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jaycee1
post Oct 30 2022, 03:13 PM

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As mentioned previously, I ordered a Zeus GJ613 helmet for a spare and here is the Part 1 of the review. Part 2 and final verdict will come after I get to test ride with it on.

Price paid : 280 (from shopee after various discounts and with free shipping)

Size M, 1320g. Convertible type open face with removable chin bar, built in sunvisor, Single layer EPS, Aug 2022 production date.




Initial impressions.

Feels like a cheap budget lid. Meaning everything feels clunky and the plastic bits feels cheap. Fitment is good although pads feels much less plush but on par for the budget. I wasnt expecting the same build quality as my Rpha 70 of course. Slightly wider than my HJC so might fit rounder heads better.


good
Built in sunvisor
Removable pads. Not bad quality for a budget lid.
Micrometric strap feels secure
ECE 22/05 P/J rated
Ventilation looks decent with very deep channels in the EPS and 3 intake and 3 exhaust vents that line up with the EPS channels.
Speaker pockets (although shallow) not yet test fit coms yet.
Exceptionally good visibility
Lightweight




Bad
Visor in your eyeline when open. This is due to the unusually wide visor
Visor fogs easily (no pin lock)
Sunvisor don't come low enough



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post Oct 30 2022, 07:10 PM

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Now I just have to find the peak accessory for it. Turn it into a budget Nolan N70X
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post Oct 30 2022, 11:32 PM

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Part 2 review of the Zeus GJ613. Road test.
City and highway, speeds up to 150. About 1hr ride.

Addendum to first review. The helmet does have eyeglass channels in the EPS. Tested with normal glasses and sunglasses. The drop down sunvisor clears glasses...but YMMV


Good
Excellent visibility. The field of view is amazing.
Aerodynamically quite stable at speed. Turning the head at speed don't result in any appreciable torque.
Lightweight. You barely feel you have a helmet on.
Visor is optically decent despite not being flat. No appreciable distortion or internal reflection at night.

Bad
Very very VERY loud. Wind noise becomes prevalent from 50kmh, any speeds over 100 will require earplugs. Wind noise reduces a little when in clean air but remains loud (my windshield create a lot of turbulence just under the neck)
Closing the vents dont make much noticeable noise reduction.

Undetermined
Ventilation was not as good as expected given the extensive vents and EPS air channels. It was not hot, but I didn't feel my head being cooled.

Weather sealing not tested. Will wait for a wet day to test again.

Felt a bit of pressure on the ears but will have to wait for the helmet to season up first to judge overall comfort. The paddings felt quite thin and hard on this 1hr ride.



verdict
Feels like all the 280rm I paid for it. Helmet buyers would probably be better served by an entry level branded full face helmet from HJC or equivalent.

Granted, to be fair, this helmet isn't targeted at big bike riders that will do big speeds, and thus, if you are looking for a city helmet with a sunvisor for a kapchai or small scooter, they might work for you in a pinch. Although if you are looking for an open face helmet with a visor, you might consider the Givi M30.3 or the new M35


FWIW, while I may consider Noise levels to be high, but do take into consideration my main helmet is one of the quietest in the market.
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post Oct 31 2022, 04:20 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Oct 31 2022, 01:02 PM)
Does your helmet have removable chin strap cover/pad?

(other than shoei arai)

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My Rpha 70 has. Not sure about other HJC helmets
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post Nov 1 2022, 02:01 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Nov 1 2022, 12:51 PM)
the thing with shoei...
purposely use this material that will kecai even with minimal usage,
and the sponge... rm6xx turns to powder in few years...

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All helmets with his vinyl finish also eventually will happen. My HJC sit inside box also started to peel. Replaced under warranty. My MT Atom this trim layer crack after 6 months of use.

Only way to go about this is get helmets with only fabric or real leather for the trim.
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post Nov 1 2022, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Nov 1 2022, 03:49 PM)
there are one shell size helmet tht pass new ece
and the size s use alot padding oso
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I can't imagine a helmet with only 1 shell size. That means your S and M size will have a lot of padding....and you may look like a bobble head if you are smaller in stature.


Generally, midrange helmets will have at most 2 shell sizes. XS, S and Maybe M, and L to 2XL share the other bigger shell. My MT Atom has XS,S / M to 2xl. I wear a M so ended up with a bobble head 2XL shell.....and the super thick padding while very comfortable at first, got loose within 6 months of use.

My new M sized Zeus 613 may have the same XS - M shell, which explains why the M size I wear has very thin padding.

More premium helmets will have 3 or more shell sizes. XS, S / M,L / XL to 3XL.

