what about those who are already proficient in national language? Why still call them to balik negara asal?

A: because they still refuse to integrate. We must abolish vernacular schools and mix all students together, then only we can achieve unity

B: but eating in toilet during puasa, or separate utensils for muslim students and nons?

A: no no no, we must abolish vernacular schools and mix all students together, then only we can achieve unity

B: unity issues not because of racism, socio economic inequality, tuan rumah/pendatang mindset?

A: no no no, all salah vernacular schools

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post Jan 20 2020, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 20 2020, 11:12 AM)
Only in KL/Selangor & Penang. In states like Kelantan, Kedah, Perak, Terengganu & Pahang, people do mixed among races, because most of them communicate in a language that everyone can understand.
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you mean communicate in regional dialect, like bahasa kelate in kelantan?
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post Jan 20 2020, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 20 2020, 12:18 PM)
Yes. Everyone can speak in same dialect regardless of race.
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Sigh... when I talk about basically the same thing about chinese/tamil languages, this is what I get: ego, arrogant, stubborn, plotek, and go back to their british masters.

Yet when it comes to regional dialect like Kelantan, Kedah, Perak, Terengganu & Pahang, SUDDENLY IT'S FINE, everyone can speak in same dialect regardless of race. No mention of everyone must speak national language pulak?????

Everyone also can speak chinese language regardless of race, no? But then you go all over the place:
QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 20 2020, 01:53 PM)
Which Chinese language? Hokkien? Cantonese? Hakka? Foochow?

What about Punjabi? Malayalam? Indigenous language in Sabah Sarawak? Bahasa Klate?
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Eh hallo, look at the area la, if majority there talks hokkien then whats wrong with learning some hokkien? If majority there talks mandarin then whats wrong with learning some mandarin? Its the same thing la. Takkan la u nak belajar & cakap bahasa kelate kat Kedah? doh.gif

Unity my ass. Common language my ass. We are so fucking proud the chinese in kelantan can speak bahasa kelate flawlessly, or bahasa melayu sarawak in sarawak, etc, yet so damn offended about talking to the chinese in their own language. Integration is just 1 way street to you


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post Jan 20 2020, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 20 2020, 02:08 PM)
Who? I only see some idiot rejecting the national language on the ground that mamy malays dont care to learn about some vernacular languages. It is as it should be some requirement for some of them to even learn how to speak the national language.
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QUOTE(bigwolf @ Jan 19 2020, 09:46 PM)
And you still don't understand what I'm saying here.

It is important to know the national language. I do not deny that. Heck, we should be proud of our own national language. Make no mistake about that.

Problem now is, how the heck did this "you dunno national language means you are not patriotic and dun deserve to be called malaysian" started?


Hence my question back to them, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?

Also my next question back to them - living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation like Malaysia - what other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours?
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So who's the idiot here?

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