Any VW DSG dry clutch owner here (1.2, 1.4, 1.8 TSI) ?

VW recall and changed mineral oil to all the dry clutch gearbox for car before 2013. Also remapped the gearbox settings for better and smooth gear change.

Based on my experience, gearbox juddering issue is very common and this can never be solved. I changed clutch twice in 2016 & 2020 current mileage is just about 80k, so if any of you having gearbox juddering issue in low gear (D1/1/S1 changing to G2) or (G2 to G3) happening more obvious on hill/slope road, you must need to replace your clutch.

Beside this issue, mechatronic is another fragile part but I never change it yet. The way that I drive is always slow, except highway road will rev fast sometimes. Couldn't understand why the clutch is so vulnerable maybe VW gearbox is a failure and this is a fact. Just to share this to let those who interested to buy VW please think twice unless you don't mind to send in workshop and paying extra to maintain the car.


It could be using D(auto) 7 speed driving in city (many stop and go) gear always switched to gear 7 at (70kmph) then down to gear 1, or gear 6(60kmph) down to gear 1. If driver using manual (+ -) more often would it be better (clutch more last longing) ? Anyone drive like this way ?


Any owner here from 2014 onwards (dry clutch)? wanna know if gearbox issue is still happening. I believe the clutch is used ...Still the same as old model.

This post has been edited by ComputerIdiot: Jan 14 2020, 10:59 AM

firstly, this is not just a vw issue.. any car that comes with a dual-clutch is already a huge red-flag (costly and prone to premature failure).

a "dry dual clutch" is the worst of the dual clutch variants.. what kills it?

driving "slow"... your clutch pack heats up unnecessary and breaks down over time.. never, never crawl(drive slowly) when using a dual clutch transmission car..

Thanks for sharing. So using D (auto) or Manual way (+-) myself maximum is just Gear 4 in city. Both driving way doesn't matter and are the same ? Meaning dry dual clutch is not design for city driving ? Many stop and go

nope .. i think is the VW clutch issue .. ALL DCT same like other transmission and slow or fast without problem .. everyone know VW dry DCT not so good especially in malaysia weather environment .. easily spoil if heat up ... so most of it turn up using WET DCT ..

In conclusion.... stay away dry clutch ... go for wet clutch if needed

This post has been edited by destee88: Jan 14 2020, 11:05 AM

i guessed you haven't heard about ford fiesta...
do share which car has a good dct.. especially a dry type

Anyone changed DSG oil for DQ200 gearbox?..
I have exceeded 120,000 mileage and was advised to change the oil..

So far only changed clutch pack once and no issue since 2012..

Just out of curiosity, if it's called dry clutch then why still have oil in it?

Dry clutch issue . Wet clutch on mine 0 problem after 9 year

The oil for Hydraulic (machatronic) functional

The clutch is Dry meaning only the clutch area... the rest is not dry you still need lubricant to lubricate the gear inside...

Wet clutch meaning the clutch is not Dry.... it is wet.....

problem after 9 year.... this kinda stuff only heard from a dual clutch transmission domain..
seriously, don't know why getrag is still in business (i guess, no life is loss from such failure.. ala takata)

It's okay..
I can accept that. Replacement half cut + refurbishment cost about 5k....I mean after 9 years, 350k km travel.....I am bound to run into issues..
Like any other gearbox....remember...after 350k...some car engine don't even last that long

so does that means wet clutch solve the problem? pondering the new B8 with wet clutch.

yes will solve the clutch issue only, not including gearbox/engine issues.
but the cost to maintain wet clutch is also a black hole..

looks like reliability is a major issue with vw. a bit disappointed.

You can change it because the oil is not expensive. If your warranty is over, try Vagtechnik. Because gear oil is not expensive... no harm.

Your lucky because your mileage 120k and just replaced clutch once only. My mileage about 80k already replace twice under warranty.


Now I am thinking to sell this car next year. Due to the dry clutch is a wear and tear part, I feel it need to be replaced every 40k. Mostly city drive,30% highway only.

Try to avoid VW , if wanna get a VW buy the wet clutch.

This post has been edited by ComputerIdiot: Jan 14 2020, 01:34 PM

which vw model you drive?

looks like you did a fantastic job maintaining it

Glad to know your car 9 years already still no major issue.

Can ask you smtg regarding consume engine oil ?

My VW normally follow schedule 15k or 1 year service.

Recently just travelled 5k+ the engine oil already light on....It's about 500ml engine oil is gone.

No leaking , exhaust pipe no white gas. VWSC says this is normal for turbo car. But I don't accept this. For me it will getting serious only.

