AND I SHOWED YOU DAVID WAS UNDER GRACE UMPTEEN TIMES!
See how you like to avoid the questions you cannot answer

AND FOR THE UMPTEEN TIME,

HOW WERE THE ISRAELITES AND THE REST OF THE SAGES JUSTIFIED UNDER YOUR "DSIPENSATION OF LAW"? 
Reading in English again.

The Law and prophets till John, the kingdom of God is preached...……

Why are you reading as if the Law and the prophets is ended at with John? Because you read with 'were'.
Why should it even end when Jesus said  Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Is all fulfilled yet? Are all the OT prophecies fulfilled yet?

And here is the thing about JEWISH understanding of what Jesus is saying about fulfilling of the Law. In Rabbinic understanding fulfilling of the Law is to teach the Law properly . To destroy the Law is to teach it incorrectly like the Pharisees.
That's the reason you see Jesus teaching about the Law in the following chapters. And I have shared this before. Obviosuly you aren't interested as you seem to  deem English scriptures were the original texts!

Pickin out a verse to justify the end of the law is just poor hermeneutics as you have demonstrated again and again.
The Law is written in our hearts, no longer on stones.

Heb 8: 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

And yes, the God you are describing changes His attributes along the way like a chameleon changes colours.
The God described in scriptures does not change His character and attributes.
Grace is the demonstration of HIs Love, compassion and the Law is the demonstration of His holiness and righteousness.

I somewhat agree with you. .......

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LUKE.24: (NKJV) = The Scriptures Opened

44 Then He said to them, “These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms concerning Me .” 45 And He opened their understanding, that they might comprehend the Scriptures.

46 Then He said to them, “Thus it is written, and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day, 47 and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in His name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. 48 And you are witnesses of these things. 49 Behold, I send the Promise of My Father upon you; but tarry in the city of Jerusalem until you are endued with power from on high.”
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Actually that verse confirmed what I said on the New Covenant concerning Christ.

Thank you so much.

I see where your confusion lies. You presume just because God gave favour to King David that makes it a dispensation age? That is not the way to intepret the Bible. Besides if you were to ask anyone from Bible college  they will tell you what I'm telling you.

Prophetjul. I'm talking about covenant. Timeline covenant. When the Law was given, that was the covenant cut between God and his people. The timeline was between mount sinai the moment God make a covenant with the Israel even before He wrote the 10 commandments on 2 tablets stone...all the way until John the Baptist being the last represented.

So King David lived under the Old Covenant mosaic law.

I'm sure you know what is old covenant and new covenant? Or have you forgotten this basic bible fact?

The phrase till it is fufilled is not refering to all prophecy but The Law being fufilled in the matter of Justification before God. Read it carefully.

When Jesus mention until it is fufilled it's refering to the Law NOT prophecy.

Matthew 5:17-18 (NIV)

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Read verse 17. Fufilling here does not mean to teach properly. In the Greek it means to complete it or to fufill it in action meaning to comply. From God's point of view fufilling it here refers to justification before Him in being righteous ie to qualify Salvation and in God's standard it has to be perfect.


James 2:10 (NIV) - For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

And Only Jesus could do that. Nobody could, not even King David.

And the phrase until everything is accomplished or has happened is in reference to his death at the cross which has everything much to do with fufilling the Law. No where is the word prophecy mention. You are the one who assume it has to do with prophecy.

And where do I base that the Law has been fufilled? Read this verse.

Romans 10:4 (KJV) - For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

I never say anything about God changing his character, God changed his covenant.
Hebrews 7:12 (NIV) - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

Hebrews 7:11 (NIV) - If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood--and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood--why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

Hebrews 8:13 (NIV) - By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Christian using a degorative words and you have the gumption to label me?

Yankee is a degorative term.

So you're saying you hated so much of the American translation of the Bible, you call them as Yankee?

That's quite high and mighty of you.

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https://www.quora.com/Is-it-offensive-to-ca...mericans-Yankee

No. See how you are always misinterpreting?
I was going on about the HERETIC Word faith, health and wealth gospel and suddenly you changed this to connection with American translations of the Bible?

You are something else.

And YES, I will be derogatory about the Yankee Word faith heresy.

yup...thats what Ive said.

What you said is likely wrong, ie you said Jesus Christ did not fulfill prophecies of the Law and the Prophets concerning Him.
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Wrt MATT.5:17-20, LUKE.24:44-49, during the 1st-century AD Jewish world, the question of who was the true Christ/Messiah/Saviour was of utmost importance because there were false christs - MATT.24:24.? Only Jesus of Nazareth could claim to be the true Christ/Messiah by having His credentials attested by the prophecies about Him in the Law and the Prophets and the Psalms, eg the Christ/Messiah had to die and rose again after 3 days. .......

MATT.16: = Peter Confesses Jesus as the Christ

13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”

14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

20 Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.
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1JOHN.2: = Deceptions of the Last Hour

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
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yes i did.

I see where your confusion lies. You presume just because God gave favour to King David that makes it a dispensation age? That is not the way to intepret the Bible. Besides if you were to ask anyone from Bible college  they will tell you what I'm telling you.

Prophetjul. I'm talking about covenant. Timeline covenant. When the Law was given, that was the covenant cut between God and his people. The timeline was between mount sinai the moment God make a covenant with the Israel even before He wrote the 10 commandments on 2 tablets stone...all the way until John the Baptist being the last represented.

So King David lived under the Old Covenant mosaic law.

I'm sure you know what is old covenant and new covenant? Or have you forgotten this basic bible fact?

The phrase till it is fufilled is not refering to all prophecy but The Law being fufilled in the matter of Justification before God. Read it carefully.

