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TSlagista
post Oct 22 2019, 01:06 PM, updated 7y ago

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Fixing Unemployment Supply & Demand... but it must begin with demand first

Demand
- HR Ministry collect data of jobs available (current n future) from public/private employers
- compulsory for all employers sent data to HR ministry (how many retired, new recruitments, etc)
- analysis of job mismatch
- data sent to Education ministry

Supply
- Education ministry limit intake of courses based on jobs demand input
- Priority to critical, high-demand, technical tvet jobs
- Impose quota students intake to all public/private uni colleges to prevent oversupply
- PTPTN also reduce cost as less students apply for useless unrelated mismatched degrees
- those exceed limit revoke their college operating license

Simple n effective solution! icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Nov 20 2019, 08:56 AM

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Finally someone share similar idea as mine... red1982 smile.gif

Senarai pekerjaan ‘tiada masa depan’
20 Nov 2019
https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/4867298

https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...dar-ke-sekolah/

PUTRAJAYA: Sekolah akan dibekalkan dengan senarai pekerjaan yang dikategorikan berisiko pada masa depan sebagai rujukan pelajar untuk memilih jurusan di institusi pendidikan tinggi, kata Menteri Sumber Manusia M Kula Segaran.

Beliau berkata ia akan membantu pelajar mengelak memilih bidang pengajian yang tidak mempunyai masa depan atau sedia berdepan risiko tidak memiliki pekerjaan selepas menamatkan pengajian.

“Saya telah bercakap dengan lebih 400 guru dan majoriti mereka keliru tentang realiti semasa berkenaan bidang pekerjaan yang mungkin tidak lagi relevan atau wujud dalam tempoh tiga atau lima tahun akan datang.

“Sebab itu kementerian bersedia dengan senarai pekerjaan yang dikategorikan kritikal pada masa depan untuk diedarkan kepada semua sekolah selewat-lewatnya akhir Disember ini,” katanya kepada pemberita selepas Majlis Anugerah Tangan Emas Perdana Menteri 2019, semalam.
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QUOTE(lagista @ Oct 22 2019, 01:06 PM)
Fixing Unemployment Supply & Demand... but it must begin with demand first

Demand
- HR Ministry collect data of jobs available (current n future) from public/private employers
- compulsory for all employers sent data to HR ministry (how many retired, new recruitments, etc)
- analysis of job mismatch
- data sent to Education ministry

Supply
- Education ministry limit intake of courses based on jobs demand input
- Priority to critical, high-demand, technical tvet jobs
- Impose quota students intake to all public/private uni colleges to prevent oversupply
- PTPTN also reduce cost as less students apply for useless unrelated mismatched degrees
- those exceed limit revoke their college operating license

Simple n effective solution!  icon_rolleyes.gif

inb4 encik ohman sindir bancuh kopi gaji rm3k
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Bro u need a good mechanism to predict labour requirements 5-10 years in the future. It’s not that easy.
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post Nov 20 2019, 08:59 AM

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yes, technology prediction is not easy,

if somebody can do this he also can predict stock market and be very-very rich now.
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post Nov 20 2019, 09:03 AM

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QUOTE(biggie @ Nov 20 2019, 08:59 AM)
yes, technology prediction is not easy,

if somebody can do this he also can predict stock market and be very-very rich now.
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yep, as it is now, PH macai always says some dumbshit every now and then biggrin.gif
TSlagista
post Nov 20 2019, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(chickenshit36 @ Nov 20 2019, 08:57 AM)
Bro u need a good mechanism to predict labour requirements 5-10 years in the future. It’s not that easy.
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Yes not easy but other aspect of saving student from making mistakes choosing wrong choice n ends up raking huge PTPTN loan debts is equally important also
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post Nov 20 2019, 09:06 AM

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Need to reduce intakes for all courses actually. Many jobs went to india, phillipines and vietnam already
TSlagista
post Nov 20 2019, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 20 2019, 09:03 AM)
yep, as it is now, PH macai always says some dumbshit every now and then biggrin.gif
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Preventive measure aint a dumbshit idea, but if u got better idea then share it here also smile.gif
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post Nov 20 2019, 09:07 AM

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QUOTE(lagista @ Nov 20 2019, 09:07 AM)
Preventive measure aint a dumbshit idea, but if u got better idea then share it here also  smile.gif
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let market forces decide, don't let govt decide like a commie smile.gif
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post Nov 20 2019, 09:08 AM

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QUOTE(lagista @ Oct 22 2019, 01:06 PM)
Fixing Unemployment Supply & Demand... but it must begin with demand first

Demand
- HR Ministry collect data of jobs available (current n future) from public/private employers
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you'll be surprised that a majority of public/private employers will just simply give bogus data
without their own actual planning..

