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post Sep 10 2022, 11:46 PM

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QUOTE(TOS @ Sep 8 2022, 05:43 PM)

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As for dividends, don't be put off by the 35% WHT, you can claim back 20% (i.e. taxed 15%) should you submit Form 60 to the FTA. This is especially so if you have large holdings in Switzerland/CHF-based counters. The opportunity costs are the mailing charge (around 15 MYR), transportation cost from home to post office and printing cost for forms and supporting documents, probably adding up to 20 ringgit.

Let's say we construct a portfolio of 4 NESN shares, 1 ROG share, and 5 NOVN shares (around 400 CHF each counter = 1200 CHF in total), annual dividends = 2.8*4 + 9.3 + 3.1*5 = 36 CHF per annum. 20% of that would be 7.2 CHF = approx. 30 MYR (i.e. 70% higher than the opportunity costs.)

The only problem is the receiving part as you will need a CHF account to receive the payments or risk unfavourable exchange rates.

But even without any WHT refund, you won't lose much as SIX counters' dividend yields are similar to their US counterparts, 2-3% p.a. while the dividend WHT rate is only worse by another 5% (35% vs 30%). So, you are looking at an additional 5% of 2-3% p.a of opportunity cost over USD investments (on a like-to-like basis, i.e., baring high-flying tech counters). And don't forget about CHF's appreciation against USD, that can easily swamp the "5% of 2-3% p.a.". 

So, yes, benefits outweigh cost no matter how I see it, not to mention diversification in geography, forex and industries too.

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Oh. I just realized my Hang Seng Bank account can have access to CHF savings!

Hang Seng Integrated Account can have access to these foreign currency, all in one account:

HKD, USD, GBP, AUD, CAD, CHF, CNY, JPY, NZD, THB, ZAR, EUR

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Anyway, after doing some calculation, it's better to claim WHT via CIMB SG as the inward remittance fee is waived and the forex spread is about 1.1%.

https://www.cimb.com.sg/en/personal/help-su...ange-rates.html
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/CHFSGD=X/

For Hang Seng bank, inward remittance TT charges is about 65 HKD, or 7.91 CHF almost equal to the remitted amount for one year's worth of WHT.
https://www.hangseng.com/content/dam/hase/e...es_20221001.pdf

Since you will claim refund from Swiss FTA every 3 years, expect about 24 CHF with a lost of 1.1% due to forex spread which means you can receive about 34-35 SGD at today's rate every 3 years. Not too bad, as your dividends grow every year too. So will be higher than 40 SGD every 3 years.
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post Sep 11 2022, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Sep 11 2022, 10:57 AM)
Hmm, anybody got issues with the dividend distribution for M44U?

Received only 1cents instead of the 2.278cents.

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QUOTE(tadashi987 @ Sep 11 2022, 02:17 PM)
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mine not M44U, but AJBU
seems not correct also, IBKR statement only show SGD 0.02089 per Share
while it should be 0.0505

https://www.morningstar.com/stocks/xses/ajbu/dividends

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QUOTE(AthrunIJ @ Sep 11 2022, 02:29 PM)
🤔🤔, ibkr support not sure will reply or not haha.
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Be patient gentlemen, some of the dividend accruals have not been reversed yet.

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post Sep 12 2022, 05:10 PM

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post Sep 13 2022, 01:19 PM

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post Sep 13 2022, 07:35 PM

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QUOTE(harmonics3 @ Sep 13 2022, 07:32 PM)
After waiting for more than a week to link my DBS Vickers Trading account to my newly open DBS "my account", finally able to see all the trading account balance transferred to "my account" automatically today.  I then initiated the HKD transfer from IBKR and used DBS remit to perform the HKD to HKD transfer (to Citibank Hong Kong provided by IBKR).  The HKD was received within an hour and without incurring any fees rclxm9.gif
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Thanks for the confirmation. Very valuable information for me as I have both DBS Vickers and IBKR accounts. biggrin.gif
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post Sep 13 2022, 08:00 PM

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QUOTE(harmonics3 @ Sep 13 2022, 07:51 PM)
That's the beauty of forum sharing... why do you invest in SREITS using IBKR but not DBS Vickers?
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Now you can appreciate the beauty of Lowyat Finance, Business and Investment House. thumbup.gif

As for why I invest in S-REITs using IB but not DBS Vickers. The answer is fee.

