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post Apr 22 2022, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Apr 22 2022, 03:44 PM)
Let's hope no one here will have to go through that "selling process", do not leverage and do not get too greedy.

Will look into the Wise USD account, i did heard that Wise can hold multiple currency and transfer to another bank, or use their Card to make payment
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If I'm not mistaken, wise can only hold up to 20k in Ringgit. Not a viable long term channel for such transfer.
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post Apr 22 2022, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(Lon3Rang3r00 @ Apr 22 2022, 04:15 PM)
bruce.gif  I just need a platform for me to wire transfer money to IBKR monthly/quarterly, withdraw can directly IBKR --- > CIMB SG.
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Yes, smaller/multiple deposit to IBKR is better to use wise to save on forex rate. You can withdraw one lump sum to Cimb sg from IBKR later. So 1 free wire from IBKR per month is good enough for the withdrawal.
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post Apr 30 2022, 09:19 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Apr 29 2022, 09:42 PM)
Novo Nordisk, the world's largest insulin manufacturer and diabetes care service provider reporting results today. It's the largest company in the Nordic region.

Company accouncement: https://www.novonordisk.com/news-and-media/....html?id=112995

Presentation slides: https://www.novonordisk.com/content/dam/nnc...resentation.pdf

Its shares can be purchased from NYSE (ticker symbol NVO) (Level 3 ADR) in USD or if you like, Nasdaq Copenhagen Stock Exchange in Denmark (you need to buy shares in Danish Krone however).

Some info of its shares in Google Finance: https://www.google.com/finance/quote/NVO:NYSE

PNB has stakes in it and it accounts for 0.26% of ASM3's fund NAV as of 30th of Sept. 2021.

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Colgate-Palmollive (NYSE: CL) reporting results today too: https://investor.colgatepalmolive.com/event...d-presentations
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How to buy Novo Nordisk in Copenhagen exchange? Seems IBKR don't have access?
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post May 1 2022, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Apr 30 2022, 10:26 AM)
Sorry, my apologies. Though you can buy NOVO-B on Nasdaq Copenhagen, you can't do so via IB. IB just don't provide service for Denmark onshore securities. laugh.gif

Level 3 ADR should be fine. It's officially listed on an exchange, so there should be liquidity over a pure OTC level 1 unlisted ADR.

If in doubt, have a look at the premium-discount chart provided by Deutsche Bank here: https://www.adr.db.com/drwebrebrand/dr-univ...m-discount-data

NVO on NYSE should trade closely with its NOVO-B parent share back in Copanhagen. The chart should provide you some comfort.

Last thing to note is: Novo-Nordisk, like Roche, has a dual-class share structure where the founder owns 70-80% of voting rights while the rest of us can only have the remaining 20-30% voting powers despite we (not the founding family) provide 70-80% of the share capital, and the founding family only provide 20-30% of the capital. So there is corporate governance risk to bear.

You can read it here: https://www.novonordisk.com/investors/share...-structure.html
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27% WHT. Ouch!
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post May 1 2022, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 1 2022, 02:51 PM)
No. It's actually 0%drool.gif (The tax-friendly treatment probably explains PNB's large position in this counter. Your friend in SG not so lucky, they still need to pay 10% WHT to Danish tax authorities.)

https://taxsummaries.pwc.com/denmark/corpor...thholding-taxes

This is the official Double taxation agreemen between Malaysian and Denmark, confirming that no WHT is withheld: https://phl.hasil.gov.my/pdf/pdfam/DenmarkDTA_06032018.pdf

In other words, you can claim back all the dividends withheld from Danish authorities. biggrin.gif

The Danish authorities are so nice that if the processing time takes longer than 6 months, they will pay you interest on top of the dividends withheld.  laugh.gif

https://skat.dk/skat.aspx?oid=2244931
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Thanks for sharing. This is fantastic and can be a viable long term investment. I have many Danish stocks that I like...

Just another noob question. Since we buy ADR so essentially the WHT is at the IBKR side. So the process is to request tax voucher from IBKR then proceed with the Claim procedure?
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post May 2 2022, 08:56 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 1 2022, 04:03 PM)
Can share which Danish stocks you like? biggrin.gif Lego is a private company, as much as I like to play Lego bricks. Maersk's Level 1 OTC ADR AMKBY is unsponsored, so can't do anything either. Same for Carlsberg's CABGY OTC L1 ADR too. 

As for WHT, try writing to IBKR and inquire them about that. Consider contacting Danish tax authorities too.  I wrote to IB to ask for my ADR refund for my Novartis ADR's dividend WHT refund but IB has not replied after 2-3 months, to date. Come to the worst, I will just email my tax specialist in Bern again and ask. laugh.gif

Have a look at the 20-F filing from Novo Nordisk with the SEC. https://www.novonordisk.com/content/dam/nnc...m-20-f-2021.pdf Use your browser's search function to search for "dividend withholding" and have a read from page 22 onwards (Item 10: Additional Information, Section E. Taxation.)
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Yes, Carlsberg and Maersk is on my watchlist. I checked level 1 OTC ADR means they are pink sheets, illiquid and not undergo full registration by SEC. And the accounting may not meets SEC requirement. There is no mentioning any difference in WHT treatment. I guess we can also claim the WHT refund just like a level 3 ADR right?

As for the IBKR tax voucher thing, I think IBKR may not be very supportive to the request of this type of administrative service involving a staff to carry out the manual paperwork. Hence this may not be the best way to go for long term.

Still the best for long term is to go for ADR like UL that is straightforward and give you dividend with no WHT so no need to run the errand to tax department for the claim...
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post May 2 2022, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 2 2022, 10:42 AM)
For those ADRs, being Level 1 isn't the main issue for tax. The unlisted nature only concerns with liquidity and governance. The main issue is the unsponsored nature. If the ADR is not sponsored, the company has no vested interest to handle all these tax-related issues since it is the banks who offer them without the supervision from the parent company (you will find no mention of LVMUY on LVMH's official website, no mention of AMKBY on A/P Moller Maersk's official website etc.). And you bear significant counterparty risk with the bank holding these securities on your behalf without the company's knowledge/official involvement. For tax-related issues, you can only deal with the bank by inquiring them, and not the company. You may contact the tax authorities though. There is no guarantee that the refund will be the same as a Level 2/3 ADR since tax refunds depend on the tax domicile of the company. It could be that you need to contact the ADR bank to handle it for you, or you go straight to the authorities and seek refund from them.     

Yes, if you want to avoid hassles just stick to counters whose tax-domiciled country has no WHT in first place, rather than having to go through the torture to reclaim it back later.

But honestly, I enjoy the process of dealing with these issues though. Learning to communicate with foreign tax authorities and understand foreign tax laws are not something everyone enjoy, but the payoff can be huge if you reinvest the proceeds from the refunds. This is because DTA agreements don't change very often. So one-time knowledge can be applied for decades to come. The opportunity cost is considerably higher if companies have increasing dividend payouts over the years.
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It seems Carlsberg and Maersk stock are available on Frankfurt stock exchange. Not sure it is a Europe depository stock of ADR equivalent.
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post May 5 2022, 10:45 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 4 2022, 04:58 PM)
Danish tax authorities have responded.

This should be case for both:

(i) dividends from Copenhagen exchange listed shares
(ii) dividends from the Danish ADRs (e.g. NYSE: NVO) 
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Yes, probably just follow the procedure stated in their digital portal for the claim. They didn't mention they need a tax voucher, did they?

Before that happens, let's sort out the trading permission issue. Did you manage to get your trading permission granted?
I tried enable everything and still can't place any order on CPH stock. I think it may be due to the subscription to market data issue. I didn't subscribe to access the data since I am a cheapskate.
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post May 5 2022, 12:27 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 5 2022, 11:53 AM)
Did you try accessing the digital portal? I can't access the link: https://skat.dk/data.aspx?oid=2246531&lang=us

I don't think you need a tax voucher. Just submit the IBKR statements/reports which display the WHT segment and they will pay accordingly.

Another point to note is the WHT refund, if granted, will be paid in Danish Krone (DKK), so you will need a bank account which can receive or convert DKK to say SGD in order to receive the payments.

As for trading permissions, I have enabled all, just like you, but still can't access. I have open a ticket with IB's customer service. Will update here when they reply me.
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I tried the digital portal for several steps the other day and seems quite straightforward.

I saw IBKR has DKK account so in theory it should allow us to keep DKK in the account for investment. My guess is the market data access that is preventing me from access.
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post May 5 2022, 04:21 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 5 2022, 12:59 PM)
lol I don't think the Danish tax authorities will pay the refund to your IBKR account. (It does not even have an account number, IBKR doesn't provide banking services.)

How come you can access the digital portal? Which browser did you use? I used Chrome on both W10 and W11, either one gives me something like this:

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This is the page from the Danish dividend claim.

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I checked we can wire DKK into IBKR. If the Danish tax authorities are not kind enough to pay the refund directly to IBKR account, perhaps they can pay to the DKK account in Wise. DKK account can be opened in Wise. I am not too sure the details on Wise cross border account though.

Need Sifu to comment on whether Wise cross border account can be used for Danish tax authorities to transfer payment.
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post May 6 2022, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(dwRK @ May 5 2022, 06:32 PM)
cannot...no physical account
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If there is no convenient way to open a DKK account for the tax refund, then the Danish stock is not a viable long term investment.
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post May 6 2022, 09:18 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 5 2022, 11:19 PM)
Alert to all Swiss stock investors, including those who hold Swiss ADRs on NYSE. Takudan Toku

My Swiss tax specialist just shared with me this useful service for your future dividend WHT refunds:

https://www.ictax.admin.ch/extern/en.html#/search

This is an official portal for you to verify whether you can claim for tax refunds from Swiss tax authorities. I am pleased that Swiss ADRs like Novartis' level II ADR (ISIN No. US66987V1098) are listed too.

So, if IBKR does not refund you the 35% WHT (for ADR case, i.e., IB does not inform the ADR custodian bank about your tax residency), you can claim the refund via Form 60 together with all your SIX-listed securities, say ROG.SW or NESN.SW.

Hope that helps.
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IBKR did withhold 35% dividend on ROG.SW that I hold. Should I expect IBKR to refund it? I doubt IBKR willing to put up a human to help on this type of things since they mostly automated their process and bots are the one handling customer...

Think just to get ready the form 60 for 3yrs claim then go for local tax department to validate once before sending it to Swiss tax department. But I still have to ask for tax voucher from IBKR each year right?

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post May 6 2022, 12:52 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 6 2022, 10:22 AM)
No, just claim from Swiss Tax Adminsitration every 3 years. IB does not handle that (the WHT reclaim).

Yes, prepare Form 60 and get it stamped with LHDN every year. After 3 years, send it to Swiss with all the relevant IBKR statements.
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The Form 60 allows 3yrs of claims entered into single page for submission. Should be able to get it stamped with LHDN on the 3rd year before submission.
LHDN only need to validate our status as Malaysian citizen (those $$ claim each year has nothing to do with LHDN). What do you think?
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post May 6 2022, 08:48 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 6 2022, 01:07 PM)
My tax specialist says it is ok to combine all 3 years on one Form 60, but I think it's best you split it into 3 forms, since you never know if your tax residency will change in any certain year in the future.

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LHDN's job is just to validate your tax residency. Follow the instructions of Form 60 and you should be fine. The stamp especially is important (it shows your tax residency for the particular financial year), the rest are just fine details.
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Seems I have to build up the stake to make it worthwhile to run the tax office errand... otherwise not sufficient drive to do it.
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post May 17 2022, 02:23 PM

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QUOTE(hedfi @ May 14 2022, 10:10 PM)
That's what I'm doing, go EUR and back to USD when rates improve, just my believe that USD at this rate is unsustainable.

Just gauging other investors investment strategy, didn't expect to be lectured, everybody's got their own strategies
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Can slowly convert to bargain currency like CHF, EUR. Can use it for investment in local equity. Else convert back when it is revert back to normal.
Buying USD at this overvalue rate is bad timing.

To me, forex is consider a different asset so total return need to be considered.

This post has been edited by Toku: May 17 2022, 02:24 PM
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post May 17 2022, 09:59 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 17 2022, 08:14 PM)
Heard on the Street

Luxury Brands Are Counting on Americans to Keep Spending

With parts of China in lockdown, brands need demand in the U.S. to stay high

https://www.wsj.com/articles/luxury-brands-...share_permalink

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India Can’t Hang Up on Chinese Smartphones

When it comes to smartphones, India and China have to keep the line open

https://www.wsj.com/articles/india-cant-han...share_permalink

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As what Ram says, valuations looks fine though. Just that people purchased more keyboards and mouse during those WFH days. https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/L...ech-sa/pe-ratio
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Thanks for sharing this. I think this is worthy to invest, if it goes down further. This is like a miner during inflation time or an ocean freighter during supply chain disruption time. Despite they are going off the cycle soon, they did 'very' well during this chance of a lifetime for their industry. They paid down all loans, restructured their business etc. and make the balance sheet very healthy. Although the business is subject to soften, in return you get a very good balance sheet out of it. So it is still worth it.
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post May 26 2022, 01:47 PM

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I did some research on how to claim the refund for the France dividend WHT.
The explanatory note and the forms attached. All are pretty straightforward.

Whoever wish to invest in France stock can use this to claim the refund.






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post Aug 9 2022, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Jul 17 2022, 12:31 AM)
hedfi that's what I have been telling you guys since last time. Use sg banks. Avoid wise or else you will get that love letter from IBKR.
Matter of time. Say 6-7 months later.
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Hi Ramjade,

I have a noob question. How did you transfer fund from My account of DBS to IBKR? Did you use DBS Remit? I can't find ways to enter "For Further Credit to" account information. thanks in advance.
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post Nov 1 2022, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Nov 1 2022, 12:02 AM)
swiss franc under pressure to go down?
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post Nov 12 2022, 06:59 PM

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QUOTE(Hansel @ Nov 12 2022, 04:34 PM)
Ohh,.... all US stocks, then if it's me,... I would transfer all my stocks in to DBS Vickers, But that's me, because I have most of my hldgs in DBS. But be careful of the charges,...
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If you are putting most of your holding in DBS, I am curious why you think the risk of this bank-affiliated broker-dealer like DBS Vicker is low?

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DBS Vicker ask customer to indemnify their counter party risks.

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In contrast, it seems IBKR has customer protection in mind more than DBS Vicker.

Also regarding customer asset segregation from the other assets:

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It seems that DBS do not segregate their customer assets, furthermore, they ask customer to waive the investment return of the customer money DBS Vicker temporary make?! Is this a joke?

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IBKR has customer assets segregation.

Not trying to tarnish the bank affiliated broker but so far all my questions about customer protection were not able to be answered by bank affiliated broker. Can't find those info on any website too. I still not able to find any bank affiliated broker to have on-par customer protection like IBKR. Hope to be able to find a good bank affiliated broker for long term.



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