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post Jan 14 2020, 03:15 PM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 14 2020, 02:57 PM)
Thanks mate.... I have tried Vagtechnik for 2 years... thinking of changing workshop next month..
I also avoiding VW for my next purchase.. its not because of the gearbox but other stuff like speed sensor, ignition system, ignition cable, transformer, gasket leak suspension issue.. I am lucky DSG didnt give me issues but other stuff already kept me very busy.. also changing clutch pack after warranty is dxmn expensive..

Dry clutch or Wet clutch, I am avoiding conti cars all together..
They say life is too short to drive nice cars.. but i say life is too short and dont waste time visiting workshop.. lol...
Already owned a conti car in my life time, dream fulfilled, just move on and do other more important stuff..
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Haha same thoughts here. German car, unfortunately you got VW as your first choice. Mercedes seem quite good without many problems.

Everyone says the same thing, for realibility go for Japanese car. Look at conti cars second hand value you will know. My friends Honda Jazz first generation 2008 CBU until 2019, no gearbox or engine big issue. Just changed to 3rd generation lols. Next car will change to Japanese car too
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post Jan 14 2020, 03:17 PM

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QUOTE(wkc5657 @ Jan 14 2020, 01:37 PM)
which vw model you drive?

looks like you did a fantastic job maintaining it  :thumbsup:
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It's a powershift gearbox which is made by getrag....wet clutch tho. It works like a charm and shifts perfectly especially during spirited drive. So far no problems except that oil change cost about 1.2k every 50k km ( max is 60k km)

But that's the price to maintain it
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post Jan 14 2020, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(danielisme @ Jan 14 2020, 02:24 PM)
My one was manufacturer 2013 but gear box was changed to 2014 version due to gearbox failure in 2014. My time consider lucky becos they changed the whole gear box for me ( 2014 ) but after that they just repair  .Bear in mind
VW car problem not only from gear but also other parts too and many of their service Center also are lebih Kurang attitude
Parts easy spoil are regardless tsi or non tsi
Such as aircond compressor and motor fan , absorber , air valve , mechatronic , radiator pump and hose .
VW will follow Suzuki fate
all 3s Center will close one by one

5000km engine oil top up is common if u Rev a lot and highway . If the engine oil drop every  1-2k km
Then good luck to u it may need to overhaul engine or turbo which is cost rm10k and above if both have problem
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Bro sounds so serious need to overhaul ? But for me 5k oil stick half is gone is not common because as I mentioned first few years always travel 15k ...Stick still show full. Can it be small issue like gasket.. seal ?? What is the symptoms ? Seem like many reasons...It can be piston ring too. Hopefully is low cost repair else just sell it.
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post Jan 14 2020, 04:14 PM

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QUOTE(cockerish @ Jan 14 2020, 03:17 PM)
It's a powershift gearbox which is  made by getrag....wet clutch tho.
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You drive Mondeo? or S-Max?
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post Jan 14 2020, 04:16 PM

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QUOTE(ComputerIdiot @ Jan 14 2020, 03:20 PM)
Bro sounds so serious need to overhaul ? But for me 5k oil stick half is gone is not common because as I mentioned first few years always travel 15k ...Stick still show full. Can it be small issue like gasket.. seal ?? What is the symptoms ? Seem like many reasons...It can be piston ring too. Hopefully is low cost repair else just sell it.
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Lastime My car have to top up almost 1litre after 1000km - 1500km which is not normal
When it’s occur it’s time to overhaul
Yes u can’t eacape but I just sold the car , gd luck to new owner 👍
Overhaul is common for VW and Audi
If engine or turbo need around rm10k
If both also need to repair then around rm15k I think

This post has been edited by danielisme: Jan 14 2020, 04:18 PM
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post Jan 14 2020, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(ComputerIdiot @ Jan 14 2020, 01:39 PM)
This issue only happen recently, first year until 4th year the engine oil always enough until 15k km is travelled. What is the part that causing consume engine oil ? No leaking oil on floor, pipe is clean. This is because gasket or oil seal worn ?? What need to be replaced, I think most VW car got this common issue too.... after 5 years.  Everything is okay just that after 5k distance more or less is travelled engine oil stick half is gone.
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likely turbo bearing, because constant engine oil lubrication flow towards the turbo charger bearings. Every 2 years change oil feed and return hose.

worst case, cracked piston/piston rings...but this one will have odd sound and consumption not that drastic

This post has been edited by wkc5657: Jan 14 2020, 04:30 PM
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post Jan 14 2020, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(ComputerIdiot @ Jan 14 2020, 03:15 PM)
Haha same thoughts here. German car, unfortunately you got VW as your first choice. Mercedes seem quite good without many problems.