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TSlagista
post Nov 20 2019, 09:16 AM

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Nov 20 2019, 09:07 AM)
let market forces decide, don't let govt decide like a commie smile.gif
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So u just wait until 1-2 million graduates still jobless n wondering why is this happening
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post Nov 20 2019, 09:17 AM

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QUOTE(pokchik @ Nov 20 2019, 09:08 AM)
you'll be surprised that a majority of public/private employers will just simply give bogus data
without their own actual planning..

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Can get data from EPF as cross-reference
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post Nov 20 2019, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(lagista @ Nov 20 2019, 09:16 AM)
So u just wait until 1-2 million graduates still jobless n wondering why is this happening
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because of the incompetent PH govt not creating jobs by allowing FDI into the country smile.gif

Scaling down the public transport expansion, that's also sure to reduce jobs.

Piss off india, palm oil sector shrink, another bout of job reduction.

PH govt doing everything in their utmost to make jobless graduates biggrin.gif
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post Nov 20 2019, 09:20 AM

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QUOTE(lagista @ Nov 20 2019, 09:17 AM)
Can get data from EPF as cross-reference
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EPF has a database of future employment areas?
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post Nov 20 2019, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(lagista @ Oct 22 2019, 01:06 PM)
Fixing Unemployment Supply & Demand... but it must begin with demand first

Demand
- HR Ministry collect data of jobs available (current n future) from public/private employers
- compulsory for all employers sent data to HR ministry (how many retired, new recruitments, etc)
- analysis of job mismatch
- data sent to Education ministry

Supply
- Education ministry limit intake of courses based on jobs demand input
- Priority to critical, high-demand, technical tvet jobs
- Impose quota students intake to all public/private uni colleges to prevent oversupply
- PTPTN also reduce cost as less students apply for useless unrelated mismatched degrees
- those exceed limit revoke their college operating license

Simple n effective solution!  icon_rolleyes.gif

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Bro, this is a very good idea.

With AI technology now, pretty sure it's doable. The education sector needs to synergise with job market now so can reduce this mismatch.

I've always thought the country needs 1 super database of every citizen, managed by JPN let's say. Different govt agency got different access depending on what's relevant to them eg Polis may wanna know saman history, JPJ wanna know cars under person's name, etc, but it is all connected.

Right now it isn't as connected, deswai dead people also can still be eligible to vote. It should've been automatic, when someone died, when the family report to JPN or state jabatan agama, the database updated, SPR would've known and no need to keep those names around to be abused as phantom voter.

So MoHR and MoE can share info, with AI can project trend, etc so on as you suggest.
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post Nov 20 2019, 10:48 AM

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this is a good suggestion indeed...

but i wonder even this ever get done

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post Nov 20 2019, 10:49 AM

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post Nov 20 2019, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(pokchik @ Nov 20 2019, 09:20 AM)
EPF has a database of future employment areas?
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i mean its data for those retired or migrated off
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post Nov 20 2019, 10:51 AM

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Its a bit hard to get 'future job demand', considering that these are data from 500k companies (not including new companies that can come up in the future) as well as changing economic conditions - more demand if more growth etc.

The solution is simpler and counterintutive - create more low skilled jobs.

The government is trying to create private sector jobs for high skilled individuals (employees of which may not be there) but seem to neglect jobs for the large majority of workers - the unskilled. Construction and plantation jobs arent enough - theres no progression. We need factory jobs.
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post Nov 20 2019, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(empyreal @ Nov 20 2019, 10:51 AM)
Its a bit hard to get 'future job demand', considering that these are data from 500k companies (not including new companies that can come up in the future) as well as changing economic conditions - more demand if more growth etc.

The solution is simpler and counterintutive - create more low skilled jobs.

The government is trying to create private sector jobs for high skilled individuals (employees of which may not be there) but seem to neglect jobs for the large majority of workers - the unskilled. Construction and plantation jobs arent enough - theres no progression. We need factory jobs.
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It just a trend prediction n preventive measures

On the other hand, reduce the number of students 'trapped' by colleges PTPTN loan debt usually during the career seminars which ends up signing the loan instead of choosing the right career path

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