I lie about my last drawn salary, tempered the payslip, will HR find out? How?

It's not a lie if you are not caught

Liar is a liar and irreversible. If get cough your career is over in that company.

You're assuming HR is still wet behind the ears.

They will find out you lied about your previous salary.

How?

Your IC.

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All employers is required to contribute to the employee's EPF, about 11-12% (or more) from your basic salary.

Thus, with your IC number, they are able to retrieve your monthly/yearly EPF statement from the KWSP Portal, and calculate your monthly basic.

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How I know? Because I kantoi the candidates I've interviewed; right on the spot.

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You. Are. Screwed.

If you're hired, the company have the grounds to dismiss you and potentially sue you for fraud.

If you're an interviewee, consider yourself lucky that they won't contact you for future opportunity, if found guilty.

This post has been edited by LarryPizzaGuy: Nov 5 2019, 09:05 PM

An employer can do that?

Once I hired a candidate after he gave me a copy of his last drawn salary. I gave him the required addition on top of his old salary.

He worked for almost one month.

All was fine and dandy until I began to have suspicions and faxed the salary slip to the HR of his former company and asked them to authenticate the payslip.

They came back to me and declared the payslip to be false.

This employee was called in and to cut the story short promptly fired for fraud without compensation. His employment was annulled.

So TS, for the rest of your employment you will work under the shadow of summary dismissal without compensation.

Nah, we don't need to do this. A call to the former employer would suffice.

Easy.

Larry, ts mentioned he lied. U also want to lie?

Will I be able to check ah heng ali and muthu salary if just input their ic?

Should never lied even if you think your last drawn salary is underpaid.
They can easily contact your previous company to validate the payslip.

Not sure about EPF but other agencies like RAM do sell these info, however employer/companies not allowed to do that unless u gave signed permission.

Thought our salary is confidential ...how come one call to HR can find out so easily..lol...

HR abit lazy right...should check everything and make clear before the hiring.

there was once i lied about my past position to get a job in my current company.....i got the job and still working here for few months already...

While it's true there are ways for HR to find out, I'd also point out that most don't even bother authenticating salary slips unless they look unbelievably fake/tempered. HR tends to be inclined to give benefit of doubt, which should work to your favour.

If it's too late to come clean already, eg. you started the job then you might as well do your best work there and be prepared to have plans b or c for the one day you are discovered.

Either be insanely good at your job and indispensable to the point that the company won't be able to fire you even if they have the grounds for it (say, you are a big rain-maker). Or work an absolute minimum of 1.5-2 years and then jump. And never ever do this again.

So do HR really wants to authenticate the payslip if another company fax them "hey is this payslip genuine or fake?"

What the normal procedure if you are HR and you received such requests to authenticate.

I bet HR could just ignore it as spam?

dont bother

if they want u in the 1st place the will negotiate regardless of your payslip

Can't blame HR. The payslip looked genuine at first glance. Little do we know it's falsified.

When we dismissed the employee, we didn't even pay him his salary amounting to 3k+.

We regularly cooperate with other companies on the job performance and pay of our former employees.

No issue at all.

I lied about my height and weight......
no dare to lie on my previous job salary tho

I humbly disagree.

Height and weight are mostly small matter unless you are applying for the armed forces, aviation, oil and gas and the like.

These things are not worth lying. I mean, if you're not what you claim to be, you can be easily found out.

Good of you not to lie on your salary though.

The Sword of Damocles is hanging over you.

Up to HR whether they want to nail you to the cross.

HR 1, Employee 0.

usually HR will just ignore, or tekan your expected salary lower. this is their job or KPI i suppose.

Come on, this is not Kopitiam

Don't bullshit around with such statement

You don't have access to such confidentiality information

And U're criminal in my view.

Why request if ignored?

There are reasons why some co ask for SPM cert even though you have a degree.

Sudahlah... company wont give a f*ck for few hundreds difference

No what the HR guy said is true. Once you sign the form where they could do a background check on you, they can find out anything about you.

What I want to know is, how much is the difference ? I lied about few hundreds (add my allowance together with my basic), they don't mind though. At least for now.

Lying about it verbally or even in an email is probably not the end of the world... but faking a payslip? Man, that’s rough

That's fraud, pure and simple.

Nice syok sendiri story..and how would u retrieve the info from kwsp portal on the spot? Ask the candidate to give user id & password? If u say make a call to the former employer we all believe..but this kawan..rili cerita sejuk la u have there

I think this is not true. It's not possible to get any employee's EPF info direct from EPF. But then we don't have to.

