Nothing to discuss: Indonesia says ‘no legal basis’ for China’s claim on the Natunas
Dian Septiari
The Jakarta Post

Indonesia has dismissed China’s invitation to sit down for a dialogue to “manage disputes” over Indonesia’s exclusive economic zones (EEZ) in the North Natuna Sea in the Riau Islands province, arguing that there are no overlapping claims there – a message Indonesia has sent consistently since 2016. Following revelations of a wave of illicit activity by Chinese coastguard and fishing vessels in Natuna waters last week, Indonesia summoned Chinese Ambassador to Indonesia Xiao Qian on Monday to lodge a formal protest. The Foreign Ministry said Indonesia would never recognize China's “Nine-Dash Line” –

Indonesian CG confidence to stand the ground and hold their teritory
It seems indonesia knows how china "play". Once indonesia discuss the dispute then it officially recognize china 9 dash line claim.

that why indonesia call tiongkok not china

Read the history, Natuna Island was supposed to belong to Malaysia.

The Indonesian CG ship involved is the KN Tanjung Datu the largest CG ship 110 meters even larger than Indonesian Navy Sigma 10514.

fishing vessel Those are independent.

this is what china gov uses.

Lol. Those PRC fishing boats are escorted by PRC CG.

Here is another video:



Screenshot:

PRC biggest coast guard ship is over 10k tonnes

Indon at least gt balls

PRC biggest coast guard ship is over 10k tonnes

It's a big floating target since it only has guns unless China sends it's DDG to protect it

they call tiongkok, we call tongsan..

wtf is a tongsan.


the old folks 70s age and above call them tng sua.

The Indonesian CG ship involved is the KN Tanjung Datu the largest CG ship 110 meters even larger than Indonesian Navy Sigma 10514.

Why need ship so big? Isn't this just making it harder to do coast guard job?

Indonesian CG confidence to stand the ground and hold their teritory
It seems indonesia knows how china "play". Once indonesia discuss the dispute then it officially recognize china 9 dash line claim.

Do we have such large CG ship?

Indon at least gt balls

Usir nelayan pun nak kecoh

No one dare to attack also.
Same thing apply to US. If kena attacked, they will have reason to retaliate... Not good for small nations in SEA.

Indonesian CG confidence to stand the ground and hold their teritory
It seems indonesia knows how china "play". Once indonesia discuss the dispute then it officially recognize china 9 dash line claim.

There are no discussion with CCP that will ends well.

Indonesian CG confidence to stand the ground and hold their teritory
It seems indonesia knows how china "play". Once indonesia discuss the dispute then it officially recognize china 9 dash line claim.

So should Malaysia should bait China, ?

China shoot first, China will be seen as aggressor

Malaysia should continue to not recognise China claim and stay in Malaysia own area. See how far China want to die die protect their 9 dash line

Do they dare shoot? Or no balls just taunt like Hong kong

So should Malaysia should bait China, ?

China shoot first, China will be seen as aggressor

Malaysia should continue to not recognise China claim and stay in Malaysia own area. See how far China want to die die protect their 9 dash line

Do they dare shoot? Or no balls just taunt like Hong kong

The thing is, China don't have to shoot. That is not their navy also.
Their coast guard ship is bigger than majority of the Navy ship in SEA. How?
It is depend how we and SEA nations respond. We can't use bullet, only talk and talk, which China like also.

Time to send the China carrier to Indon sea... Popcorn time.

Nelayan kepala bapak ko

that why indonesia call tiongkok not china

Nelayan kepala bapak ko

No sir

Indonesian CG confidence to stand the ground and hold their teritory
It seems indonesia knows how china "play". Once indonesia discuss the dispute then it officially recognize china 9 dash line claim.

you know apa lebih memalukan? Diarah utk bereda oleh seorg perempuan. Tgk lah kehebatan org indon.. kena byk belajar ni.. kasi memalukan PRC-PRC haram ni

china CG with china fishman......at indon

so far away

they say is china. Not indon.

ya...south "china" sea

ya...south "china" sea

Nelayan kepala bapak ko

Time to send the China carrier to Indon sea... Popcorn time.

Tuan, dun call me sir.

I am not a sir.. just a normal citizen.

Jd.. kerajaan bile nk procure?

sexist madafaka

Its ok.... as mark of respect

We do have several ships for coast guard, but not as big as this. Problem with our MMEA, when it was 1st established, ships came from several other maritime agencies which quite old. Right now, these ships are burdened to them since the cost quite high. Slowly they are procuring new ships, but the size wont be this big since we are operating within our ZEE

elehh butoh hang...
Thank you so much for the respect, Tuan

although we are only operating within our ZEE, with our enemies CG ship getting larger and larger, i believe MMEA also need to have at least 1 large enough CG ship.

elehh butoh hang...
Thank you so much for the respect, Tuan

although we are only operating within our ZEE, with our enemies CG ship getting larger and larger, i believe MMEA also need to have at least 1 large enough CG ship.

MMEA surely need a bigger ship, at least as big as indonesian CG. One of CG task is bluffing. How to bluff with small and weak ship?

