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Dr.Jay
post Feb 1 2023, 05:41 AM

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QUOTE(Patent @ Jan 24 2023, 01:45 PM)
Pretty good latency to eu.. interesting
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QUOTE(yenchenje @ Jan 29 2023, 11:32 PM)
Wanted to quote from Dr. Jay's post, all things considered, their ping to Luxemborg is actually really good, 150ms ish to Frankfurt, my Unifi ping to my Hetzner is 220-290ms.. Wonder how their routing is done..
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Very interesting indeed..
Repeated the test many2 times, in many2 different peak hours, across all Europe, same result 150-170.

My previous provider TIME (don't shoot me plz, its my favorite ISP, forced to change due to unavailability)
was around 220-290ms, same as Unifi (as Yenchenje mention), no-where near of Gigabit.

My 3 suspects would be,
1. Due to their heavy use of Microwave link infra, may Google, its 2xtimes faster latency vs physical fiber, but smaller bandwidth capacity.
2. They use XPON instead of GPON on their fiber infra, may Google the difference. (TIME and Unifi is on GPON)
This 2 may not be noticeable on shorter distance, but collectively on longer distance like Europe, theoretically, it should make a difference.
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3. According to HE routing list..
Simplified/direct routing on Gigabit = Less routing delay perhaps?
Also, few non-existence routing on TIME/Unifi routing, but exist on Gigabit.
(Ref TIME vs Ref Unifi vs Ref Gigabit)

I could be wrong... maybe if someone more expert can check and explain

This post has been edited by Dr.Jay: Feb 1 2023, 05:47 AM
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post Feb 1 2023, 08:21 PM

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QUOTE(Dr.Jay @ Feb 1 2023, 05:41 AM)
Very interesting indeed..
Repeated the test many2 times, in many2 different peak hours, across all Europe, same result 150-170.

My previous provider TIME (don't shoot me plz, its my favorite ISP, forced to change due to unavailability)
was around 220-290ms, same as Unifi (as Yenchenje mention), no-where near of Gigabit.

My 3 suspects would be,
1. Due to their heavy use of Microwave link infra, may Google, its 2xtimes faster latency vs physical fiber, but smaller bandwidth capacity.
2. They use XPON instead of GPON on their fiber infra, may Google the difference. (TIME and Unifi is on GPON)
This 2 may not be noticeable on shorter distance, but collectively on longer distance like Europe, theoretically, it should make a difference.
.....
3. According to HE routing list..
Simplified/direct routing on Gigabit = Less routing delay perhaps?
Also, few non-existence routing on TIME/Unifi routing, but exist on Gigabit.
(Ref TIME vs Ref Unifi vs Ref Gigabit)

I could be wrong... maybe if someone more expert can check and explain
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I'll tell you why Gigabit Fiber has better pings than the other major ISPs.

1) Number of hops: Your Gigabit Fiber setup is probably just 1-2 hops away from the datacentre in the city from the CPE/modem you're using. Unlike TM/TIME multi service networks which are big and span by regions there will be more hops needed to travel through regional gateways, switches and finally reach the datacentre where it exits the country.

2) A smaller ISP which is still unknown to public with a small number of customers: Congestion hasn't caught up yet with Gigabit Fiber's network. The availability is still very limited so their network can still have lots of unused capacity. TM and TIME both very popular ISPs which monopolized most of the country's internet connections have peak hours when everyone gets online simultaneously. The company's major upload provider is HE(Hurricane Electric)

FYI it's still GPON. They won't be supplying XGS-PON yet because CPEs pricing are still on the higher side.
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post Feb 1 2023, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 1 2023, 08:21 PM)
I'll tell you why Gigabit Fiber has better pings than the other major ISPs.

1) Number of hops: Your Gigabit Fiber setup is probably just 1-2 hops away from the datacentre in the city from the CPE/modem you're using. Unlike TM/TIME multi service networks which are big and span by regions there will be more hops needed to travel through regional gateways, switches and finally reach the datacentre where it exits the country.

2) A smaller ISP which is still unknown to public with a small number of customers: Congestion hasn't caught up yet with Gigabit Fiber's network. The availability is still very limited so their network can still have lots of unused capacity. TM and TIME both very popular ISPs which monopolized most of the country's internet connections have peak hours when everyone gets online simultaneously. The company's major upload provider is HE(Hurricane Electric)

FYI it's still GPON. They won't be supplying XGS-PON yet because CPEs pricing are still on the higher side.
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I see. Thank you for the information.
So basically, we have to not tell others of this ISP,
to keep it small and at peek performance, i suppose. 😅

Regarding the GPON, it is strange thou,
the modem they gave is XPON, written on the back of their modem.
I did try to connect the fiber, on 3x different GPON device,
to no-success, was the signal detectable.
Now I'm not sure what is it, since you mentioned XPON is expensive.