Employers normally validate claims with a candidate's former or even current employer.

Dia punya sembang...

But for TS, actually it's not okay when you lied about your salary/pay slip. Usually, if you re shortlisted, HR will cross check your background, is it the same like you put into your resume/cv, about your work, your relation between the team. They will not ask about your salary.
Please dont do it again. Just be honest, and during salary negotiation, just justify why you put the expected amount in the first place.
Good luck.

EPF don't lie bruh.

Hiring companies have the right to request for your EPF statement instead of your Monthly pay slip (which can be manipulated, just like TS).

Are you implying that it is "just" to falsify your payslip to future employer?

How is it criminal for an employer to conduct background checks on employee to ensure that the candidate is suited for the company?

To root out the ill behaved employees who could potentially damage the reputation of the company.

Is it criminal?

Are u sure? Even before they hired you?
Why would EPF do that? Isnt it P&C ?

They can do this? I thought it's P&C??

Both EPF and Pay Slip are P&C.

However, employers have the right to request for either both to justify providing the hiring employee their new pay.

EPF is more "secure" and less prone to be manipulated.

Much like applying for credit card, the bank will request for your EPF/Income Tax Receipt/Pay Slip to verify that you've met the annual income for the credit card.

First say, can access epf.

Now this?

Make up your mind.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Nov 6 2019, 01:19 PM

Where additional proof is required, any hiring company can respectfully ask the candidate for the EPF statement to corroborate the salary claim, though I have never done so myself.

The candidate can volunteer such information and be a step closer to getting the job, or he can decline the request, and he will run the risk of his application being declined.

kekekeke request from candidate is it?? say properly lah.


Anyway wtf would i need to justify my previous salary? If the company thinks im not fit for my requested salary then by all means dont farking hire me.

I did.

Apparently you didn't read my statement and comprehend correctly.

Please go back and read carefully; then come back and edit your post.

Push and Pull.

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Why demand RM10,000 if the company thinks you're only worth RM6,000?

Would you wanna work for them?

Do you think your demanded salary of RM10,000 is "justified"?

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Its all about how you negotiate your salary; everything must have base and fact; not numbers being plucked out from the sky.

all ppl here just guessing HR will check epf....any real HR here can tell us what is the real deal? and how exactly they do that?

epf statement can also easily tempered because u can save it in PDF then use PDF editor to change the value...

The real deal is when applicant's info creates doubts.

Yes.

In my experience as HR for so many years, I have seen a lot.

Fake MC, fake salary claim, fake claims.

Sighhh...

So u obtained these things 'on the spot' just like your cool story?

The signing of PDPA form during interview session means you already gave the rights for the potential hiring company to check on all the details you provided. They are "forcing" you to show your cards while they keep theirs, a.k.a hold the rights to investigate if they deemed the documents you provided are falsified.

then I suppose only Larry's story kick in, to request from KWSP/EPF for your slips or elsewhere I have no idea.

+1

It is a cool story 'cuz I kantoi those candidates with those info on the spot.

Bullshit, stop lying

EPF will not release your account details without your approva

You just caught red handed "kantoi" BS story.

No, I don't need to lie, I just don't give my number. Which part I said I lie?

Im referring to your BS criminal offence of trying to create a fake story.

Typical kuda scam story.

LOL

not only you

I strongly suggest you read back what I wrote properly.

This shows that you have never read through my post properly, but decided take things out of context to reply accordingly; a short sighted minded person.

Sounds like you're the type of person who fakes his pay slip; thus trying to justify yourself that employers cannot kanoi cheaters.


EDIT: Grammar and context.

This post has been edited by LarryPizzaGuy: Nov 6 2019, 05:01 PM

pretty sure someone did falsified and get away with it..

d*mn, u guys sound like yall frm big big company where there is a dedicated HR dept for it.. d*mn, me small fly company have like no have, just a name only.

My company also quite small.

How do u obtain those info on the spot then? U have the EPF account id & password of the user? Or even the company? We're all interested to know cos its a confidential info. Til then we call ur story a certified BS one.

This post has been edited by feekle: Nov 6 2019, 07:09 PM

Instead of me spoon feeding you with the answer.

Why don't you (be rajin sikit, doesn't cost you a few clicks) read back at my previous post? I did explain there no?

You can speculate all you want, I will you tell you the same answer that I've wrote in my previous post.

All I can see is that there are users here who are (sort-of) buta huruf. Only see things they want to see.

Due diligence and discipline is the key.

