Any workshop have good review of bolt on turbo?

Planning to bolt on turbo my manual Preve, looking for workshop around Petaling Jaya, Subang, Shah Alam, Puchong, Putrajaya is recommended, by as long as within Klang Valley also can la.

Bro, is better to find a 1.8T GSR turbo half-cut and transplant.. A lot of those bolt on turbo require a lot of side modification like upgrading the radiator, thicker gasket, oil cooler add on, ECU remap/upgrade etc will add up a lot of cost and in the end is better to get a half-cut.. Less headache for the driver & mechanic..

Campro engine? Waste of time and resource imho. Might as well go for 4g63t or 4g93t. Since it’s 1.6, you can drop in up to 2.0 engine and get it endorsed without any issue.

An engine swap is better than BOT in the long run and you’ll be having less headache if turbo is an alien to you.

I'm curious, is engine swap is still legal? Sometime ago engine swap is restricted because it's considered modification.

How serious are you ? are you going to high boost?

If you want to do things properly, then your conrod bearing, head gasket, fuel injector, fuel pump, ecu etc all have to upgrade. Not to forget the braking system as well.

Those after market addon turbo kit usually is just some low boost turbo.

Not in order of the best or whatever.

• Krypto Motorsports
• Tam Turbo Motorsports
• Marmad Auto Performance
• Gearboss Performance

For me, just bolt on turbo. Don't listen to those naysayers.
Understand the limitations and restriction, set a plausible power goals within the limitation or restriction.

how about using sprintex supercharger ? try asking G Tuned Racing PJ

You try google pak tam turbo / tam turbo motorsport
He is very well known with turbo modification and repair especially for proton cars. He fixes a lot preve/exora bold turbo

His own ride is exora with evo engine. Workshop at kampung melayu subang

Try visit him and hear his opinion...bolt on turbo vs transplant 4g93t

This post has been edited by arza04: Jan 9 2020, 10:42 AM

I'm looking forward for the bolt-on turbo as well for R20 motor. It is believe that the R20 motor stock internal is quite hard already for low to mid boost. I'm looking for 250 BHP/25 KG torque

Well, for the engine alone is at least 5k and above. Easily reach RM10k++ including labour and other parts like gearbox, ECU those.

BOT is more budget for me, I just want small boost, not want to boost 2bar like that lol

I bolt on turbo not for racing la, just want to have more power when the road is steep, and when I want to accelerate.

maybe .5 bar or .7 bar boost like that, not going for 1.5 bar or 2 bar boost lol

Thank you all, I will contact them and see.

Why not? The legal way is to write a letter to JPJ for modification approval with the engine information or custom form (If buy from half-cut shop). If swap from another car take the car geran information. Normally a 20% allowance for cc increase from original size. The most important is not to alter, cut or weld the main chassis, the rest can be kautim.

It’s 25% now. Used to be 30%

FYI, original stock 1.8 GSR turbo boost is around 0.6~0.8 bar. Those 2 bar is already modify kau kau.
Just google about bolt on turbo on proton engine from local magazine. Most of it in the end also over 10k and a lot of trial and error which will cause a lot of time & headache. After you done your modification, you will get another part worried is the parts you modify into your car mostly are customize and normal mechanic wont dare to take risk if anything serious and you will have to go back to the mechanic that help you to modify.

Turbocharging is never cheap, not even BOT.

Turbocharger
Wastegate
BOV
Exhaust manifold
Intake
Intercooler and piping
Intake system
Oil coolant lines
Piggyback ECU

Of course you can have a budget BOT, but most likely your car will be staying in the workshop more than driving it on the road.

Actually what's wrong with Proton'S CFE engine.
Im not talking about trying to BOT the IAFM engine.
Proton lowered the stock boost just to protect the CVT. Not the engine.

Sadly nobody even tries to replace the gearbox to a stronger non-CVT gearbox followed by replacing the Stock turbocharger and crank up the boost.

All blame the engine just because of the CVT.
All blame the engine just because it wears a Proton badge.
All want to just swap the entire engine to something more glamourest. Evo engine.

I bet if someone dare to up the boost, Honda turbo can kiss its ass goodbye. 205nm vs Honda's 220Nm is not far off. 138hp on CFE vs 173 hp on a Civic turbo. 35 horses difference for a turbo is not a big gap.
Doable with some tuning upgrade (and yes.. add an external oil cooler)

Proton has tried racing with a CFE engine minus the turbo and pumps out 190 horses. NA. Imagine with turbo.

https://www.sepangcircuit.com/events/malays...but-in-malaysia

Again nobody tried. Because they lack the confidence. Sadly.

This post has been edited by SleeplessEyes: Jan 10 2020, 12:07 AM

for proton only perdana and inspira allow 2.0. other limited to 1836 cc. other model wont pass puspakom inspection/endorse.

legal but there's TnC stated at jpj website.