Attached is the XPON device they gave, for you to check what it is.
They operate only on, single-device, fiber connect to it, wifi comes out of it, no separate device like in Time/Unifi.
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This post has been edited by Dr.Jay: Feb 2 2023, 01:56 AM
yenchenje
post Feb 2 2023, 04:40 AM

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QUOTE(Dr.Jay @ Feb 1 2023, 11:57 PM)
I see. Thank you for the information.
So basically, we have to not tell others of this ISP,
to keep it small and at peek performance, i suppose. 😅

Regarding the GPON, it is strange thou,
the modem they gave is XPON, written on the back of their modem.
I did try to connect the fiber, on 3x different GPON device,
to no-success, was the signal detectable.
Now I'm not sure what is it, since you mentioned XPON is expensive.

Attached is the XPON device they gave, for you to check what it is.
They operate only on, single-device, fiber connect to it, wifi comes out of it, no separate device like in Time/Unifi.
user posted image
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If I’m not wrong, GFB might me trying to future proof their customer for upcoming 10gb infra, from anime4000’s ditching ONU post, one user in there said that there was dark fiber in Malaysia that supposedly reached 10gbps, but only in Cyberjaya or w/e, GFB might be that exact provider, and then doing XPON instead of GPON might just to be future proofing their customer, and locking them into just using their equipment as opposed to other ISP seperating ONU/Router, and you can upgrade at will.
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post Feb 2 2023, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Dr.Jay @ Feb 1 2023, 11:57 PM)
I see. Thank you for the information.
So basically, we have to not tell others of this ISP,
to keep it small and at peek performance, i suppose. 😅

Regarding the GPON, it is strange thou,
the modem they gave is XPON, written on the back of their modem.
I did try to connect the fiber, on 3x different GPON device,
to no-success, was the signal detectable.
Now I'm not sure what is it, since you mentioned XPON is expensive.

Attached is the XPON device they gave, for you to check what it is.
They operate only on, single-device, fiber connect to it, wifi comes out of it, no separate device like in Time/Unifi.
user posted image
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XPON is non standardized unlike ITU's GPON and IEEE's EPON standards.

It's basically the universal version created by China companies to merge both GPON and EPON standards so that the CPE can accept either standards at the headend of the ODN. Still it is still considered just a 2nd gen PON standard.

Huawei Enterprise - xPON Definition

The main parameters of the xPON network are as follows:
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●Multi-service support capabilities: to achieve full-service (including ATM, Ethernet, TDM) support capabilities with strict QoS guarantee, for business optimization, support downlink cable TV transmission through WDM;

Automatic identification and management of EPON and GPON access cards;

●Support 1:32 branch ability;

●The transmission distance is not more than 20 kilometers;

Upstream and downstream symmetric line rate 1.244Gbit/s. Support port traffic statistics function;

●Support dynamic and static bandwidth allocation functions.

●Support multicast and multicast functions
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post Feb 2 2023, 11:51 AM

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QUOTE(yenchenje @ Feb 2 2023, 04:40 AM)
If I’m not wrong, GFB might me trying to future proof their customer for upcoming 10gb infra, from anime4000’s ditching ONU post, one user in there said that there was dark fiber in Malaysia that supposedly reached 10gbps, but only in Cyberjaya or w/e, GFB might be that exact provider, and then doing XPON instead of GPON might just to be future proofing their customer, and locking them into just using their equipment as opposed to other ISP seperating ONU/Router, and you can upgrade at will.
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When the need arrives for 10G, the ISP needs to swap both the line card/transceivers/splitters/CPEs at both ends of the ODN to enable the service. It uses different wavelengths than current 2nd gen GPON/EPON in the same fibre.

What I meant earlier was 2nd gen PON equipment are very cheap and abundant in the market right now. It makes sense why XPON tranceivers/modems were supplied is because it universally accepts either GPON/EPON headend equipments having the advantage of self-tuning.

TM has also recently deployed XPON ONTs/modems not too long ago. That's why you can now use different brand ONTs with their headend OLTs nowadays.
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post Feb 2 2023, 08:03 PM

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QUOTE(petpenyubobo @ Feb 2 2023, 11:51 AM)
When the need arrives for 10G, the ISP needs to swap both the line card/transceivers/splitters/CPEs at both ends of the ODN to enable the service. It uses different wavelengths than current 2nd gen GPON/EPON in the same fibre.

What I meant earlier was 2nd gen PON equipment are very cheap and abundant in the market right now. It makes sense why XPON tranceivers/modems were supplied is because it universally accepts either GPON/EPON headend equipments having the advantage of self-tuning.

TM has also recently deployed XPON ONTs/modems not too long ago. That's why you can now use different brand ONTs with their headend OLTs nowadays.
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Ah makes sense, thanks for the explanation, hoping that we'll get news on 10G officially in Malaysia soon. Colossally overkill but if the price is right, maybe Malaysia can be one of the internet players in the world that offers 10G after KR, FR. rclxm9.gif

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