PRC CG already stationed at james shoal for a long time. How to drives them out?

Indonesia ke arah kuasa besar

this is cina territory
apa lagi indon mau

Diplomatic lo.
Ask mahathir what game he and his gang want to play.
We can't fight directly with China. No money, power...

Even a war is a diplomatic way.
Talking is cheap, need to show a firm presence in dispute area.
One day this china bullshit claim in SCS will invite US come in big number. US have big interest on SCS, it is a busy sealine. SK and Japan also need a free SCS. Trillions dollar  trade uses this route.

US+japan+SK+asean need to sit together and make a military pact if china crazy act is going worst.

China Violates the Natuna Sea Zone, Luhut: Our Patrol Vessels Are Lacking

Reporter: Vincent Fabian Thomas
January 3, 2020


Coordinating Minister Luhut also suggested that the Indonesian government need to buy a new ship size 138-140 meters frigate class. 

tirto.id - The Coordinating Minister for Maritime Affairs and Investment, Luhut Binsar Pandjaitan, said that Indonesia lacks ships to patrol the North Natuna Sea. 

Luhut said that this was a case that needed to be addressed in responding to China's claim to the North Natuna Sea. 

"Yes, if we don't attend, people attend.  So we are actually the first to get angry at ourselves.  We don't have enough ships, "Luhut said to reporters when met at the Coordinating Ministry for Maritime and Investment Affairs, Friday (1/3/2019). 

The Natuna Sea polemic began when China was considered to make a one-sided claim on the North Natuna Sea through the Nine Dash-Line issued by the country.  Through this map, China recognizes the North Natuna Sea as part of its territory both land and water. 

In December 2019, Chinese naval vessels appeared at the border of North Natuna waters.  Their position was later found to be illegally entered. 

From the results of his talks with President Joko Widodo, Luhut claimed the government would increase domestic ship production.  He explained that Indonesian Navy ships would be added more. 

"Now the president has ordered today to build more of our ships, our coast guard to patrol," Luhut said. 

Luhut also suggested that Indonesia needs to buy a new ship size 138-140 meters frigate class. 

He said during Indonesia's independence, this type of ship had never been owned. 

He said this he had communicated with the Minister of Defense, Prabowo Subianto.  "And I suggested that there be a larger ocean going ship.  We have never had it as long as this republic was independent.  So right now the one who was with Pak Bowo, wants to buy the 138-140 meter frigate, "said Luhut.

When asked where the ship would be bought from, Luhut could not confirm it. 

He handed it over to Prabowo both in terms of price and the origin of the producing country.  To be sure, he planned if the ship could be purchased this year. 

"This year [buy] I think so," said Luhut.

With the recent incursions by PRC fishing boats escorted by PRC Coast Guards in Natuna is making Indonesia more determined to buy 138 -140 meters Naval Vessels for the Indonesian Navy and built more Coast Guard vessels this year.
https://tirto.id/cina-langgar-zona-laut-nat...ita-kurang-eqor

Iver huitfeldt is incoming.....bravo to indonesia government.
Meanwhile....james shoal already occupied for some years.
Need to learn from SG. Even if your are small but must show that you can't be bullied easily.

138 meter is definitely Iver Huitfeldt...but it's outclassed by Type 052D

Chinese have six Type 052 C/D destroyers in South Sea Fleet alone

Beside the Danish Iver Huitfeldt and the Dutch Damen Omega Frigate competing for Indonesia Future Frigate there is also another European country offering its frigate and its a proven design.

Omega seems to have four 8-cell VLS packages, similar to Sylver (32 cells in total). If it will use Aster, then Omega is roughly on par with Formidable class

I think that is an old Omega Frigate picture. The proposed Omega Frigate which Damen dubbed as FFI (Future Frigate Indonesia) is equipped with Millenium Gun CIWS.



Credit to Navy Recognition.

I haven't kept myself updated,

Whatever the design is, I hope it will not be less than 32 VLS cells...

Having two Millenniums may seem nice, but the focus should be on fleet defense, not self-defense.

Well i hope so too. Btw there is only 1 Millennium Gun on the Omega Frigate model.

So, what's above the hangar?

Weapons and other sensors

The weapons and sensor suite depends on customers requirements as usual. However the scale model on display at Indodefence shows the Omega frigate fitted with a 127mm main gun by leonardo, a 76mm secondary gun (non penetrating variant) by Leonardo on top of the helicopter hangar, a Rheinmetall Millenium CIWS, 2x Leonardo Hitrole remote weapon stations, 8x Kongsberg NSM anti-ship missiles, 4x Rheinmetall MASS decoy launchers, a Thales Kingklip hull mounted sonar and a Captas-4 variable depth sonar, 4x satellite link antennas and 2x Thales Mirador EO systems. For air defense, the scale model shows 24x VLS cells (likely VL MICA NG for Indonesia or ESSM Block 2 for Netherlands and Belgium).

how natuna location in map is under indon.. kek

inb4 laut cina prc selatan
kalimantan connected to borneo later kena ccp nuked all burn togheyther