Now I taking electronic engineering degree course in local private university. From what I heard from people and also from the net, we can be a default graduate engineer member in IEM. To be able to have IR in front of your name, we have to do the extra work very much like taking masters during the first 2-3 years after graduation. Then finally we need a senior IR's approval on the proposal, and let him recommend us to IEM to become associate member.

It is very difficult to me to achieve that. As I am actually not interested into hardcore electronics stuff, I have failed electronics subjects before and my Maths sucks. I am aiming to work as sales engineer or administration stuff, with minimal involvement in circuit stuff. So I guess that having IR or not isn't that important to me.

But I still would like to know, how many of the electronic/electrical engineers today are Profesional IR? Will life be miserable for those non-IR engineers?

is up to u whether u wan to be a professional engineer (Ir)
but to be a Professional engineer(Ir) in electronic..quite difficult as u quite hard to find a mentor.
however,for electrical.u can easily get someone to be ur mentor.if u work in LV...abit hard...preferable in MV or HV...brighter future to be Proffesional Engineer.
not necessary must take Master course unless BEM not recognise ur college/Uni.

What about Mechanical engineer to be IR? I have BEng in Mechatronics?

i personally feel that getting the IR is definitely not necessary if you DO NOT plan to be one of the following:

1) civil engineer
2) consultant engineer (mostly in electrical field)

being a professional engineer (PE) means you have the authority to sign blueprints/floorplans, in which you will be held responsible for if there are any defects/failures/problems.

strictly speaking, only a civil engineer who will approve building floorplans & a consultant electrical engineer who needs to verify the circuit designs will need to be a qualified PE, and mind you they carry heavy responsibility for it.

if you are just an engineer in manufacturing factory/service engineer/sales engineer it is not necessary to be a qualified PE as you would not be required to approve any designs that involve public safety.

i am getting it for personal satisfaction... to prove 2 myself i am qualified... damn... the fees is killing me

Geez why are u still doing engineering then? Your planned path sounds kinda iffy to me

Wow srsly? now i feel motivated

wat the .... i am working as a sales engineer and trust me its Harder than u think. Unless the company u r working for is not that good.


Besides most ppl u deal with are ir engineers . Of course when u have ir u r automatically become some imba engineer around with starting pay at least 20k .


anyway back to the topic, Sales Engineer need to coordinate with consultants or contractors and need to know the technicalities of the product u r selling. In my situation, i need to know how to design the product from scratch, know how to improvise it, test it ... and once sales is done coordinate the payment.


Of course u do the quality control urself too as most ppl deal with u will expect the item to be good at if not ur name goes down even when the company has qc.


The only good thing about this work is, working time flexible and if u r single u get to go many places around malaysia .... and sometimes u give incentive to ppl for buying the product where u get to enjoy the incentives along too.





Something NOT RELEVENT, then go work in hr .... its easy like shit . Of course HR ppl will think otherwise cos most of them in that department arent that smart .

is it true that electrical engineering 1 of the hardest in engineering field ?

actually you are wrong here.. you dont have to take master degree to obtain IR title. just with bachelor degree in engineering (but must recognized by BEM) will entitled you to apply as a professional engineer. what you need to do is you 1st you must register with BEM as a graduated engineer. then you must undergo for at least 3 years working experience in your engineering field and along the period you must prepare a logbooks with approval from professional engineer (IR) and he will act as your mentor. then after you completed 3 years working period you must apply to BEM for interview session then u need to take special exam. after you pass all of these procedure then you will get the licensed professional engineer (IR) title.

FYI if register with IEM u only can use abbreviation -Engr- infront of your name.

FYI, beside strong techical knowledge, an Ir also must possess a strong connection. As for professional people(Ar, Ir, etc) whom are chartered are not only wise, but mostly are politically well connected.....

and I notice a lot of Civil Ir are not consultant themselves, but developer,main contractor etc......



not quite...As for simple project say shoplot, residential, mostly will follow local government standard and wont even care to design/specifically plan for it. unless you have a mega project like KLCC.... and even they plan, dont worry, mostly manufacturer will plan for consultant andconsult do what they do... approve!!!!!