BOT im not sure u need to endorse it. engine number is the same if you're using the same block.

i've change my proton engine and mod it etc.

word of advice, do it right first time and endorse it (insurance wont layan your claim if geran details is differ than whats under the hood).

proper mod + original stuff = reliability. Dont take short cut.

for what i have read, G tuned racing has been doing CVT tuning for the preve starting last year. so it is okay to modify the turbo (within limit) to the cvt. can try first

Don't forget injectors and fuel pump, also boost controller and some gauges like boost meter, and AF meter at the very least.

Ya, that’s why I didn’t include everything. Turbo is never meant for the faint hearted ones. I don’t think a budget BOT is ever a thing, not even questioning the reliability.

yea…only this reply make sense.

those who think of BOT never know what is spun bearing until that day comes. some engine conrod and piston cylinder doesn't have enough lubrication hole for engine oil flow thru.

190hp on 1.6L engine..not very impressive, especially since its a race engine. Nissan already produce a 200hp 1.6L engine 20 years ago! And its for mass production, street legal although limited.
The engine is nissan sr16ve n1.

This post has been edited by Balanced: Jan 10 2020, 06:45 PM

Because you can't just swap another gearbox and call it a day.

CFE Engine's ECU is matched with PunchCVT's TCU to work properly.

If you didn't have the corresponding TCU connected to the ECU, the ECU of CFE Engine will limit the RPM to 3000.

People converting CFE Engine from PunchCVT to custom Manual GB they need to change a new ECU as well because of the stupid limitation from Proton. Which is why there aren't many people converting Suprima or Preve CFE to MT

What's your budget? im also starting bolt on project soon

This post has been edited by Archemedia: Feb 29 2020, 10:04 AM

would suggest you to find second hand 'halfcut' cfe engine and swap in, inverted commas because most likely it's an accident car or second hand de-registered car. bot itself will be hitting rm10k if you count in all the cost and hidden cost.


https://www.jpj.gov.my/en/web/main-site/tek...nge-application

unless under table i guess.

well i personally compare directly cfe and iafm+ crankshaft is the same, thus in order to make the iafm+ engine able to handle high boost above 0.9 bar u can just upgrade it with cfe conrod and piston, throw in a racing oil pump and it will handle the boost reliably.

u can search Krypto Motorsports fb
here we have 5 preve manual running daily otr. go to work, fetch family going to holiday and etc.

1. preve manual with, tdo4hl 0.8 bar boost with cps head swap .200whp and 260nm
2. preve manual with gt30 1.0 bar boost, 210whp 300nm.
3. prevr manual with gt28 hybrid turbo 1.3 bar boost. yet to dyno, but previous stock gt28 turbo 0.8bar on dyno show 180whp n 260nm.
4. preve manual with rhf4 turbo .
5. in progress not sure wat turbo

all running aem fic 6 piggyback. number 2 preve already change gb to gen2 manual cos getrag stock not able to handle the power, throw up a small hole on gb casing hahaha.

number 3 in progress of changing to cps gb for better ratio. non of above car have issues with their engine only have issues with the recond china turbo. shaft kaput etc.

starting package for 0.6 bar boost starts at 6.5k, include all piping require until middle section.

This post has been edited by THE CLASS OF 13: Mar 7 2020, 11:45 PM

if you go for engine swap u need to worry about driveshaft as non of mitsu 4g engine driveshaft are able to plug and play to preve, not even if use other proton model driveshaft.

we have 1 preve with 4g63 swap from evo 8 mr fq300
couple with 6 speed lsd gb, 5 driveshaft were sacrificed. until the recent one which is hardened also putus. dyno 300whp and almost 400nm torque . torque steer like crazy. sumore if you transplant and older engine which is not using canbus system u will need to spent almost 5-8k for standalone ecu and programmed it to work.with stock proton instruments panel.

in this case, this evo 8 swapped preve was using external obd meter for speedo and rpm. the fuel level was not accurate cos this depends on original ecu which calculate the fuel level inside tank and distance cover by speed sensor, and the odometer is not working. same case with other 4gxx engine. a lot of hassle just to make the instrument work like stock.

not easy as thes guys reply, cos they dont even work or drive a transplanted preve or exora. if you talk about a neo, persona. this one is very easy. driveshaft pnp. mounting all 4 no need to modified , no need to worry on the cluster and etc only need to worry to make the rpm.works. which can be done by using external crank sensor triggered and standalone ecu.

the lowest price offer for complete engine swap.on preve by Tam turbo Motorsports
4g93t from gsrt lancer rm15k complete unti downpipe only. this is one is auto. manual is different price and the stock rpm odo and speed wont work.
for evo 4g63 mt might reach 20k iinm. excluding restoring the engine 100% hehe.

lasf time my fren preve manual transplant to 4g92 mivec ck rs engine complete with link atom.standalone ECU cost about 20k in total excluding the standalone 😂, and he's not even satisfied, imagine a mivec ck 1.6l engine pulling a 1.3 ton. body. this car needs torque man, and my fren end up swaping a 4g63 from evo 6.5 tme with gb. end up.total cost reaching almost 50k . hehe think twice man, preve is not the same car proton produce like other proton.. this is complicated and it is a abah abah sedan hahaha