This issue only happen recently, first year until 4th year the engine oil always enough until 15k km is travelled. What is the part that causing consume engine oil ? No leaking oil on floor, pipe is clean. This is because gasket or oil seal worn ?? What need to be replaced, I think most VW car got this common issue too.... after 5 years. Everything is okay just that after 5k distance more or less is travelled engine oil stick half is gone.

My one was manufacturer 2013 but gear box was changed to 2014 version due to gearbox failure in 2014. My time consider lucky becos they changed the whole gear box for me ( 2014 ) but after that they just repair .Bear in mind
VW car problem not only from gear but also other parts too and many of their service Center also are lebih Kurang attitude
Parts easy spoil are regardless tsi or non tsi
Such as aircond compressor and motor fan , absorber , air valve , mechatronic , radiator pump and hose .
VW will follow Suzuki fate
all 3s Center will close one by one

5000km engine oil top up is common if u Rev a lot and highway . If the engine oil drop every 1-2k km
Then good luck to u it may need to overhaul engine or turbo which is cost rm10k and above if both have problem

This post has been edited by danielisme: Jan 14 2020, 02:33 PM

2014 here, no issues with the gearbox. Pretty smooth 2nd to 3rd gear onwards.

But I put it in autohold all the time so that the clutch gets released in standstill and not overheat the gearbox

This post has been edited by Drian: Jan 14 2020, 02:34 PM

Thanks mate.... I have tried Vagtechnik for 2 years... thinking of changing workshop next month..
I also avoiding VW for my next purchase.. its not because of the gearbox but other stuff like speed sensor, ignition system, ignition cable, transformer, gasket leak suspension issue.. I am lucky DSG didnt give me issues but other stuff already kept me very busy.. also changing clutch pack after warranty is dxmn expensive..

Dry clutch or Wet clutch, I am avoiding conti cars all together..
They say life is too short to drive nice cars.. but i say life is too short and dont waste time visiting workshop.. lol...
Already owned a conti car in my life time, dream fulfilled, just move on and do other more important stuff..

Haha same thoughts here. German car, unfortunately you got VW as your first choice. Mercedes seem quite good without many problems.

Everyone says the same thing, for realibility go for Japanese car. Look at conti cars second hand value you will know. My friends Honda Jazz first generation 2008 CBU until 2019, no gearbox or engine big issue. Just changed to 3rd generation lols. Next car will change to Japanese car too

It's a powershift gearbox which is made by getrag....wet clutch tho. It works like a charm and shifts perfectly especially during spirited drive. So far no problems except that oil change cost about 1.2k every 50k km ( max is 60k km)

But that's the price to maintain it

Bro sounds so serious need to overhaul ? But for me 5k oil stick half is gone is not common because as I mentioned first few years always travel 15k ...Stick still show full. Can it be small issue like gasket.. seal ?? What is the symptoms ? Seem like many reasons...It can be piston ring too. Hopefully is low cost repair else just sell it.

You drive Mondeo? or S-Max?

Lastime My car have to top up almost 1litre after 1000km - 1500km which is not normal
When it’s occur it’s time to overhaul
Yes u can’t eacape but I just sold the car , gd luck to new owner 👍
Overhaul is common for VW and Audi
If engine or turbo need around rm10k
If both also need to repair then around rm15k I think

This post has been edited by danielisme: Jan 14 2020, 04:18 PM

likely turbo bearing, because constant engine oil lubrication flow towards the turbo charger bearings. Every 2 years change oil feed and return hose.

worst case, cracked piston/piston rings...but this one will have odd sound and consumption not that drastic

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Jan 14 2020, 04:30 PM

I have a fren owned a E250 W212 facelift, spend RM60k to repair although bought new and service center say those parts doesnt cover under warranty... fulamak..
In general, German always push the latest tech into their cars, it is common to have certain amount of reliability issues, and German spend more cost in interior and need to cut cost else where, thus you can find plastic parts under the hood. Not only save cost but also reducing rattle sound. Plastic and rubber have less rattling sound then metal..

I have nothing against conti car, really nice to drive and refined.. just that you need a lot of love to own one... and it constantly broke my heart.. hahah

lol...and top that with the car price and part price sold here is just over the sky....hence the heart ache!

touch wood my B6 2011 been a gem...

Ya man, Passat B6 with 6 spd autobox is a gem to own. Had one (yr 2007/2009), sold to friend and he uses it until now, so far so good. Normal wear and tear only.

Yala... Everyday have to touchwood summore and stress up ourselves..
Want Conti car but end up stress everyday..

And when come to long distance drive have to use mummy's Honda.. bcos daddy's vw scared halfway breakdown.. daddy's vw only for short distance drive.. so lose face infront of children right...