Whether you're running your own company (SME or MNC), it pays to learn and adapt procedures from larger and more successful MNC.

HR is a fine balance between taking care of the welfare of the staff and the cost/performance to the company.

It isnt. You won't believe how many HR dept I managed to call to verify salary slips as part of a loan application process. Its surprisingly easy to check.

If you are government, even wose. There is a simple hack you can do on the ANM website with just the applicant's IC to log into their akaun to see their salary slip. My former company did this so openly.

I think its better to tell the truth . HR can find out easily if you are lying .

The truth and nothing but the truth.

Aint no order pizza again.

lol, I edit my last drawn payslip & the epf statement too

If they check your EPF habis GG

Companies are able to get your past info if so want so.
Most application form would include a tnc saying "employment subject to passing background check"

When they mean background check is
There are 3rd party agencies that can get these information regarding your past, your criminal record, your last drawn pay, or epf. Etc.

When I was applying for Intel , I waited 2 weeks for them to clear my background check status.

I also want to know which 3rd party agencies.

I never had to use 3rd party checks. Our HR is competent enough to conduct our own background checks.

From this we find out that a large majority of resumes we receive are embellished or contain false claims or material omissions. All these are considered fraud.

In a few cases, we summarily dismiss staff after discovering the fraud.

Waiting for 1 PRO EXPERT to reply.

Lol.

HR is just a cost centre. Nothing more, nothing less.

Lie is good, your opportunity shall be given to others.

A fraud yes it is. If someone lie, then its good for next candidate in line.

You're right.

Why'd you think that HR is "just a cost centre"?

You had bad experience with your HR department?

Just calling a spade, a spade bro.

How is HR not a cost centre?

Like our politician

How do you relate HR to being a cost centre?

My current and past company used ADP and HireRight for background check. Passed the check d only will get offer letter.

i had experience with first advantage. but depending on position that u are taking on.

if normal exec , just checking if you have criminical records, checking any database available. nothing fancy. if nothing trigger they just let u pass

Humbly disagree.

I have 1 ex colleague that lied about his salary.
He worked for 4 months and then resign.

But he tempered the payslip and extend until 1 year working.
So far he's not caught or get fired of doing this, and yeah, he's working in a small company.

Will you go around 'shouting' that you tempered with your payslip when you applied for a job?

In lowyat forum, yes, because we are all masked.

You know the HR will call your current company's HR to confirm, right?

That is why requiring payslip may not be a meaningful requirement.

Someone with a high payslip, you may not want to pay that much because the job does not require those skills.

Someone with a low payslip, you should go by the requirements for the job and the appropriate market rates - not what he was paid previously.

It has to start from there to gauge where to fit him.

And my point is this - it is not a meaningful or useful guage.

The quage should be what the person is doing and what the market rates are paying.

What the person got in the previous payslip has no relevance to how he should be paid --- which is market rates. Because the previous company could be under-paying.

The common problem is when someone resigns and the company attempts to match the new offer. That's a lousy way of doing things.

Tampered, not tempered.

Yes we caught these characters too when we did background check extending to 7 years back.

Fake salary, fake position, fake achievements, fake degree.

We found candidates who got convicted in court, went to prison but didn't declare.

It's quite easy to check.

Tamper, not temper.

HR company will call current company to release your salary info? Then the current HR is very prone to pdpa and poor HR etiquette.

If a phone call is all they need to reveal your salary why the hassle of asking u to provide your pay slip? It is their standard procedure to ask the candidate what’s their current salary and expected salary during the interview anyway. Also there is always the need to provide reference related to current work of which some may used to gauge your performance in the past but not your past salary. Don’t forget all the payslips are stamped with “strictly P&C” of which only the candidates have the right to reveal what’s on the payslip.

Each and every HR have their own different cost and target system in place. Pretty sure none would want to reveal what they offered and how they offered a candidate to other companies. Which is why they would start with lowballing each and every candidate they encountered. Isn’t it ironic if a phone call is what it takes to find out what’s your past salary, why in the world do they still need to lowball in the very 1st place?

So yea, as a candidate each have their very right to demand what’s their worth and select the right company to work with. Just walk away if u aren’t happy with what’s being offered.

This post has been edited by kirakun: Nov 10 2019, 05:47 PM

small company the hr maybe not bother to confirm with prev company hr. but big companies usually will call previous hr to confirm salary.

If asking salary of applicant is within budgeted amount, I think HR will not be too concern with verifying.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Nov 13 2019, 12:16 AM