I believe we are all united by this primary doctrine which cannot be shaken across denominations.

We believe in;
Triune God, God the Father, Jesus the Son of God, The Holy Spirit, One God

Jesus Christ is fully God and fully Man

Jesus Christ is born of virgin Mary by the power of Holy Spirit

Jesus Christ is the Messiah Ie Saviour of Man

Jesus Christ was born sinless and is without sin.

Jesus Christ died on the cross for the punishment of our sins And Rose Again, resurrected on 3rd Day

Jesus Christ ascended to Heavan, sat at Father's right hand.

Jesus Christ is coming again
Anyone who denies this is the Anti Christ.

1 John 4:3 (KJV) - and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

What 1 John 4:3 is saying is that anyone who denies Jesus is God, born as Man = Anti-Christ. The Spirit behind this is Satan.

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Also, know that most of the Wuhan-virus deaths in Malaysia and elsewhere are old folks with underlying diseases like diabetes and hypertension. These folks really need to follow the MCO and stay home = practice self-quarantine, social-distancing and wear face mask. Young folks with underlying diseases also. Know also that chronic stress weakens the immune system = can die from the Wuhan virus.
....... So, healthy, young and stress-free folks should not worry because they won't die even if infected by the Wuhan virus, ie they will recover.

Why is there no more Big numbers of Wuhan-virus deaths in Wuhan and the rest of China in recent days.? = know that it is because the Wuhan virus has done its job in taking out or killing all those who were vulnerable in China and did not stay home or self-lockdowned = Mission Accomplished by the Wuhan virus. The Wuhan virus reminds me of the Death angel who killed all the first-born sons during the Passover in Pharaoh's Egypt. Similar to the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ to earth when all unbelievers will be taken out or destroyed by Him.

The Wuhan virus pandemic is not very different from the 2009 H1N1 swine flu and seasonal flu pandemics(= no lockdowns or MCO for the latter). It is similar to the 2003 SARS and MERS virus epidemics.

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2020/...for-coronavirus - With obesity and diabetes epidemic, Mexico braces for coronavirus - Friday, 27 Mar 2020 - ''''''' Mexico had 475 confirmed cases of COVID-19 - the illness caused by the virus - and six deaths by Thursday. Four of those who died had diabetes and two suffered from hypertension - both conditions that can exacerbate the illness. A seventh Mexican who died in Peru also had diabetes. While four of the victims were over age 60, the other two were 55 and 41. '''''''

https://www.thestar.com.my/news/nation/2020...-21-of-covid-19 - Man, 63, is victim No 21 of Covid-19 -    Thursday, 26 Mar 2020 - ''''''' On Tuesday, Dr Hisham said that patients with early signs of symptoms should get tested and seek treatment.

He noted that most fatalities had so far been those with underlying health issues who sought treatment only at later stages of infection. '''''''

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Influenza_A_virus_subtype_H1N1 - ''''''' In June 2009, the World Health Organization (WHO) declared the new strain of swine-origin H1N1 as a pandemic. This novel virus spread worldwide and had caused 18,500 laboratory-confirmed deaths with an estimated 151,700 to 575,400 deaths total by August of 2010. '''''''
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HOSEA.4:6 = My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.
Because you have rejected knowledge,
I also will reject you from being priest for Me;
Because you have forgotten the law of your God,
I also will forget your children.
(The truths and facts of science are also knowledge.)
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It's Jesus own word

Matthew 28:18 (NIV) - Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Do you deny what Jesus says? The word ALL is there.

Yes you are swaying because you are contradicting the Bible, this is one of them.

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This is to show there is distinction. 3 persons of God. Yet 1 God.

The problem why you are unable to understand this is because you put God under limitation or it's impossible.

To me this is possible, just proves God is indeed God. It's the same mystery with "Eternal" very hard for the human mind to grasp this.

12 Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

13 Mine hand also hath laid the foundation of the earth, and my right hand hath spanned the heavens: when I call unto them, they stand up together.

14 All ye, assemble yourselves, and hear; which among them hath declared these things? The Lord hath loved him: he will do his pleasure on Babylon, and his arm shall be on the Chaldeans.

15 I, even I, have spoken; yea, I have called him: I have brought him, and he shall make his way prosperous.

16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me.

17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

18 O that thou hadst hearkened to my commandments! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

Jesus own word, read it.

Luke 24: 46-48 (NIV)

46 And He told them, “This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, 47 and in His name repentance and forgiveness of sins will be proclaimed to all nations, beginning in Jerusalem. 48 You are witnesses of these things.

see thew word dead? and rise?

What you term as salvific faith, we Catholics call it justification,. Why the difference I have no idea though, perhaps extreme antinomianism in play. Penance etc after repentance is actually Biblical, in fact penance and repentance are quite synonymous in the Bible:

Matthew 4:17 - From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say: Do penance, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Matthew 11:20 - Then began he to upbraid the cities wherein were done the most of his miracles, for that they had not done penance.
Matthew 11:21 - Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida: for if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the miracles that have been wrought in you, they had long ago done penance in sackcloth and ashes.
Matthew 12:41 - The men of Ninive shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they did penance at the preaching of Jonas. And behold a greater than Jonas here.