Buy VW gaya infront of frens but lose face in front of own children..

Would you guys consider the new 2019 Tiguan?

you guys mean Passat CC ? Around year 2011? I think because it's not using dry clutch 7 speed maybe is 6 speed wet clutch so it's stable

Those Passat CC in the early days actually paired the 2.0tsi with a 6 speed torque converter..

This post has been edited by twincharger07: Jan 14 2020, 07:48 PM

Do Google Passat BY then you know what I meant.

I heard from a friend (mechanic) who has another friend which is VW dealer, don't dare to go office and everyday headache because got fucked upside down by customers everyday.
Even received plenty lawyer letters. Think he's gonna give up VW dealership soon.

These conti are designed to fail. A water pump in a Japanese car is made of solid aluminium, can run well into 300-400,000km range.

Conti water pump is made of plastic housing, even rotor blade too
How could you use plastic in a place of high heat, constant pressure and vibration and expect it not to fail ??
So their engineers have planned the failure of material ahead, the water pump sure fail right about 5years.

Mechatronics unit controller board which is an electronic board constantly get cooked by hot temperatures 80-100°C due to hot gear oil you think can last how long ?

even they give u 5 years warranty + 2 years goodwill
problem also VW center some parts cant get in malaysia. funny right the car is assembled in pahang but need to wait parts deliver from singapore . lastime my car aircond spoiled , compressor need to replace. upon approval from VW IS 1 WEEK,
and another 1 week wait for part delivery and replace.
2 weeks you driving car without aircond.
during 5 years of the car , accumulated my car stayed atleast 3 month in service center

This post has been edited by danielisme: Jan 15 2020, 09:10 AM

Like dealing with government red tape lol.

Damn fail this VW, from 2012 until now 2019 still never improve the weak part design.
Tune down car performance but design wise still it's the same part.



This post has been edited by AllnGap: Jan 15 2020, 09:17 AM

If oil consumption is caused by :
a)hardened valve seals , try High Mileage oil see if it helps ?
b)stucked oil control rings , try shorten oil change intervals and other 'cleaners' treatments with a view of cleaning up the clogged oil control rings .
May try a thicker oil , whether a) or b) above .
Check/replace PCV valve , if damaged/blocked .
Turbo oil drain/return pipe/hose blocked ? Possible .

This post has been edited by zeng: Jan 15 2020, 10:54 AM

Holly shxt.... Wearnes pulling out from the dealership tells a lot about VW future in Msia...
Although I Fxxx them for warranty claims before, but i think they are the better one compare to the rest..

Thank you so much for the advice. I will talk to mechanic to see the repair cost if I plan to continue drive this car a year later. If don't want headache I will sell it off this year. It's 7 years old, changed parts are 2 clutches (2 times) funny right ? Now I'm worrying about water pump... turbo/engine problem.. very soon because every 5k (engine oil stick half is gone) previously every 15k service and oil stick still full full

This post has been edited by ComputerIdiot: Jan 15 2020, 01:54 PM

thks for the informative comments! better stick back to jap or kia......

Hi, what was the repair needed for that model which need rm60k ya? My sister do had this car from brand new and im kinda interested to buy it from her.

My experience it is easy to claim warranty under mercedes sc than honda sc. Honda sc treatment/warranty claim are different from each sc, some sc are known to help customers really well for warranty claim etc

Part of it was the rim crack as the profile was low.. and other than that not too sure...

currently driving a wet clutch vw, 180k++ km ledi, no problems so far for the transmission, never change the clutch yet n oni do gearbox oil change rm600 every 60k km, soon will hav to change clutch but duno can last until how many km

Jetta ?

golf gti

Bro dont worry wet clutch very solid. Not like dry clutch. Maybe can hit 300k. So for golf gti what have you changed ? Is there something like timing chain tensioner... Mechatronic or maybe waterpump you replaced before ? These things like wear n tear easily expire

This post has been edited by ComputerIdiot: Jan 16 2020, 10:35 AM

yup its super bulletproof, no issues so far for the gb, i expect it to last >200k++ km before needing to chnge the clutch, nope never change the gb mecha before, my car is a 2011 car

things i changed so far are mostly wear n tear parts
- engine mount
- tensioner, vbelt
- ignition coil, spark plugs
- water pump n hoses n tank
- suspension
- oil gasket
- charcoal filter

non wear n tear parts that spoiled n i replaced
- radiator fan
- turbocharger

Thanks for sharing. Will consider golf gti my next car. Yours is GTI mk6 or mk7. The engine is using a belt not timing chain right ?

mk6, nope engine use timing chain

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