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Added on June 19, 2011, 9:42 amyou can say that...

In fact, all three major Engineering field require your great imagination....

1) mechanical- to imagine and visualise the movement of fluid,dynamic,dynamic of heat etc... which is not visible to naked eye
2) civil- to visualise the bending moment, the cracking, vibration of structure
3) Electrical.... to visualize the pathway of current that can run generator etc....

Why E&E is difficult? cos it is darn complcated... you can have a complicated circuit like Newyork road as big as grain of sand....

This post has been edited by Awakened_Angel: Jun 19 2011, 09:42 AM

hard bcoz u r studying things that u dun really see~ try troubleshoot a circuit that is not functioning but physically it is all good~ u have to run a series of test to find out the fault~ and most of the time u dun deal with wires, u deal with numbers~ matrices operation, laplace transforms, fourier transforms, differentiation and integration, all are your daily foods~

no.if you look back to the number of EE graduates grad from university on the past year you will see that the number is higher than mechanical engineering graduates. civi>electrical>mechanical

I LOL-ed.

Numbers is not a gauge of difficulty. So when I tell you that we produce more business graduates per year, then a business degree is more difficult than a medical degree?

for electronic engineering not important (Ir) is important for civil engineering when u want to get contract from the Government.....

Engineers who go into consultancy need to get their Ir. Like the license to drive, it is the license to be a consultant.
Civil engineers need to be registered as Ir. as they need to deal (as in getting approvals) with the government authorities all the time - approvals for buildings, structural and civil works. Construction works cannot be carried out without all the approvals.

Electronic engineers generally do not have to deal with the authorities much. Electrical engineers especially dealing with power have to deal with the TNB and Telekom. Mechanical engineers deal with the Machinery Dept and Fire Dept.

You need more than Ir to get contracts from the Government. You need the kulitfication and connections.

This post has been edited by tehtmc: Jan 31 2012, 12:59 AM

try petroleum engineering. u'll be amazed to know that it needs a combination of mechanical + civil + electrical + geology knowledge to become a petroleum engineer.

All types of engineer played their own part. U maybe a civil or mechanical or electrical or chemical or others.. but somehow all these engineers will come across each other in the end. that's y engineers alwiz work together. but if you are the leader of a certain project, u maybe need to know or have a little bit of knowledge about everything. For example, you are a mechanical engineer but u dunno any chemical process or electrical things, u will have to absorbed some of their knowledge in order for you to be successful in your project.
Normally, IR will become the head of project or a consultant of a certain project. If u are interested to be one then IR should be your choice. There are others who will try to get the title just to prove to themselves, they are engineers. To me, IR is just a title like 'Tan Sri' in the royal title.. haha.. u may not earn as much money with a same engineer without an IR title in the end. So, its your choice, and yes with IR u will have a better future no doubt about it, cause when u are on the road to get the title, the path is not that easy.. ur experience counts too..! =)

I think you have to check it out from IEM. As I know, IEM only recognises specified local public universities' graduate of engineering to be graduate engineer without examination.

It is not necessary to get your IR based on your degree. You can get your IR in different scope even it is not your degree. You just need to do is to find a qualified engineer to guide and to be your seconder. Secondly, is you have to do extra efforts in "charity contribution" to society. The contribution is not counted as once, it's years of experience.

IR is qualified Engineer, he is entitled to approve the engineering projects. Whether earning much or not, yes it could be. Why not, compare to Apple to Apple, IR do give you advantage to you. Normally consulting firms will ask you to be their partners. My sister who is IR holder. She is managing partner in a Engineering consulting firm in Johor, Malaysia.

Good luck to you!

It is more like certifying and undertaking the responsibility.
If anything goes wrong, as in a building collapse, he is fully liable and can even to jail in other countries (not so much in Malaysia lah).
The approving authorities are the government.

professional interview questions conducted by IEM last year: