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When your FIL was rich, he gifted a house to his 1st wife and a condo to his mistress. Then he left them behind or "divorced" them and legally married your MIL. Even though the mentioned properties are under his name, they do not rightfully belong to him. So, your FIL is now not rich in assets.

Your FIL had bought the condo with his own money (not with your MIL's money) and the condo ended up as their last matrimonial home, even though the condo title is under your MIL's name. Your FIL putting the condo title under your MIL's name is like appointing someone as your representative, proxy, power-of-attorney, executor, agent, etc.
....... Your FIL feels he has the right to take cash out from the condo for him to buy the birth-surname-right from his daughter from Team B, eg by "selling" or "bequeathing" it to his daughter from Team A for a RM400k mortgage, ie RM300k to buy the birth-surname-right and RM100k to renovate the condo.

To your FIL, the birth-surname-right is very important. Didn't your FIL and your wife had a big fight with you over the birth-surname-right of your son which eventually led to your divorce 5 years ago.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 10 2019, 10:40 AM

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In that case, please keep us updated on the negotiations for the out-of-court settlement in your FIL vs MIL divorce court case.

My suggestion is a 70:30 division from the sale of the condo, with 70% going to your MIL since her financial needs for retirement and singlehood will be greater and your FIL no longer needs RM300k to buy the birth-surname-right from his Team B. This should be a win-win settlement/agreement.

Your FIL can still raise cash by selling his 1st-wife's house and downgrading to a lesser matrimonial house or apartment.

Any chance for a reconciliation between your MIL and FIL.?

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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 11 2019, 01:49 PM

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Your MIL got a good out-of-court divorce settlement from her "generous" and legally-ignorant(wrt divorce laws) ex-husband/your-ex-FIL, ie get to keep the condo and RM210k cash payout = the end of this /k drama.

Will your MIL be truly happy that she has won the condo but "lost" her husband to the 1st-wife.?

Will you be happy living with your MIL.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 12 2019, 10:31 AM

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Since you are a Christian, do you know why Sarah and Abraham were barren or infertile.? = because Abraham ignorantly married his half-sister, Sarah = barrenness was a curse from God for his sin of incest.

So, the reason why your FIL and his 3 "wives" could not bear any son is likely along a similar kind of sin, eg maybe your FIL or his forefather was a playboy during his heyday as a rich young bachelor, ie he played out many gullible and naive girls and left them broken-hearted = the curse of God for his sin was to bear only daughters and see them being played out by evil/bad boys = the law of ni4ni.

1COR.11:30-32 (NKJV) = 30 For this reason many are weak and sick among you, and many sleep. 31 For if we would judge ourselves, we would not be judged. 32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world.

ROMANS.7:7 = 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law.

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The difference is that you, even though a sexually immoral person, likely did not leave the German and Aussie girls broken-hearted because since the 1960s, Western societies in USA and Europe have become very morally decadent or hedonist(eg free casual sex, sex orgies and wife-swapping) with the abolishing of laws against adultery, fornication, divorce, abortion and sodomy by the vote-pandering White liberals.
....... IOW, since the 1960s, most Western girls and boys are into open relationship before marriage, like test-driving "new" used-cars every few months. Not so for most Eastern societies.

In comparison, most Eastern societies were still quite conservative in the 1970s and 1980s during the heydays of your FIL when he was still a rich young bachelor = he likely needed to falsely promise marriage to trick gullible Malaysian amoi/s into bed, who usually happened to be virgins = got conned, deflowered and later dumped by your FIL = broken-hearted amoi/s.
....... Until today, Malay/Muslim and South Korean societies are still very conservative wrt boy-girl relationship, dating, sex and marriage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adultery#United_States
https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_la...e_United_States

The principle behind the law of ni4ni wrt sins/evil-deeds/law-breaking is about the harm/hurt/offense done to the other party.

LEV.24:19-23 = 19 ‘If a man causes disfigurement of his neighbor, as he has done, so shall it be done to him— 20 fracture for fracture, eye for eye, tooth for tooth; as he has caused disfigurement of a man, so shall it be done to him. 21 And whoever kills an animal shall restore it; but whoever kills a man shall be put to death. 22 You shall have the same law for the stranger and for one from your own country; for I am the Lord your God.’ ”

23 Then Moses spoke to the children of Israel; and they took outside the camp him who had cursed, and stoned him with stones. So the children of Israel did as the Lord commanded Moses.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 12 2019, 04:03 PM

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Yes, agree. This is proven by the 1st wife agreeing to loan her ex-husband/BillCollector's ex-FIL her life savings of RM210k to divorce BillCollector's MIL, so that she can get back with him = her 1st love.