When Jesus mention until it is fufilled it's refering to the Law NOT prophecy.

Matthew 5:17-18 (NIV)

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.
Read verse 17. Fufilling here does not mean to teach properly. In the Greek it means to complete it or to fufill it in action meaning to comply. From God's point of view fufilling it here refers to justification before Him in being righteous ie to qualify Salvation and in God's standard it has to be perfect.


James 2:10 (NIV) - For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it.

And Only Jesus could do that. Nobody could, not even King David.

And the phrase until everything is accomplished or has happened is in reference to his death at the cross which has everything much to do with fufilling the Law. No where is the word prophecy mention. You are the one who assume it has to do with prophecy.

And where do I base that the Law has been fufilled? Read this verse.

Romans 10:4 (KJV) - For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

I never say anything about God changing his character, God changed his covenant.
Hebrews 7:12 (NIV) - For when the priesthood is changed, the law must be changed also.

Hebrews 7:11 (NIV) - If perfection could have been attained through the Levitical priesthood--and indeed the law given to the people established that priesthood--why was there still need for another priest to come, one in the order of Melchizedek, not in the order of Aaron?

Hebrews 8:13 (NIV) - By calling this covenant "new," he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

What you said is likely wrong, ie you said Jesus Christ did not fulfill prophecies of the Law and the Prophets concerning Him.
.

Wrt MATT.5:17-20, LUKE.24:44-49, during the 1st-century AD Jewish world, the question of who was the true Christ/Messiah/Saviour was of utmost importance because there were false christs - MATT.24:24.? Only Jesus of Nazareth could claim to be the true Christ/Messiah by having His credentials attested by the prophecies about Him in the Law and the Prophets and the Psalms, eg the Christ/Messiah had to die and rose again after 3 days. .......

MATT.16: = Peter Confesses Jesus as the Christ

13 When Jesus came into the region of Caesarea Philippi, He asked His disciples, saying, “Who do men say that I, the Son of Man, am?”

14 So they said, “Some say John the Baptist, some Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”

15 He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”

16 Simon Peter answered and said, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”

17 Jesus answered and said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

20 Then He commanded His disciples that they should tell no one that He was Jesus the Christ.
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1JOHN.2: = Deceptions of the Last Hour

18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.

22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
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yes i did.

My post been reported by this dissenter who question my avatar name.

Well that goes to show this person's genuine intention here.

Is not to extend any goodwill or promotion of Christianity, merely to demonstrate his "superior" debating skills due to some past offence he has towards Christians.

I have no issue with Christians but I really feel these type people (I came across before) are just here to cause division

Let me guess. It's LA

Cheers. We're all good.

Porn star is human too. Like how Jesus cares for prostitutes as well.

dunno why he wanna make a fuss even report me over my avatar name

I am not here to try to portray myself as holy person

I am just here because I notice a lot of trollers wanna just argue for the sake of argument.

going no where...

its either this:-

1) We want to learn and be taught...ask for more knowledge

Or

2) We ask, then consider, not agree- agree to disagree...just don't join the thread anymore, simple as that

the third one, the troller one

3) argue, argue, act pandai...just only want to demonstrate one want to show his superior knowledge and cause disunity and dissention.

Yes. And those often carry a baggage of the past. Or a mental illness that they're the right hand men of God (I've seen one myself) aka the guardian of the knowledge of the Bible.

I've been called an ex-Muslim because I know some verses or two, . Then someone who wanna create chaos in this thread, then a feminist. It's funny because those are a reflection of himself than me. I'm still me.

Let it not affect you. It's Saturday. Enjoy your lovely weekend smile.gif

why, and why? what happened?

what will happen if he doesn't reply?

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If you were a "pastor" of a Church thread like unknown warrior, what would you have done wrt FLYING PANTIES.?
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If it were me? Nothing I guess

Hey yooos all,

Hope you guys still in contact with God on daily basis.
If not at least on weekly basis.

I make it a point to do that, even though there are times I don't really feel like it and even though I'm flawed in many ways.
Do you know that God is not angry at you when you meet him honestly as you are, not hiding anything? It's God's grace. This is the gospel.

I remember about 4-5 years ago, the Christian Fellowship thread is like this.
Kinda sporadic. Few posts here and there but generally not moving.

I think we need strong and committed leaders to keep fellowship going strong and that takes effort. Effort in keeping oneself spiritually intuned with God all the time.

When the leader is spiritually strong, he will attract flocks of the Church to come together. Why? Because, in his life Christ is lifted and the Bible states that when Christ is lifted up, he will draw all man to himself. This works through that leader, as a vessel of Christ. People are generally hungry for God but it takes willing and committed leaders to be  used by God.

Hope you guys pray for me as well. I realize we all need each other.
Our fellowship is strong when we come together but I guess sometimes it's hard.

I know some of you look towards leadership. When the leader is weak, some people gets discouraged.
I think at times we need each other's encouragement and nudging. Nudging when we fall out of place or out of grace.

Don't be afraid to do that. The hand cannot say to the feet, I don't need you, this is the principal, Christ laid out for us as the body of Christ.

With that being said, be assured you are truly born again in Christ when you know you keep coming back despite of the temptations and dirt of this world.

Peace ya'll.

A leader in the context of being the threadstarter.

A Pastor bear's different responsibility. I think enough.

You are really not right in the head seriously. No more post is allowed from you, seeing that you're here to irritate and contribute nothing but animosity.

Why am I being tagged here? haha

I wasn't warned. Also, my post has nothing to do with inciting/provoking others.
You want to be mod and play cops and robbers?

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