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True. Many fishy IPTS degree mills. Should be closed.

Yes, this abolishment would make some sense

Hehehehe hahahaha

poor gullible rural students targeted scammed into PTPTN loans by ipts especially during SPM career seminar talks...

Speaker setuju also. Small college should be gabung terus to become bigger college or maybe upgrade into university college but look at their quality and capacity first. Closing small bogus college should be the priority.

This post has been edited by fazlythewarrior: Jan 15 2020, 09:23 AM

Yes. Less fashion show and awang itam mabuk.

iinm there are over 500++ IPTS uni colleges for 30 mil population country

target: Billions of PTPTN loans, hundreds thousands SPM students EACH YEAR !! lolz

Only if IPTA is purely on merit.

This I agree. I've actually met "graduates" from this fishy IPTS, most of them regret like hell.

I'm from IPTA and I didn't get the job I studied for too.

One more IPTA need to closs.
/K's favorite IPTA

Very simple n effective solution: Impose minimum STPM qualification to apply PTPTN loan

Slowly those corrupt IPTS either closed down itself or forced to merge others due to limited students each year

Perfect Vaccine for education influenza virus

Parent should do more research lah...

Scammer is in every industry...

I came from a shit IPTS as well but i took computer science which wasa highly sought after cert back then and even more nowadays...

If u came from UM with a degree in shit....just because u graduate from UM, u cant do shit either...

Agree. And perhaps MQA and JPT should be given kuasa untuk penguatkuasaan to check whether all their course accredited or not on time. Most popular college will do this every year even before MQA come to visit to check.

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True, my friend graduated from UM with a shit course, it was so shit that only 2-3 people ended up with related industry lol... Who wants graduates that only know CAD/CAM lol!

here we go again...

cukurlah rakyat malaysia semua highly educated

1999 gave advice to young mother asking about Kolej lagenda (?) langkawi offer to her son. that time 3000 for 1 sem i think and got loan ptptn maybe la.

i said tak payah la kak because i have doubt about their diploma at that time regarding to MQA la. that time no internet hujung jari to google.

i hope i gave the right advice at that time la.

no need real cert also can be minister, so seems legit

Yes agreed! The same goes with those fishy private college, and even those established one should be scrutinized as well. It is not longer an education, it's just a money grab scam.

My relative graduated from that college. After graduate got job in tiger bank, IT department. Now already senior position, more than 12 years there.

People forget.....

The "liberalisation" of education started in the late 80s....

The NEP policies and quota system was in full force....depriving many qualified nons of education.....as a blow valve, private higher education, then tightly controlled and poorly viewed, was liberalised, and the private sector encouraged to set up colleges....later granted rights to award degrees (university college status) and higher degrees (full uni status)....

To help finance this, ptptn system was set up.....instead of public funding, the then gov pushed the responsibility to the student....

In other words ipts was allowed to exist so ipta can be "controlled" to comply with NEP policies....

Along the way, things started to go wrong....ptptn is easily scammed to extract money from public (it's tax payer funds) leaving the debt with students....

Controls of quality by MoE is poor....the new mqe wasn't effective....

Two human activities should not be privatised.... education and health.....once you leave it to market forces, skews starts to develop.....

And here we are....lol

fire few people last year all from ipta, how?

dato boy iman
educated rupanya

During college, they didn't feel how big RM60,000 fees is because to optimistic...

Wait until finish college, when end up with RM1500 salary.. bring home RM1300 after epf..

ptptn is the fuel to low class education

Fired few only; Not whole bunch

Reason for fired?

then how now?

mana bole tutup. nanti kroni nak cari makan macam mana?

Impose minimum STPM qualification to apply PTPTN loan (as limit, filter students intake system)

next day slowly the cancer will cure itself

Many claim to have uk, aus, us, blabla twin program or affiliated but never heard of those also, don't know how true is the claim also.

kenot; Mother Father want son dotter getting their doctoratet

die you babi kroni.

ipts buyer beware,

If got the word “international” in the name i would be very suspicious already

rude, skip work, low work quality and some immoral behavior in office . After fired them, no more itpa graduate in my office liao. Only Ipts and oversea graduates

Most people do not understand that KPT, MQA and IPTA is the problem.