Everyone says the same thing, for realibility go for Japanese car. Look at conti cars second hand value you will know. My friends Honda Jazz first generation 2008 CBU until 2019, no gearbox or engine big issue. Just changed to 3rd generation lols. Next car will change to Japanese car too
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I have a fren owned a E250 W212 facelift, spend RM60k to repair although bought new and service center say those parts doesnt cover under warranty... fulamak..
In general, German always push the latest tech into their cars, it is common to have certain amount of reliability issues, and German spend more cost in interior and need to cut cost else where, thus you can find plastic parts under the hood. Not only save cost but also reducing rattle sound. Plastic and rubber have less rattling sound then metal..

I have nothing against conti car, really nice to drive and refined.. just that you need a lot of love to own one... and it constantly broke my heart.. hahah
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post Jan 14 2020, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(twincharger07 @ Jan 14 2020, 04:51 PM)
I have a fren owned a E250 W212 facelift, spend RM60k to repair although bought new and service center say those parts doesnt cover under warranty... fulamak..
In general, German always push the latest tech into their cars, it is common to have certain amount of reliability issues, and German spend more cost in interior and need to cut cost else where, thus you can find plastic parts under the hood. Not only save cost but also reducing rattle sound. Plastic and rubber have less rattling sound then metal..

I have nothing against conti car, really nice to drive and refined.. just that you need a lot of love to own one... and it constantly broke my heart.. hahah
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lol...and top that with the car price and part price sold here is just over the sky....hence the heart ache!

touch wood my B6 2011 been a gem... biggrin.gif
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post Jan 14 2020, 05:03 PM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 14 2020, 04:54 PM)
lol...and top that with the car price and part price sold here is just over the sky....hence the heart ache!

touch wood my B6 2011 been a gem...  biggrin.gif
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Ya man, Passat B6 with 6 spd autobox is a gem to own. Had one (yr 2007/2009), sold to friend and he uses it until now, so far so good. Normal wear and tear only.
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post Jan 14 2020, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(VeeJay @ Jan 14 2020, 04:54 PM)
lol...and top that with the car price and part price sold here is just over the sky....hence the heart ache!

touch wood my B6 2011 been a gem...  biggrin.gif
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Yala... Everyday have to touchwood summore and stress up ourselves..
Want Conti car but end up stress everyday..

And when come to long distance drive have to use mummy's Honda.. bcos daddy's vw scared halfway breakdown.. daddy's vw only for short distance drive.. so lose face infront of children right...

Buy VW gaya infront of frens but lose face in front of own children..
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post Jan 14 2020, 06:53 PM

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post Jan 14 2020, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(4WD_er @ Jan 14 2020, 05:03 PM)
Ya man, Passat B6 with 6 spd autobox is a gem to own.  Had one (yr 2007/2009), sold to friend and he uses it until now, so far so good.  Normal wear and tear only.
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you guys mean Passat CC ? Around year 2011? I think because it's not using dry clutch 7 speed maybe is 6 speed wet clutch so it's stable
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post Jan 14 2020, 07:46 PM

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QUOTE(ComputerIdiot @ Jan 14 2020, 07:23 PM)
you guys mean Passat CC ? Around year 2011? I think because it's not using dry clutch 7 speed maybe is 6 speed wet clutch so it's stable
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Those Passat CC in the early days actually paired the 2.0tsi with a 6 speed torque converter..

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post Jan 15 2020, 07:29 AM

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QUOTE(ComputerIdiot @ Jan 14 2020, 07:23 PM)
you guys mean Passat CC ? Around year 2011? I think because it's not using dry clutch 7 speed maybe is 6 speed wet clutch so it's stable
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Do Google Passat BY then you know what I meant.
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post Jan 15 2020, 08:39 AM

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QUOTE(danielisme @ Jan 14 2020, 02:24 PM)
My one was manufacturer 2013 but gear box was changed to 2014 version due to gearbox failure in 2014. My time consider lucky becos they changed the whole gear box for me ( 2014 ) but after that they just repair  .Bear in mind
VW car problem not only from gear but also other parts too and many of their service Center also are lebih Kurang attitude
Parts easy spoil are regardless tsi or non tsi
Such as aircond compressor and motor fan , absorber , air valve , mechatronic , radiator pump and hose .
VW will follow Suzuki fate
all 3s Center will close one by one

5000km engine oil top up is common if u Rev a lot and highway . If the engine oil drop every  1-2k km
Then good luck to u it may need to overhaul engine or turbo which is cost rm10k and above if both have problem
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I heard from a friend (mechanic) who has another friend which is VW dealer, don't dare to go office and everyday headache because got fucked upside down by customers everyday.
Even received plenty lawyer letters. Think he's gonna give up VW dealership soon.

These conti are designed to fail. A water pump in a Japanese car is made of solid aluminium, can run well into 300-400,000km range.

