Malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like tongsan nihonjin britain or france.

Also, throw it back at those papagomo's - What other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours?

Fair enough, I also find it pelik why some ppl are proud of the fact they don't want to learn nor understand bm. But its their choice. Doesn't impact me whatsoever in any ways if they dunno bm as long as they are decent human beings. Problem now is, how the heck did this "you dunno national language means you are not patriotic and dun deserve to be called malaysian" started?

Hence my question back to them, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?

Also my next question back to them - living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation like Malaysia - what other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours?

Like I said, Malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like tongsan nihonjin britain or france.

But ahaaa finally its clear... so its not about multiracial multicultural multireligious. Its about minority has to confirm to the majority. Ok got it, noted

This post has been edited by bigwolf: Jan 19 2020, 07:53 PM

No, I'm just pointing out the stupidity of such "if you don't know bm means you are not patriotic and don't deserve to be called malaysian" mindset.

Sure, I also expect all malaysians to be able to communicate in bahasa kebangsaan. But if they don't, I also wont call them non patriotic and don't deserve to be called malaysians.

Fair enough, you have your viewpoint, I have mine. Agree to disagree

I'm not the one jumping at others they are unpatriotic or not deserve to be Malaysians if they don't know BM, so why am I being questioned? You should ask those who demands others to learn their language yet made no effort to learn other languages themselves while hiding behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label.

Anyways, if you really want to know:
I also did say I didn't had the opportunity to learn tamil

You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you use the label "kebangsaan"/"national" as though only 1 language can be allowed to be used here in Malaysia.

Not pusing, just telling off the hypocrisy of some ppl who hides behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label. Living in multiracial multicultural multireligious Malaysia konon but only want to demand 1 way street and hiding behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label.

And you still don't understand what I'm saying here.

It is important to know the national language. I do not deny that. Heck, we should be proud of our own national language. Make no mistake about that.

Problem now is, how the heck did this "you dunno national language means you are not patriotic and dun deserve to be called malaysian" started?

Hence my question back to them, who is more Malaysian- A person who doesn't speak bm but put in honest work and pays his taxes and lived honestly compared to another whose bm so power until can bersajak berpuisi but steals, robs, kill and cheat? Who is more deserving to be called Malaysian here?

Also my next question back to them - living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation like Malaysia - what other languages have YOU learned beside hiding behind the label "kebangsaan"/"national"? And you call yourself Malaysian, living in a multicultural multiracial multireligious society? You expect others to know and learn your language to be able to communicate with you. But you do not want to learn and know their language to communicate with them if they don't know yours. And rather than acknowledging that, you hide behind the label "kebangsaan"/"National" as an excuse not to learn other languages to be able to communicate with the other party if he don't know yours?

Malaysia is a multicultural multiracial multireligious nation. It is not monoracial monocultural like tongsan nihonjin britain or france. Deal with it. Tak suka sila keluar balik Indonesia

Ya we don't understand each other. So why don't you learn bahasa cina or tamil to communicate with them? Oh no cannot. Must use the label "kebangsaan"/"national" so you don't need to learn, only the other side must learn?

I've already said

didn't I?

And what is your point in questioning me here? I'm not those hypocrites who hides behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label. Living in multiracial multicultural multireligious Malaysia konon but only want to demand 1 way street, refusing to learn themselves and hiding behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label. At least I learned bahasa and can communicate with malays in bahasa. Why can't those who knows bahasa kebangsaan as their mother tongue learn chinese to communicate with their brethrens who don't know bm?

This post has been edited by bigwolf: Jan 19 2020, 10:11 PM

Pendek kata
duduk Malaysia tapi tak nak belajar bahasa lain. Yg bukan melayu kena tau bahasa melayu tapi melayu tak payah belajar bahasa lain. Pakai je label "kebangsaan" cukup, depa kena belajar, ko takyah, win liao.

This post has been edited by bigwolf: Jan 19 2020, 10:11 PM

This post has been edited by bigwolf: Jan 19 2020, 10:09 PM

Yes, it is important to know the national language. I do not deny that. Heck, we should be proud of our own national language. Make no mistake about that.

Sure, I also expect all malaysians to be able to communicate in bahasa kebangsaan. But if they don't, I also wont call them non patriotic and don't deserve to be called malaysians.