1. Money
KPT gets RM50b ++ out of RM250b budget annually. This is tax payers money. Where did it go? It went to fund IPTA. University like UiTM gets 2b, UM gets another 2b. But in return their KPI is to produce PHD students etcs. So they fake pass them lor. That's why cannot get job and they end up as public servants or grab drivers. Tax payer again pay for their salary. But they come disturb your business 99.

In comparison, PTPTN is in deficit of 2b over 20 years. But that's because PTPTN borrowed at 4% and lend out at 1%. So IPTS at fault?

2. KPT and MQA

The reason IPTS quality has dropped is because MQA is just a piece of work. KPT should shut down MQA. IPTS has been paying MQA salary yet they come up with half brain or no brain regulations. 15 to 20% of the course we study is MPU subject. Does that help employability? Also MQA sets program standard. You know la MQA hires highly qualified UM PhD type.

Long story short - close down MQA and stop funding IPTA.

Kolej lagenda that time gooding girls.... 😍😍😍😍

elaborate further with examples and IPTA names

Setuju this. Those African come here in droves studying diploma in management at some obscure private U at the age of 40s... Bang local amoi, give birth to curly white slit eye baby without marriage cert... True story.

the day twitter and FB is banned in msia, is the day we can get away from all this nonsense.

The ptptn was set up as a corporate body, and have no power to enforce quality....

The powers rests with MoE (student and university quality) and MQE (course quality)....both failing in their jobs....

MoE lost moral ability to enforce quality when ipta is allowed to sacrifice quality for ketuanan policy....mqe is toothless in enforcement....

Lim Cock Swing

Moe cannot enforce. They come from same ipta.

i tot IPTS like MMU, Uniten, Uni Telekom etc requires min SPM upper class or dunno how many minimun As

some more these unis are using english as teaching medium

Reason to put minimum STPM is to limit future PTPTN loan applicants

What?
Got pipu point a gun at ur head force u take the rare subject at IPTS?

The ones u mentioned are established.

U know there are degree mills college like Geomatika, Alpha kolej, etc... those very dubious ipts. There are a lot more.

if i not mistaken there are some from the u the malaysia famous pedo study

Cukur 10-20 years down the range, average D and bewbs size of Malaysians increase by >20%.

A minority of students have stpm now....the bulk of bumis have matrik, or the preferred asasi....

Those nons with money avoid stpm and go do international pre-u like a levels ausmat etc....or some "foundation".....

Utp, unisel kek

depends from where he want to start the changes. either from bottom to top or top to bottom.

each has their pros and cons. you want changes according to your suit, go become MP & then edu minister.

ok include stpm/matriks/asasi/a-level as minimum apply ptptn loans

even total number students would be far less than current one that include anyone with spm

this way ptptn annual funding can be reduced drastically / cut costs

Ipts and private college uni same...
Di Mana Ada demand disitu Ada college uni...

But when come out...what u learn is out of date and not the skills that the company want. Demand for market need is totally opposite compared to demand for college.
Hence jobless everywhere

this! I don't understand someone's picking on IPTA, saying that they're bad. you have to look at the curriculum. most subjects are theory..hence lacking hands-on skills, as well as industry-related theoretical knowledge.
e.g Biotechnology students aren't taught on pharmaceutical/manufacturing-related knowledge. lepas tu apply jawatan QA/QC.

The problem isn't the colleges per se, but the demand, expectation of everybody that they CAN and DESERVE a degree....

Only the top 25-30% of the population have the intellect to successfully pursue a full standard academic degree....the next 40% is able to undergo a skill based technical training....and the rest do the routine works like clerical, sales, assembly line etc ....

In recognition of such population distribution, countries like Germany provide training accordingly to the appropriate sections of the population....more people in technical post-secondary education than in academic.....

Msia is grossly distorted because of the unique policies in place....

Ketuanan policies pushed many under qualified students into academic studies....

The buy-with-money private system allows anyone with money to buy any qualification irrespective of qualification or ability...(and because of this demand without any controls, effy ipts flourished).....

The end result is many people who shouldn't even be in academic studies, graduate with a piece of paper....

But they really don't have the intellectual ability to perform the job that the piece of paper claims....hence we have the current situation..... unemployable graduates, grads not working in fields they are trained in...etc....

That that happens when you commoditify education....