IBKR costs around 2.5-2.7 SGD (min 2.5 SGD for fixed pricing, about 2.7 SGD for tiered pricing) for each purchase of about 400 SGD of S-REITs (e.g. 200 units of CICT at about 2 SGD per share). https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/prici...fic.php?re=apac

For DBS Vickers, whether or not you have CDP, the cash upfront charge for each purchase is 10 SGD minimum and that is for buy order/purchase only. You need to pay min. 25 SGD for sell orders. https://www.dbsvickers.com/vickers/pricing/singapore.page

Apart from fee, second reason is I don't need to switch between platforms as my Swiss, US and in the future, Europe and HK holdings will be via IB as well.

I (plan to) mainly use DBS Vickers + FSM SG for CDP purchase/sell but the fees are high, so I need to wait a bit longer when I have more money to buy big lots in one go, then I will use DBS Vickers for CDP purchase and FSM SG for selling my CDP holdings.

For now, DBS Vickers and FSM SG are my "emergency brokers". Just in case IB is in trouble and I see very deep discount in certain counters, or in case I need to transfer my holdings from IB to another broker for whatever reasons, these 2 SG brokers can function as "secondary broker".

The 2 SG brokers are also used to sell my CDP bond holdings in the secondary market, e.g. Astrea bonds or any other retail bonds I subscribe to in the future in case the companies are in trouble and I need to exit my stake quickly.

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post Sep 13 2022, 08:14 PM

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QUOTE(harmonics3 @ Sep 13 2022, 08:06 PM)
How about corporate action like rights subscriptions and dividend reinvestment scheme for SG stocks, is IBKR also better than DBS Vickers?
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Can't speak about DBS Vickers as I haven't used their services yet. (I just linked my CDP account to it.)

IB's main problem is rights subscription as I am a Malaysian resident (no SG residency), so I don't get to subscribe to major S-REITs rights subscription. But there are exceptions, depending on the announcement or prospectus of the company, certain S-banks like OCBC allow Malaysians to subscribe to rights offerrings. That's how I ended up with 102 units of OCBC (2 units from rights subscription).

For FSM SG, Ramjade confirmed that they allow for rights susbcription for S-REITs, which I think is "illegal" since it's against the offering documents. But well, different brokers have different policies. So, it really depends.

Since when I registered for DBS Vickers, I "self-declared" myself as an SG tax resident (they didn't check or asked for proofs... sweat.gif ), I believe I have no issue with rights subscription using DBS Vickers, be it S-banks/stocks or S-REITs.

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post Sep 14 2022, 11:09 AM

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post Sep 14 2022, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(MasBoleh! @ Sep 14 2022, 11:59 AM)
Sorry for the late reply, been occupied in other areas.

Let's just say my reporting boss is a Swiss biggrin.gif

Colleague B in the end approached PostFinance and successfully opened an account.

In any case, i would like to specifically mentioned that all the swiss bank account required to pay maintenance fees monthly, and for us that live abroad, we needed to pay additional fees.

https://www.moneyland.ch/en/swiss-bank-fees-abroad

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So you are saying the negative interest rates only kicks in when the cash balance above 50k CHF, in this context, means if my cash balance below 50k CHF, there is no "additional charges" aka negative interest rates impose by IBKR? And how come IBKR has negative interest charges (pardon my stupid question)

Yea make sense, very likely will be in Capital with dividends been reinvested.
The submission of Form 60 to the FTA is been done yearly or every 6 months or?

Oh my goodness, this is very detailed explanation, i truly appreciates your generosity notworthy.gif I am getting excited when reading your post, because I really prefer to have a long term stable investment instead of trading which is trying to buy low sell high, or shorting of stocks.

You are certainly right, i almost wanted to point out on the currency appreciation in long run for Swiss Franc which may outweigh the US counterparts.
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I would say different markets have different pros and cons, US as world number 1 economy, their markets certainly have huge movements and I personally also see it as a safe option, although when comes to recession, their impact also greater if compared to i.e. SIX. But for now, investing into stable companies like Apple, Microsoft, Amazon etc.. looks pretty good. But we will never know, as even Nokia who was once a big giant in the mobile phone market already collapsed, so anything is plausible.