Luke 3:8 - Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of penance; and do not begin to say, We have Abraham for our father. For I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham.
Luke 5:32 - I came not to call the just, but sinners to penance.
Luke 10:13 - Woe to thee, Corozain, woe to thee, Bethsaida. For if in Tyre and Sidon had been wrought the mighty works that have been wrought in you, they would have done penance long ago, sitting in sackcloth and ashes.
Luke 11:32 - The men of Ninive shall rise in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it; because they did penance at the preaching of Jonas; and behold more than Jonas here.
Luke 13:3 - No, I say to you: but unless you shall do penance, you shall all likewise perish.
Luke 13:5 - No, I say to you; but except you do penance, you shall all likewise perish.
Luke 15:7 - I say to you, that even so there shall be joy in heaven upon one sinner that doth penance, more than upon ninety-nine just who need not penance.
Luke 15:10 - So I say to you, there shall be joy before the angels of God upon one sinner doing penance.
Luke 16:30 - But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance.
Luke 3:8-11 - Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of penance; and do not begin to say, We have Abraham for our father. For I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children to Abraham. 9 For now the axe is laid to the root of the trees. Every tree therefore that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down and cast into the fire. 10 And the people asked him, saying: What then shall we do? 11 And he answering, said to them: He that hath two coats, let him give to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do in like manner.
Luke 17:3 - Take heed to yourselves. If thy brother sin against thee, reprove him: and if he do penance, forgive him.
Luke 24:47 - And that penance and remission of sins should be preached in his name, unto all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Rev 2:4-5 -  But I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first charity. 5 Be mindful therefore from whence thou art fallen: and do penance, and do the first works. Or else I come to thee, and will move thy candlestick out of its place, except thou do penance.

Of course I realize some of you here thinks that penance is a dirty word in Christianity, something peculiar only to Catholics, and all that is needed was a genuine sense of sorrow for sin. Some even say that sorrow for sin was not needed. They claimed that repentance merely meant that you intellectually changed the way you thought from that moment forwards without any reference to past actions. I won't get into that debate here as I realize there are a multitude of denominations here having different ideas/teachings about that.

But no one is claiming that. Righteousness and justification is related. Your position will make James contradict Paul. Grace is indeed given by God, totally unmerited by us, yet we must still cooperate.

Neither "faith alone" nor "grace alone" nor "works alone" are correct when it’s used to say that you don’t need to in any way to cooperate with God’s grace, that a merely intellectual faith would save you, nor accepting the initial grace given but not persevering, nor relying on works alone without faith. All three by themselves without the others are false.

"Faith alone" - dead
"Grace alone" - without cooperating on our part make us like robots.
"Works alone" - reminiscent of Pelagianism, relying purely on human nature for salvation.

In Christian theology He is both God and Man.

but at least finally there is irrefutable proof that in Jesus own word, He died and ALSO rose again from the dead and it's something you are forced to acknowledge.

This is something you cannot TWIST!

As to how it's possible? Well slowly you will learn.

I think you are in a big dilemma here.

The apostles who wrote the new testament taught that Jesus is God.

The church that the apostles started worshipped Jesus as God.

Thousands of early literature from 100 AD wrote that Jesus is God

The enemies of Jesus knew that Jesus claimed He is God.

Roman and Jewish historians wrote that christians worshipped Jesus as God.

People who mocked christians knew they worshipped Jesus as God

Chirstians for 2000+ years worshipped Jesus as God.

At what point did you think that Christians got it wrong?

You are still evading my question. 

How come you are NOT complying to obey what Jesus says?

No one is perfect, You and I would have fallen short somedays in our life. So....

If your eyes or hands causes you to sin or stumble, gouge it out or chop it off?

* I'm talking about "submitting" or "obeying" here.

It's plain as day what Christ said on this.

The biggest threat to one's religion is the people in the religion itself.

Faith, religion, spirituality, whatever you call it.

People ask me what's my religion, what branch. It's easy for me to say Christianity, hard for me to group myself into a specific category.

I believe in the holy spirit, I believe in 3 in 1, I believe in Jesus as God, and son of God, and I believe the Bible.

Whatever sect one is fighting for, you may just pray that the other person see the truth. More often that not, it's God who moves one's heart.

I have seen very kind and nice Catholic, and I have NO right to correct them.

PS Been reading Ruth - as it's only 4 chapters and rather easy to understand. Thinking how amazing the lineage of Jesus, from Judah, descendants of Leah the outcast, and descendants of David, whose great-grandmother was not even a Jewish but a Boaz.

Now back to the book of Judges.

You can watch the movie 'the Case for Christ'.

Very good movie.

Erm what are you guys arguing about again?

Sometimes we get too absorbed in defending our own views, that we fail to truly understand what the other party is trying to convey.

Pls be careful with what you say to each other. I'm pretty sure Christians are not the only ones reading this thread.

Cheers.