Only an immoral and greedy woman would commit adultery and "steal" another woman's rich husband.(= broke the Ten Commandments)
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BillCollector

The daughter of the 1st wife offering to sell her baby-foetus-boy's birth-surname-right to your FIL for RM300k could have been a ruse to breakup the marriage of your FIL and MIL, so that the 1st wife could win back your FIL to her side. Team B were betting on the greed and selfishness of your MIL and her Team A to accomplish your MIL's downfall, ie your MIL finally lost her husband of 40 years to the 1st wife.
....... That was why the 1st wife and Team B were willing to take your FIL in, care for him and gave him RM210k, the 1st wife's life savings, to get rid of your MIL and her Team A.

Come Chinese New Year and QingMing in 2020, where will your MIL and her Team A be going.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 13 2019, 09:34 AM

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https://www.emily2u.com/traditions-chinese-...reunion-dinner/
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https://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/Chin...w-years-eve.htm - Chinese New Year Festivities: New Year’s Eve
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qingming_Festival
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Chinese culture and tradition is very patriarchal, ie not matriarchal, as will be practised by your MIL and Team A in 2020 for CNY Reunion Dinner and QingMing without the presence of your ex-FIL, the ex-patriarch of Team A.
....... IOW, the CNY Reunion Dinner is usually held at a patriarch's house or his appointed restaurant, not at a matriach's house or her appointed restaurant.

Only Chinese sons can carry on Chinese culture and traditions like ancestor worship, not Chinese daughters. Eg during a traditional Chinese funeral, only the eldest male descendant can carry the photo of the deceased ancestor for the funeral procession for burial or cremation, ie not a female descendant.

Of course, if Team A adopts your quite liberal Western culture and forego Chinese culture, then problem solved.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 13 2019, 11:59 PM

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Wow.! ... The 1st wife had RM730k in FD savings. No wonder your ex-FIL went back to her, ie for her money.

So, the sale of Team B's birth-surname-right for RM300k to youe ex-FIL was likely a ruse, to break up the marriage of your ex-FIL and MIL and reunite their mother/1st-wife with your ex-FIL. Now the daughters of Team B regret taking your ex-FIL back because he has "scammed" their mother's RM520k(the RM210k was needed to get rid of your MIL). Team B are stuck with your ex-FIL, for good or for bad.
....... Sometimes, being rich can make a person over-confident. "A rich mind is the devil's playground". "Manusia boleh merancang tetapi Tuhan yang menentukan."

Please update us on what your ex-FIL is doing with the RM520k, the sale of his mistress's condo, Team B and Team A, ie the post-divorce situation.

Seems like now BillCollector has become the "Chinese patriarch" of Team A.
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MONEY > MIL

Agreed.?
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MONEY > MIL
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FIL = MIL = both are immoral, greedy, selfish and lawless people who are acting out in desperation at the end of their ropes.

Also, "apples do not fall far from the tree," wrt their progenies.

Agreed.?
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 14 2019, 02:23 PM

BillCollector

So, you were wrong to assume that your (ex-)FIL took the RM520k and went to Genting with Team B-daughter's car.

What happens if your MIL remarry a new husband.? Who will be your "real" FIL.?
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Nowadays, the housing market is quite soft or lacklustre and it will remain so, likely forever. This is because the housing market has already reached market saturation point since the banking sector was liberalized in the early 1990s, ie since about 27 years ago. IOW, no more 1990s economic and housing boom due to many more people suddenly able to get easy and generous house loans to buy houses/properties, ie able to get maximum 100% and 30-year housing loans at low interest rate from maximum 80% and 15-year housing loans at moderate interest rate previously. The government and banks have no more levers to pull to artificially spur another economic growth/boom or another housing boom.

So, I think it is not a good idea for you to get involved in your FIL's inadequately-funded housing project, especially if it is not located in an ideal location. If things go south, it will not be easy for you to evict Team B from the terrace house.
....... Your FIL should just sell the land to an established well-funded housing developer for a small profit, instead of desiring for a RM5 million profit.