So when talks to US market, i try to be neutral too but of course must be agree to disagree biggrin.gif

I agree with you on the SIX, long term wise, Swiss is good, especially Nestle which itself also considered an extremely good stock in Malaysia.

Just a curiosity question, it is rather personal, you may choose to answer or don't wanna answer or  PM me. Are you actively investing in SIX at the moment? And if yes, how you do so without a Swiss bank account? Since you mentioned about the risk of unfavourable exchange rate. You are residing in HK which is one of the financial centre, i believe there may have some avenue for you to do so without a Swiss bank account?

Thank you notworthy.gif Again sorry it took me so long to reply this post.
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Thanks for info, no problem. PostFinance has a "neobank" called Yuh, a JV with Swissquote, can consider that too. https://www.yuh.com/en/pricing

Your colleagues must all be very rich. laugh.gif

Should follow Ram's advice and try the neobanks, they really disrupt the banking market there.

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Yes, if cash balance is below 50k CHF, no "negative" interest rate charges. So, you can keep CHF cash up to 50k CHF in your IB account without losing/gaining anything. The negative interest rate imposed by IB is because the SNB interest rate is currently negative. Swiss banks which maintain reserves or balance at SNB will have to end up paying SNB instead. So, in turn, money kept at banks by corporations/public will actually result in bank charging you interest instead of them paying you interest. https://www.snb.ch/en/iabout/stat/statrep/i...change_rates#t2

IB's CHF cash balance are maintained at a local Swiss bank account (Credit Suisse, I believe), and they are thus affected by the same monetary policy.

Submission of Form 60 to FTA can be done at least frequently, once every 3 years, i.e. the maximum period to claim back the tax is the past 3 years. You can get your tax residency proof once a year from LHDN (via the LHDN stamp) or once every 3 years, although the former is preferred.

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One possible factor for Nestle Malaysia's performance is because Nestle SA, the parent company and EPF collectively control 80% of all shares. Free float is only around 20% of all equities. https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/...491622/company/ So, the liquidity is low yet demand is high, resulting in a high share price/additional liquidity premium as a result.

Erm. Not sure what you mean by "actively investing". I am a very passive investor, hardly changing anything in my portfolio. I remain invested in Nestle, Novartis (through US ADR) and Roche at the moment. They help me weather the current storm well. Will add more in the future when I have more cash coming in.

You don't need a Swiss bank account to transfer CHF funds if you use IBKR. Just use Wise to first convert the money you have (USD, SGD, MYR, HKD etc.) to CHF and store it in your Wise CHF currency balance, then send the money to IBKR's Swiss bank account (a Credit Suisse account) via the usual steps (initiate a deposit notification at IB first, then transfer the money from your CHF currency balance to the designated Credit Suisse account). You should receive your money and see it reflected in your IB currency balance under an hour. From there, you can buy stocks etc. with the CHF funds deposited. Note Wise will charge you 0.5 CHF for the outbound transfer to IB's Credit Suisse account. That's the only fee involved, aside from any forex spread/charges earlier from your USD/SGD/MYR/HKD conversion to CHF.

Add-on, just saw Ramjade's post: you can use IB's own FX conversion if you already deposited SGD/USD/HKD in IB. Note that there is no SGD/CHF or CHF/SGD currency pair, so you will have to go through at least 2 conversions from SGD to CHF, e.g. SGD -> USD -> CHF. I am not sure if the charges are the same as Wise, but the total cost should be comparable.

The unfavourable exchange rates kicks in when you want to reclaim your Swiss WHT. As SNB pays out your reclaimed money in CHF, you need to have a bank account which can receive CHF. I tried out Dukascopy the other day but the charges are ridiculous... So, I just plan to use CIMB SG to receive the inward remittance. The extra cost is the currency conversion from CHF to SGD which has a spread of about 1.1% (for CIMB SG). But the good thing is there are no minimum charges for the inward telegraphic transfer, so you get to receive nearly all the funds refunded.