My Rpha 70 has 3 shell sizes as the above. So my M size gets the L shell but with thicker padding. Not ideal but it wasn't too bad.

Selecting the correct shell size means you get the correct padding and EPS sizes, not to mention a slimmer fit and lighter weight. But sometimes manufacturers don't put this info out....unless you are buying a premium helmet and many shell sizes are a USP for them.

Some AGV and Bell helmets have 4 or 5 shell sizes....so almost everyone can get the best, slimmest fit.

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As an example. The cheekpads of the Zeus (left), Rhpa 70 (middle) and MT Atom (right). Notice just how much thicker the padding on the MT is. And this is after loosening up in use.

My HJC is the most comfortable of the 3, but as it should be, it costs a few times more. Despite it having a L shell, it's overall outlook is slimmer than the likely S shell of the Zeus, owing to the thinner carbon/Kevlar shell and multi density EPS that the other 2 lacks.

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post Nov 4 2022, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(gimcrack @ Nov 4 2022, 05:13 PM)
Actually my size is 48cm to be exact and that translate to a 4XL.

I ordered online (HJC i90 5XL) but the customs blocked it (POS Malaysia near the airport)! I opened the box infront of them and fit the helmet which is perfect! Not loose or tight! They didnt let me take the helmet and told me to get a JPJ approval which I did and got denied. So I ended up to return to seller. 

I found one half face in Shoppee but you know its not that genuine, but what to do?

I want a full face and the most important is a safe and reliable helmet. But this ruling that you we have, here in Malaysia is bias for big size head. They should have at least exceptions.

If you can recommend a shop or a number to contact to buy a full face helmet then I appreciate it and thanks in advance!
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Sure not a typo? 48cm? How do you measure it?

58cm is the upper limit of size M.

4XL is certainly and outlier size. Quite a lot of time is a headshape issue

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post Nov 4 2022, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(gimcrack @ Nov 4 2022, 06:17 PM)
No E mark I suppose. That's why I got denied. No specific info in the letter. I even asked my colleague to translate it since I don't speak bahasa.

I message in HJC FB but they said only 3XL

If your helmet got E marking inside and at the back of the helmet there is a slim chance that the customs will let it slide and you can take home your helmet. Or if the customs is in a good mood. 

If not then you need to submit an email or go JPJ Putrajaya to submit and your helmet will stay with the customs.

It takes 21 business days they say but for mine it took 15 days and multiple calls to follow up. Which they sent to a wrong email.  bangwall.gif

How to contact sentul?

EDIT: I bought it in Amazon US
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HJCs should have E mark. Especially from a Rpha line.

However, there are cases where extraordinarily large helmets don't get tested because there is less demand for it. Case in point some of the 4xl and 5xl helmets might just get a DOT sticker, because for DOT, they don't actually need to test it as DOT can be a self declaration.

I don't know if it helps to get a medical letter for a large head to get custom exception ...hmmmmm

As for NKS , you can just go their distribution office and look for Mak. 012 236 3397. Nice guy. Did the warranty claim for my HJC.

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post Nov 4 2022, 07:25 PM

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QUOTE(gimcrack @ Nov 4 2022, 05:13 PM)
Actually my size is 48cm to be exact and that translate to a 4XL.

I ordered online (HJC i90 5XL) but the customs blocked it (POS Malaysia near the airport)! I opened the box infront of them and fit the helmet which is perfect! Not loose or tight!
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Actually if you ever end up with the i90 again assuming your measurements for the 4xl size and headshape, maybe go for the 4xl instead of the 5xl. New helmets should be tight. A "perfect" fitting helmet may end up loose after a few months of use.

It is quite likely (and I'm guessing here) these larger helmets all share the same shell so only the padding size is different. Get the tightest helmet that you can comfortably wear without hotspots.
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post Nov 6 2022, 05:53 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Nov 5 2022, 04:27 PM)
wow never knew that zeus is dual homologated.
nice find!

tried it once before.
gonna have to take a look at it. cheap for daily trashing helmet.
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Yep. Was pleasantly surprised as well.

My old MT Atom modular is also P/J .

But after testing the Zeus, you might be better off with a better helmet. The wind noise on the Zeus is very bad. But I suppose short trips to the Taman shops are ok, which is what I bought it for. Anything over 80 is almost unbearable.