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P S - In the 2000s, the US banks employed easy ARM(adjustable rate mortgages) housing loans and credit default swaps to insure/guarantee such risky loans to again artificially spur another US housing boom. This culminated in the 2008-2009 Stock Market Crash and world recession. .......
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subprime_mortgage_crisis

Luckily, Malaysian banks did not follow the US banks.
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BillCollector

With this kind of history ( https://www.freemalaysiatoday.com/category/...-hulu-selangor/ - Abandoned projects cry for attention in Hulu Selangor - 2017) behind housing projects in Rawang, many housebuyers are wary of buying such new 'sell-and-build' houses in Rawang which can be similarly abandoned by the housing developers, eg if a world recession suddenly hits in 2020 or 2021= many housebuyers prefer to buy already-completed new houses or 2nd-hand houses even though they have to pay a bit more = "pound wise, penny foolish." = safer to lose RM30k than losing RM300k if a housing project suddenly gets abandoned for whatever reason.

What happens if your FIL could only sell 30% of the housing project.? Without sufficient funds for holding costs, he will likely be forced to abandon the project.

"Beggars can't be choosers" - this aptly describes your FIL's present financial situation = he is in no position to be a capable housing developer like he was 20 years ago = he should just sell the land for a small profit to a capable and well-funded housing developer.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 15 2019, 04:17 PM

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So, you were wrong to assume that your FIL would take the 1st wife's RM512k to Genting. Your FIL was not as bad as you think.

Stroke or brain haemorrhage is different from heart attack. Stroke happens when the tinier blood vessels or capillaries in the brain burst, probably due to sudden extreme stress or worries = part of the brain is damaged and dies = paralysis.
....... The failure of his last ditch housing development plan to resurrect his wealthy status plus his 1st wife leaving him were probably too much for his old blood vessels to bear = double-whammy. Like a chess game, your lawless FIL made a few final wrong moves in life and got check-mated for life.
....... This also proves that men should really retire at 60 years old and be fully-prepared, especially financially = avoid any stressful activity like concocting money scams, divorce, get new younger wife/gf, have kids, start new money-making ventures, move house, take in new tenants, quarrel, sue in court, etc.

The 1st wife probably left him because she was very angry that he used her RM210k(without her permission) to pay off your MIL for the divorce. With your FIL in such a bad physical condition, will the divorce betwen your FIL and MIL go through.?

Will your FIL still get a grandson to follow his surname before or after he dies, maybe on compassionate grounds.?

What a sad end to this /k-drama about an idol-worshipping and lawless old Chinese man and his 3 "wives".

"Manusia boleh merancang tapi Tuhan yang menentukan."
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P S - Go buy garlic/stink-cancelling nosebuds to add to your Mandarin/noise-cancelling earbuds.
Are you wearing rose-tinted (= unpleasant sight-cancelling) glasses as well.?

Thanks for the update.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 25 2019, 08:31 PM

To recap; this /k-drama began in Aug 2019 when Team B and 1st wife had likely used the ruse of selling daughter's baby-boy/foetus's birth-surname-right to FIL for RM300k, in order to breakup FIL from MIL(= 2nd wife = legal wife).

So, the ancestor-worshipping and lawless FIL tried to scam MIL of RM300k by mortgaging MIL's condo to Team A's daughter. When the similarly lawless MIL found out, she deviously planned to "sell" her condo to her 2 daughters of Team A and then divorce FIL, so as not to let FIL have a share of the condo.

Probably aware of the MIL's grab-and-dump plan in early Nov 2019, FIL made his own grand comeback plan to divorce MIL amicably by paying her RM210k to get her to relinquish her share on a piece of land in Rawang, so that he could develop the land and make a grand comeback as a RM5-millionaire.
....... He got the RM210k by borrowing RM730k from the 1st-wife of Team B who took him in and trusted in his grand comeback plan. After suffering public humiliation for about 40 years, Team B and 1st wife probably thought they got a prized catch by reeling in FIL.

Alas, FIL's grand comeback plan failed to takeoff because of insufficient funds and he ended up worse than before, ie Team B and 1st wife left him probably because she lost RM210k to MIL for nothing, even though 1st wife got back RM520k from FIL. The extreme stress of 2 failures, ie in business and family, probably triggered FIL's brain stroke that left him paralysed.

Conclusion: ... Chinese culture, tradition and beliefs are mostly not good.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 26 2019, 11:25 AM

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If only your wife had gotten pregnant earlier, ie a few months before Aug 2019, confirmed boy/s and you informed your FIL about your above decision, things would have turned out differently for your FIL and MIL.
....... All your FIL's offerings to his ancestors/gods/idols, good feng-shui, ang-pows, fatt-fatt-fatt/888 car number plates and good fortune CNY greetings did not work.

It's best for people to depend on good-doing and law-abidingness for contentment, good fortune and long life on earth - cf; those arrested and convicted law-breakers suffering months/years in jail or awaiting the death penalty.
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This post has been edited by lurkingaround: Nov 26 2019, 08:03 PM

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