This post has been edited by THE CLASS OF 13: Mar 7 2020, 11:38 PM

fyi the stock preve manual is already a double layer unit, serviced mine last time and its the exact unit as preve cfe.

things you need to worry when bot your campro, is how your fuelling will protect your engine. run a low boost below 0.8 it will be reliable. no need for custom clutch, no need to worry to upgrade the fuel pump and etc.


but always remember this once you go turbo route its hard to resist the upgrade. 3 -6 months u may satisfied with low boost. but once u bored with the g force during full boost u will kejar high boost feelinf which in this case u will want to upgrad to bigger turbo .

in order to swap a manual gb into preve cfe, u will need
a standalone ecu

this is to bypass the stock proton tcu/ecu rev/fuel cut on gb during Neutral.
u may able to work on it. we have two preve cfe running with mt transmission
one using link atom.ecu and drive by cable tb. another one is maxxecu mini with also drive by cable tb. also there is a worry on the speedsensor side as when u change the gb from other cars let say persona or gen2 mt gb. it not the same ratio as stock preve. if you go with preve 5mt gb which is pnp..u need to worry on the getrag gb as its not that strong to handle boost. the cost is as below

-hardware , gear lever, paddle meter, gb driveshaft and labour maybe rm1.5-3k depends on gb model
-ecu, this one really hurts as u cannnot simply remap.a proton ecu/tcu. it may cost up to 3-8k depends on ecu model and tuner.

totaled up almost 7-10k? comparable to iafm+ bolt on turbo kit, which also may cost from 6k to.up to 10k for medium or low boost.

sorry for my wall of text guys. just sharing my experience in.hand with modified preve. a lot of em. drove them all anyway the evo 8 6 speed preve is beast. reach almost 270kmh on nse gps speed 😂

i thought cfe had forged crank?
so does iafm+ too?
im confused.
or just the piston and conrod forged?

previously i also thought cfe crankshaft is forged, but once dismantle and put side by side with iafm+ crankshaft no difference. rod and piston confirm got different 😂

Good info sharing. Love to hear something new from someone who has extensive hands-on experience.

bro u work in krypto Motorsport is it? learn alot of nice info from u 😂

play modified car will comes with a lot of headache and you need to have lots of cash lol.

just buy supercharger lah, 10k-13k. at least you dont need to deal with the temp of the turbo which will kill all your equipment in the engine bay.

for a gt28 and gt30 the figures sound patheticly low no offense. No timing added izit?

Huh, turbo temp will kill all equipment in the engine bay?? What equipment ya, and how so? Newbie asking, care to elaborate a bit?

your plastic fan, your plastic cover radiator,..your hose...you need to properly plan how to dissipate the heat fast....or you going to have lots of headache...you need to have a heatshield..not just simply buy a BOT header and that's it. Make sure surrounding has been shielded as well. not that simple. basically you need to have a good mechanic which really like and passionate about what he's doing, so he will be willing to custom it for you.

1)Oil temp
2)Water Temp
3)AFR
4)Oil Press

These few basic aspects to monitor is enough for you with headaches. Still not talking about boost controller, oil cooler, radiator fan, thermostat, radiator and cap, fuel pump, fuel rail, extra injector, and custom return fuel line, thicker gasket

Lol. So many to list out.

TLDR: if yo don’t really understand about turbo, best would be:
1) stick to NA
2) engine swap
3) get a TC car

Unless you have a very2 reliable workshop or you have a lot of moolah to burn

My 2 cents

Oj of course if you do BOT properly, means you add turbo AND 'friends', not just the turbo. 😀 Those 'friends' includes all the necessary upgrade that comes with the turbo including heatshields, proper hoses, bigger capacity full aluminium radiator etc2. But once you do those things properly, it will work pretty well.

Then why do you ask if you very confidence already..

Also need to do a engine oil squirt directly to the bottom of the piston to cool it down. Hey, too many things to add, just buy cheap mazda 3 mps and be gone with it lah.

Just want to get things straight so not to mislead others that BOT will kill other equipment. I get your point that SC kit probably is a bit less things to do but it also has it's own areas to watch for.

u should know that aem fic cannot play with ignition timing. god damn lol

This post has been edited by THE CLASS OF 13: Oct 10 2020, 04:36 PM

which leads me to the question, why not something with ignition control? so much money spent on hardware, so much air and extra fuel but timing isn't there. Why eh?

no la.bro, actually is still budget build , we all use custom hybrid turbo with non original casing 😂😂 sumore stock bottom end still. but mow we are moving to haltech and maxxecu maybe squeezing more power with aggressive ignition timing and fueling. but scare this campro crankshaft anytime can broke lol. campro have their limit so we stay in that range 😂

makes sense