Conti water pump is made of plastic housing, even rotor blade too
How could you use plastic in a place of high heat, constant pressure and vibration and expect it not to fail ??
So their engineers have planned the failure of material ahead, the water pump sure fail right about 5years.

Mechatronics unit controller board which is an electronic board constantly get cooked by hot temperatures 80-100°C due to hot gear oil you think can last how long ?


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post Jan 15 2020, 09:05 AM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Jan 15 2020, 08:39 AM)
I heard from a friend (mechanic) who has another friend which is VW dealer, don't dare to go office and everyday headache because got fucked upside down by customers everyday.
Even received plenty lawyer letters. Think he's gonna give up VW dealership soon.

These conti are designed to fail. A water pump in a Japanese car is made of solid aluminium, can run well into 300-400,000km range.

Conti water pump is made of plastic housing, even rotor blade too
How could you use plastic in a place of high heat, constant pressure and vibration and expect it not to fail ??
So their engineers have planned the failure of material ahead, the water pump sure fail right about 5years.

Mechatronics unit controller board which is an electronic board constantly get cooked by hot temperatures 80-100°C due to hot gear oil you think can last how long ?
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even they give u 5 years warranty + 2 years goodwill
problem also VW center some parts cant get in malaysia. funny right the car is assembled in pahang but need to wait parts deliver from singapore . lastime my car aircond spoiled , compressor need to replace. upon approval from VW IS 1 WEEK,
and another 1 week wait for part delivery and replace.
2 weeks you driving car without aircond.
during 5 years of the car , accumulated my car stayed atleast 3 month in service center

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QUOTE(danielisme @ Jan 15 2020, 09:05 AM)
even they give u 5 years warranty + 2 years goodwill
problem also VW center some parts cant get in malaysia. funny right the car is assembly in pahang but need to wait parts deliver from singapore . imagine my car aircond spoli , compressor need to replace. upon approval from VW IS 1 WEEK,
and another week wait for part delivery and replace.
2 weeks you driving car without aircond.
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Like dealing with government red tape lol.

Damn fail this VW, from 2012 until now 2019 still never improve the weak part design.
Tune down car performance but design wise still it's the same part.



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post Jan 15 2020, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(ComputerIdiot @ Jan 14 2020, 03:20 PM)
Bro sounds so serious need to overhaul ? But for me 5k oil stick half is gone is not common because as I mentioned first few years always travel 15k ...Stick still show full. Can it be small issue like gasket.. seal ?? What is the symptoms ? Seem like many reasons...It can be piston ring too. Hopefully is low cost repair else just sell it.
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If oil consumption is caused by :
a)hardened valve seals , try High Mileage oil see if it helps ?
b)stucked oil control rings , try shorten oil change intervals and other 'cleaners' treatments with a view of cleaning up the clogged oil control rings .
May try a thicker oil , whether a) or b) above .
Check/replace PCV valve , if damaged/blocked .
Turbo oil drain/return pipe/hose blocked ? Possible .

This post has been edited by zeng: Jan 15 2020, 10:54 AM
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post Jan 15 2020, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(AllnGap @ Jan 15 2020, 08:39 AM)
I heard from a friend (mechanic) who has another friend which is VW dealer, don't dare to go office and everyday headache because got fucked upside down by customers everyday.
Even received plenty lawyer letters. Think he's gonna give up VW dealership soon.

These conti are designed to fail. A water pump in a Japanese car is made of solid aluminium, can run well into 300-400,000km range.

Conti water pump is made of plastic housing, even rotor blade too
How could you use plastic in a place of high heat, constant pressure and vibration and expect it not to fail ??
So their engineers have planned the failure of material ahead, the water pump sure fail right about 5years.

Mechatronics unit controller board which is an electronic board constantly get cooked by hot temperatures 80-100°C due to hot gear oil you think can last how long ?
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Holly shxt.... Wearnes pulling out from the dealership tells a lot about VW future in Msia...
Although I Fxxx them for warranty claims before, but i think they are the better one compare to the rest..
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post Jan 15 2020, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(zeng @ Jan 15 2020, 10:51 AM)
If oil consumption is caused by :
a)hardened valve seals , try High Mileage oil see if it helps ?
b)stucked oil control rings , try shorten oil change intervals and other 'cleaners' treatments with a view of  cleaning up the clogged oil control rings .
May try a thicker oil , whether a) or b) above .
Check/replace PCV valve , if damaged/blocked .
Turbo oil drain/return pipe/hose blocked ? Possible .
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Thank you so much for the advice. I will talk to mechanic to see the repair cost if I plan to continue drive this car a year later. If don't want headache I will sell it off this year. It's 7 years old, changed parts are 2 clutches (2 times) funny right ? Now I'm worrying about water pump... turbo/engine problem.. very soon because every 5k (engine oil stick half is gone) previously every 15k service and oil stick still full full

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