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post Jan 6 2020, 03:30 PM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 6 2020, 03:23 PM)
It is my personal opinion and if you don't agree, it is up to you but the fact is no doubt there are people there who are genuinely doing it for the love of Chinese language but like every associations, there are people there who are doing it for selfish reasons. The school boards have already shown that they have selfish reasons for the computer classes issue. In this case, can you explain why they are so against 3 pages of Jawi when MOE have given so much clarification and the PTA the right to make decision? Why are they so adamant that the school board must be part of the decision making? Why continue to make a mountain out of molehill?
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I agree that it is your personal opinion.

From what I see DZ is doing 99.99% correct
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post Jan 6 2020, 03:35 PM

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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 6 2020, 03:12 PM)
If you open the text book then you'll know that tt's written on every bank notes in your pocket. Marriage certificates for muslims are in jawi.
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My question to you again. Is Jawi still use by majority of people today? Do you understand what I am trying to point out. I am not saying Jawi is totally gone but is it use as mainstream BM anymore?

By the way, it was included in our bank notes for heritage reasons and probably in muslims marriage certificates for religious reasons. My question to you. Why aren't Jawi use in non-muslims marriage certificates?
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post Jan 6 2020, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(Micozole @ Jan 6 2020, 03:29 PM)
i reckon thats what happen mostly of not standardizing jawi

some managed to learn if they are lucky

others like me...
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It is not about standardizing Jawi. It was about changes they made to BM as they were transitioning from English to BM as medium of instruction. The government wanted to make rumi the only writing for BM. It actually make logical sense as I doubt you'll find a lot of countries have 2 different type of writings for a language.

Look at Vietnam. They were using Chinese writings for their language until the romanised Vietnamese writings replaced Chinese writings in early 20th century. Nowadays, no one is propagating learning Vietnamese using Chinese writings anymore but they do not deny this was their heritage.
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post Jan 6 2020, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 6 2020, 03:42 PM)
It is not about standardizing Jawi. It was about changes they made to BM as they were transitioning from English to BM as medium of instruction. The government wanted to make rumi the only writing for BM. It actually make logical sense as I doubt you'll find a lot of countries have 2 different type of writings for a language.

Look at Vietnam. They were using Chinese writings for their language until the romanised Vietnamese writings replaced Chinese writings in early 20th century. Nowadays, no one is propagating learning Vietnamese using Chinese writings anymore but they do not deny this was their heritage.
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the bolded part - i dont understand if that is so, how come some students manage to learn, while others didnt?

eventhough they were all belong to the 80s in primary kebangsaan?
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post Jan 6 2020, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 6 2020, 03:35 PM)
My question to you again. Is Jawi still use by majority of people today? Do you understand what I am trying to point out. I am not saying Jawi is totally gone but is it use as mainstream BM anymore?

By the way, it was included in our bank notes for heritage reasons and probably in muslims marriage certificates for religious reasons. My question to you. Why aren't Jawi use in non-muslims marriage certificates?
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So, who's the majority? Majority dont use bank notes? Marriage certificates are secular documents written in BM using jawi script.

Anyway, I dont think anyone here said jawi is importance other than heritage reasons. Because it's part of the heritage then it must not be forgotten and one way to not forget it is by including in the lessons for school children.

I dont thunk even Malays will call for total reversion to the jawi script. Nons who think that are the one propogating fear.
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post Jan 6 2020, 04:01 PM

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QUOTE(Micozole @ Jan 6 2020, 03:51 PM)
the bolded part - i dont understand if that is so, how come some students manage to learn, while others didnt?

eventhough they were all belong to the 80s in primary kebangsaan?
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It is like the teaching of Maths & Science in English. It was a change in the syllabus. That is why some students in the early 80's learnt it and some who studied in the late 80's did not learn it after syllabus change. That is what my brother told me. He learnt from Standard 1 to 3 but when he reach Standard 4, no more Jawi even for the new Standard 1 students.
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QUOTE(saikia2046 @ Jan 6 2020, 03:18 PM)
this is just a beginning. later on will add more and eventually if you fail jawi you fail SPM or cannot enter U. mark my word.
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luls so much paranoid over nothing

mudah triggered betul
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post Jan 6 2020, 04:12 PM