At least that's how I think it should work, I haven't tried out yet until 2 more years later when I will start claiming back my WHT. By then, I will give an update there about the "steps" involved. biggrin.gif

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post Sep 14 2022, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 14 2022, 02:45 PM)
You already got DBS My account I believe? Use that to channel your CHF Vs CIMB sg.
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DBS My Account does not provide CHF as part of its multi-currency account service. Otherwise, I would have used that in the first place.

https://www.dbs.com.sg/personal/deposits/sa...unts/my-account

Check the FAQ.

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With My Account, you have access to 12 foreign currencies and the Singapore dollar. The 12 foreign currencies are:

Australian Dollar (AUD)
Canadian Dollar (CAD)
Chinese Renminbi (Offshore) (CNH)
Euro (EUR)
Hong Kong Dollar (HKD)
Japanese Yen (JPY)
New Zealand Dollar (NZD)
Norwegian Kroner (NOK)
Sterling Pound (GBP)
Swedish Kroner (SEK)
Thai Baht (THB)
US Dollar (USD)

You can also exchange these currencies conveniently at prevailing rates.

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QUOTE(bill11 @ Sep 14 2022, 02:26 PM)
Quick question on estate planning/tax for IB platform.

1. Is it same as this TD sg ?

U.S. Estate Proceedings and Taxation
Certain assets owned by an investor outside the United States at their time of death may be subject to U.S. estate taxation. The estate executor is required to file a United States Estate (and Generation-Skipping Transfer) Tax Return Estate of nonresident not a citizen of the United States. The estate tax is imposed on the transfer of assets therefore the return (IRS form 706-NA) is necessary in order to move assets or funds from the decedent's account. Additional information may be found on the IRS website under Form 706-NA.
https://www.tdameritrade.com.sg/disclosures.html

2. Any idea how it work if one hold the US stock ?how many % they charge to pass to your beneficiary?
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Yes, US assets on IB platform (max 60k USD for NRA) are subject to US estate tax. https://www.irs.gov/individuals/internation...ate-tax-returns

The beneficiary needs to file Form 706-NA within 9 month after the person's death.

Note that IBKR, unlike other brokers, does not tax your assets upon death. (But unsure if they will withhold the assets until your beneficiary(ies) is/are done with IRS, you can contact customer service on this) https://www.interactivebrokers.com.hk/en/in...p?f=1554&p=faqs

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For detailed instructions:

https://www.pwc.ch/en/insights/tax/us-estat...d-gift-tax.html

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The top tax rate is 40%, but you will likely pay lower than that: https://www2.deloitte.com/content/dam/Deloi...dent-aliens.pdf (pg. 8)

To avoid this:

1. Use an Irish-domicilied ETF to buy US index funds.
2. Jot down the password/login instructions to your heirs/beneficiaries to withdraw the money before account closure after your death.

Additional reference: https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Non-US_inve...ng_US_tax_traps

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QUOTE(harmonics3 @ Sep 20 2022, 11:39 PM)
I have CDP account and now I recall the corporation actions from SG stocks held in CDP are directly issued through CDP without involving the trading accounts like DBS Vickers.  If I were to buy SG stocks through IBKR, will the stock holding be registered under CDP or under IBKR custodian?
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Wow. Must celebrate. Now I got a kindred spirit to discuss SG CDP matters. biggrin.gif We are the privileged few to access SG government bonds on Lowyat! thumbup.gif

As for your question,

1. Yes, SG stocks purchased via SG brokers like DBS Vickers and FSM SG held are held in CDP and the brokers (DBS Vickers, FSM SG) only handle the trading matters. Once the trade is cleared and settled, it's in CDP hands and the broker has nothing to do with your SG CDP stock/bond holdings.

2. For IBKR, all IB SG stocks are held under IBKR custodian, IB does not provide CDP account linkage if you have noticed. (Business reason: they want to lend your SG stocks to big insitutional short-sellers to earn loan interests them.)

We shall continue all CDP-related matters here: https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/3727515/+5200

I will give you updates on the upcoming T-bills, SGS bonds and SSB to purchase. smile.gif

Better leave this thread for IBKR-related matters.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Sep 20 2022, 11:49 PM)
Custodian.

You need sg address for you to be able to participate in rights. Kinda of silly in this day and age.
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Not silly if you consider the different corporate laws and governance standards across different countries. wink.gif

No party wants to go to court of another country if things go wrong with rights subscriptions/disputes arise etc.

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