And for those who called others who don't know bahasa kebangsaan, have they learned chinese/tamil to communicate with them instead? Or no, use the "kebangsaan"/"national" label so die die they don't have to learn but the other side must?

This post has been edited by bigwolf: Jan 19 2020, 10:18 PM

Why? Can't accept the truth? Duduk Malaysia tapi tak nak belajar bahasa lain. Yg bukan melayu kena tau bahasa melayu tapi melayu tak payah belajar bahasa lain. Pakai je label "kebangsaan" cukup, depa kena belajar, ko takyah, win liao izzit?

You're missing the point. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of those who called others who don't know bahasa kebangsaan, but they themselves refused to learned other languages to communicate with them instead, and hide behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label.

Bro, aku setuju. Memang bagus kalau semua rakyat tau bahasa kebangsaan. Tapi kita adalah negara demokrasi, bukannya komunis. Memanglah bagus kalau semua tau bahasa kebangsaan tapi janganlah terlalu mengagungkannya sampai kutuk org yg tak tahu bahasa kebangsaan panggil mereka balik negara asal.

Kepada mereka yang berbuat demikian, aku pun tanya balik, kenapa anda tidak belajar bahasa mereka untuk berkomunikasi dengan dia kalau dia tak reti bahasa kebangsaan? Apakah yang bukan melayu kena belajar bahasa kebangsaan tapi melayu tak payah belajar bahasa lain? Pakai je label "kebangsaan" cukup, mati mati depa kena belajar, ko takyah? Malaysia bukan negara berbliang kaum, budaya dan agama ke?

This post has been edited by bigwolf: Jan 19 2020, 11:57 PM

as per my reply above

Tapi Malaysia =/= satu komuniti. Ada berbilang2 komuniti. Kan aku dah cakap tadi, memanglah bagus kalau semua tau bahasa kebangsaan tapi janganlah terlalu mengagungkannya sampai kutuk org yg tak tahu bahasa kebangsaan panggil mereka balik negara asal.

Dan macam mana pihak yg tak belajar bahasa kebangsaan boleh memecah belahkan komuniti? Sejak bila ada pikiran bodo macam ni? Apakah kamu tak faham bahasa mereka akan dipukul? Bahasa Inggeris tak boleh pakai ke? Masa atuk nenek aku 40-50 tahun lalu lagi teruk, india cakap tamil je, cina cakap cina dan melayu ikut loghat negeri masing2. Semua ok je, tak nampak pun negara musnah?

Bukannya nak kamu belajar kesemua bahasa dan loghat di Malaysia. Kawan aku dari Ipoh hanya tau cantonese, haprak sepatah hokkien pun tak reti masa dia pergi kerja kat penang. 3 tahun kemudian dia pun fasih hokkien, takde pun dia mendesak orang lain cakap cantonese kat dia di penang. Sama lah, selama ni dia belajar bahasa kebangsaan so secara otomatik dia tau bertutur bahasa melayu dengan orang melayu sebab dia tahu mereka tak faham hokkien. Tapi bukan semua lah, ada juga melayu yang fasih hokkien kat sana. Kelakar jugak kalau dia bergaduh hokkien dengan mamat melayu.

Maksud aku selama ni, katalah kalau kamu tinggal di KL, apa salahnya belajar bahasa cantonese atau mandarin untuk bertutur dengan cina yg tak tau bahasa kebangsaan? Atau belajar hokkien kalau di penang. Atau bahasa kelate kalau di kelantan; atau pun melayu sarawak, kalau di sarawak. Memang betul, kalau mereka tau tahu bahasa kebangsaan, its their loss. Bahasa kebangsaan memanglah penting, tapi janganlah terlalu taksub sampai sendiri langsung tak nak belajar sepatah pun bahasa lain atas nama "patriotik"

This post has been edited by bigwolf: Jan 20 2020, 12:51 AM

Too bad, 18 pages on everybody still wants to insist to hide behind the "kebangsaan"/"national" label and refused to learn anything else. And when ppl tried to explain, you call them ego, arrogant, plotek, and go back to their british masters.

Kinda wonders if these people who refuse to integrate comes from sjkc. They say sjkc ppl don't integrate rite?

And its also ironic to believe language is foundation to patriotism, when most of the rnr slurs, insults & instigations are in national language.