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3 pages

Later 5 pagess.....later 1 chapter....later all stabdard....later from 1 to form 6....later uni.....later compulsory ....later everything on jalanan....etc

U know i know
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 6 2020, 04:04 PM)
It is like the teaching of Maths & Science in English. It was a change in the syllabus. That is why some students in the early 80's learnt it and some who studied in the late 80's did not learn it after syllabus change. That is what my brother told me. He learnt from Standard 1 to 3 but when he reach Standard 4, no more Jawi even for the new Standard 1 students.
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no. i am referring to both batch from the early 80s

they went to different SRK though
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QUOTE(Mondello @ Jan 6 2020, 04:12 PM)
3 pages

Later 5 pagess.....later 1 chapter....later all stabdard....later from 1 to form 6....later uni.....later compulsory ....later everything on jalanan....etc

U know i know
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your overreaction is totally similar to those bodo who said cina will rule malaya kek
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post Jan 6 2020, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Mondello @ Jan 6 2020, 04:12 PM)
3 pages

Later 5 pagess.....later 1 chapter....later all stabdard....later from 1 to form 6....later uni.....later compulsory ....later everything on jalanan....etc

U know i know
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actually nobody knows lol
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QUOTE(aliesterfiend @ Jan 6 2020, 04:00 PM)
So, who's the majority? Majority dont use bank notes? Marriage certificates are secular documents written in BM using jawi script.

Anyway, I dont think anyone here said jawi is importance other than heritage reasons. Because it's part of the heritage then it must not be forgotten and one way to not forget it is by including in the lessons for school children.

I dont thunk even Malays will call for total reversion to the jawi script. Nons who think that are the one propogating fear.
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I am trying to make people like you understand why there are objection by nons. You say they are propagating fear but past history and events on changes to our educations system have proven that their fear is not totally unfounded. Do you understand the predicament faced by the nons?

Like I originally say before, if from the very beginning MOE show this is the 3 pages, nobody will make noise. The problem was it was not clear from the beginning and it is also a fact that originally it was not 3 pages only. SK schools are learning more than 3 pages. Also, a lot of Malay do not know that a lot of nons already move on from this issue as they generally agree with MOE decision to let PTA make the decision.

Those who continue to make Jawi a big issue are now people who are exploiting it for selfish reasons.

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QUOTE(CTSBD.ONE @ Jan 6 2020, 04:21 PM)
actually nobody knows lol
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its ok...now ppl kn9w
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post Jan 6 2020, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 6 2020, 04:30 PM)
Those who continue to make Jawi a big issue are now people who are exploiting it for selfish reasons.
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this is what it is now .. nothing more

this topic and other similar topics can kolos coz no point already.
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post Jan 6 2020, 05:07 PM

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QUOTE(Micozole @ Jan 6 2020, 04:14 PM)
no. i am referring to both batch from the early 80s

they went to different SRK though
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If I am not mistaken, it was up to individual SRKs to teach. It was not a blanket direction for all schools to teach as it was not an exam subjects. In those days, there are only 5 exams subjects for Standard 5.
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 6 2020, 05:07 PM)
If I am not mistaken, it was up to individual SRKs to teach. It was not a blanket direction for all schools to teach as it was not an exam subjects. In those days, there are only 5 exams subjects for Standard 5.
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that explains why some didnt go through
thank you sir
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QUOTE(sk1l @ Jan 6 2020, 04:37 PM)
this is what it is now .. nothing more

this topic and other similar topics can kolos coz no point already.
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This, only some fucking shitstirrers kept flogging this mad.gif
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QUOTE(Namelessone1973 @ Jan 6 2020, 03:35 PM)
My question to you again. Is Jawi still use by majority of people today? Do you understand what I am trying to point out. I am not saying Jawi is totally gone but is it use as mainstream BM anymore?

By the way, it was included in our bank notes for heritage reasons and probably in muslims marriage certificates for religious reasons. My question to you. Why aren't Jawi use in non-muslims marriage certificates?
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Dah tu bila meniaga pandai pulak letak wording jawi.

Kata tak praktikal

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