They just brought in the scorpion ADX2 just days after getting the Zeus. Wtf. Looks like will be adding another to my helmet collection. Was holding off on the ADX1 because it was only P homologated. (New ADX2 is 22.06 P/J)

QUOTE(areasontolive68 @ Nov 6 2022, 03:53 PM)
Yup, first big crash. Fractured left ankle. Car suddenly change into my lorong. Had no time to brake and flew a couple of feet and hit my head pretty hard. Helmet took most of the impact and my gloves too. I'm so blessed I decided to wear full riding gear that day.
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Get well soon bro. Good that you were wearing protective gear. You landed on your foot?. What shoes were you wearing?

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post Nov 7 2022, 07:33 AM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Nov 7 2022, 05:26 AM)
Get well soon bro.
I've tried the adx1 few times.
Quite uncomfortable for me.

Have yet to try the adx2. Any other place that carries them other than motorworld?
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If not mistaken, I think motorworld is the main importer and distributor. But I know excel bikers in seremban has them as well.
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post Nov 7 2022, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(gataddhin @ Nov 7 2022, 09:06 AM)
My friend has been waiting ADX2 since April. I do not think Motoworld is bringing in ADX2.
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Is it? Motorworld told me they would be getting the ADX2 end of October. I assumed theya re already in as Excel Bikers was advertising them on its FB page.
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post Nov 11 2022, 05:16 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Nov 11 2022, 04:06 PM)
The X-lites are so cheap!
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Wow...that is really cheap. Good deal.
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post Nov 11 2022, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Nov 11 2022, 08:01 PM)
Those with big discounts are "left overs" .  Odd sizes
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But the X lite 403GT carbon has S,M,L, XL available. 1.3k after discount vouchers....damn good price for a carbon lid.

I'm wondering if it's really really old stock.....
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post Nov 14 2022, 04:43 PM

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Just went to motorworld PJ's and test out the ADX2.

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Helmet is big. M size I wear shares the same shell size of M-2XL. Heavier than the ADX1 by 150g. At 1750g it's heavy but to be expected for a modular adventure helmet. Lining is quite comfortable. But sizing is off. While the M ADX1 fits me perfectly, the M ADX2 is a bit loose. No size S for me to test so maybe have to go to one of he dealers as they already shipped out most of the inventory to dealers. Hopefully the S size would fit. And will benefit from the smaller shell so would look less bobbleheaded.

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post Nov 22 2022, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Nov 21 2022, 10:23 PM)
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I found the Peak for the 613 on shopee if you are interested. Then it can match your nolan. hahaha.


How did you find the 613? Noisy?

Ironically, I found it a little quieter WITHOUT the chin bar installed. Thats some weird aero for you... hahaha.
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post Nov 22 2022, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(paskal @ Nov 22 2022, 01:57 PM)
its really noisy
like really really noisy

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Hahaha. Yeah it is. Didn't read my review? Just curious why still get it.

That day took a pillion 1 HR ride. She used this helmet ..refused ear plugs. Maybe she partially deaf Liao... Had to keep speeds below 120. But maybe not as bad as pillion as windblast is blocked by me.
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post Dec 22 2022, 10:36 PM

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QUOTE(xnobys @ Dec 19 2022, 11:45 AM)
I am now on the lookout for a small open-faced helmet. Some might call them a 'steng' helmet that could fit into the under seat of a Vespa.

I am really keen on either HJC i40, AGV Orbyt or Shark Nano. Am not sure if these could fit into the under seat compartment.

Recommendations other that those 3 above is very much appreciated before I take the plunge. Thanks
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Aiyoo...vespa rider,

go get a biltwell gringo lor....colour matched to your bike.
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post Dec 23 2022, 05:28 PM

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QUOTE(xnobys @ Dec 23 2022, 10:45 AM)
Gringo is a full face helmet, right? Doubt that it could fit into the under seat compartment.
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It's one of the slimmest and smallest full face helmet. Go test it lor. Assuming you don't have an XXXL head.

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post Aug 24 2023, 01:17 PM

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QUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Aug 23 2023, 02:16 PM)
Biggest problem is that the batteries don't last very long on these, requiring you to either plug them into the USB port or manually charge them off the bike every night (if you ride to work). And it's such a faff having to remember to switch them on and off every time you ride. Worse is if you mount them on the bike, coz you also need to take them off and screw them back on too coz they're thief magnets.

The whole point of having a DVR is so that it can switch on, record and switch off automatically without you even thinking about it.

Me, I just want to hop on my bike, thumb the starter button and eff off. Anything that gets in the way of this process is a no-go.
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And if you do get into an accident, and if you are incapacitated, the cam will be the first thing that gets stolen from your bike.


Well some find more uses for action cams......and usually the image quality is better.

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