As per title, humbly ask the opinions of fellow members

What is your preferred driving style?
Drive fast?
Corner Hard?
Long distance cruising?
Quiet?
Comfort?
Good grip in dry surfaces?
Priority on wet braking?

Both tyre are made for different purposes.
You can't have both (eg, grip during corner, while being quiet and fuel saving).
Hence, you will need to understand your preference (what you like and don't like) in order to decide.

Not well versed on tyres but i find the stock tyres from Honda noisy and bumpy

my daily commute is drive to work in city therefore traffic jam is there
probably once a month have to go south so got long distance too; i tend to stick to 110 - 140 km/h

if i have to choose, would like less noise in cabin and smoother drive tyres
any suggestion? budget maybe below 700 per tyre

PS4

What size tyre? 215/50/17 (top spec Civic Turbo)?

215/45/17 I check PS4 at most also 550, and I consider that way too expensive. Primacy is a bit cheaper than PS4 usually.

This post has been edited by Failed JJ: Sep 24 2019, 12:02 PM

Well for HR-V, its not meant for you to corner hard.
More for comfort, long distance cruise and a more relax driving style.
Also in Malaysia, we get a lot of heavy rain.

Primacy 4 will be more suitable for you.

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Primacy 4 will be much more quieter and comfortable than PS4.
Plus its cheaper than PS4 (depending on tyre size).

so in other words
primacy 4 for comfort
pilot sport 4 for performance
right?

i think mine is 215/55/r17/94v

i prefer comfort then, any dealers/shops to recommend around klang valley?

Try Hin Leong tyre @ Klang or Teoh Brothers @ Klang.

The most competitive price around after comparing many.

225/50R17 Primacy4 they quote 430 so yours should be cheaper.

Wow thats good price. i thought it will be more than 500 per donut
Most probably i will call/visit either one of them in the next 2 months

I also prefer Primacy4 for comfort plus cheaper than PS4. PS4 good for high performance car

another question for all, the pressure usually pump what? i go with 220psi as per suggestion from the driver seat there (i usually drive alone or max 1 passenger)

a friend mentioned that try to pump less than max to prolong tire life.. is that true?

When your tyre is under inflated, the rolling resistance increases and so does your fuel consumption. And higher tyre wear should come along so no it does not prolong tire life. Just pump to the recommended pressure should do.

primacy 4 is around rm 400 in klang valley.currently they do have primacy 3 2019 stock too.u can check it out.should be around rm 320+-

Recently bought ps4 215/45/17 for rm389. U can try Michelin TyrePlus at Shah alam. Came with everything, balancing, realignment, nitrogen gas. So far satisfied with the ps4. I bought from lazada tho, not sure if same if just go to shop directly

Priority is less noise? Then no need think liao. Primacy is your answer.

I have been using performance tires but my current set is Primacy3ST (Primacy will be even better) due to the low price offer now. It is so quiet that I cant get used to it at first. Also my car is already 7 years+ and after changing to Primacy, can feel the urge to repair car since now can hear a lot clearer of some noises coming the suspension and under carriage which were previously subdued by the noisier tires.

Primacy 4 nowadays is not so much silent already.
Already got member complain of higher noise level compare to Primacy 3ST (ST means Silent Tread) after upgrading to it.
Nowadays Michelin is promoting more towards safety, as they are the best in term of wet & dry braking distance even after the tire wear out.

If want only the best silent & comfort ride tire in market now is the Yokohama Advan DB V552.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Sep 26 2019, 10:45 AM

ok cool, but why nitro?
if need to pump have to go specific places right?
any difference of pumping norma vs nitro?

anyway thanks alot for all sifu recommendations, yes will proceed to get primacy 4

on a side note; HRV really got alot of sounds, so maybe after changing tires can hear the sound even more obvious.. lucky still under warranty

If free go for it. If need to ask for extra money for the nitrogen gas just forget it.
Just a simple google or youtube a lot of these are just scam (Same as chamber nut change, also a scam) for tire shop to earn more money.

Our air got almost 78.09% nitrogen, so paying extra for it is no brainer.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-percentag...ygen-in-the-air

This post has been edited by littlefire: Sep 26 2019, 10:52 AM

No difference. Pumping nitrogen into street tires is one of the biggest scam from tire shops.

ok interesting to know

one last question to members, what is the rule of thumb; when to change tires?

mine was based on duration.. for 3 years i got the car never change b4, basically my friend told me the tire still looks ok but i guess out of safety id rather not the risk la

what about you guys??

With no criteria set by TS, I would say PS4 hands down is the better tyre.

The old saying was tires would last for 5 years and then it will start to degrade. However lately I came across a Continental website which claimed their tires could last till 10 years. I'm running on a set of Conti CSC5 which was manufactured in 2014. I thought I want to change but would instead just test it out to see if it would indeed last 10 years, since its only a weekend car.

For safety, it is still better to check the thread depth indicator. Even when the indicator is level with the tire surface, you still have 2-3mm thread which is ok for pretty much anything except aquaplanning maybe more severe. If low mileage, I used to encourage my parents to change every 5 years (provided you get fresh tires everytime aka same year manufacturing as the time you purchased it).

Not really. Nitrogen is really a convenient. Even though air is >70% nitrogen, there is still 20%++ of fluctuation. I have tried nitrogen on few occasions and the fluctuation is really minimal. 1-2 PSI after few months which is nuts compared to air only.

It depends on the tire durability, your driving style, type of car, and average mileage travelled. With combination of these factors, it can last from just a year to even 5-6 years. So cannot really say change every 3 or 4 years is a must for all. You just need to observe the condition. For example, some tires tread can finish faster before rubber becoming hardened/cracking, some have treads that can last very long but rubber can start to crack/hardened. Your driving style and average distances are also a major factor in this.

For example for my driving style (faster and more aggressive than average), mileage travelled (+/- 80-100km/day), my type of cars and tires (high performance tires) usually my tires last just around 3 years or between 40-50k km.

physically inspect your tyres, if almost botak then it's time to change, SUV tyre can last around 50k with moderate driving behavior (no vroom vroom)

Here are my sharing after using 3 sets of Pilot Sport 3 and a set of Primacy 3 ST. The new version 4 should be improvement over the version 3. Both are good tyres designed with different purpose in mind and their difference shows when you test them to the limit. For daily drive I’ll still go for primacy although the slight disappointment during genting run, it’s still a decent tyre. If you want to bring up track day then these tires isn’t for you... go for slick tyre instead.

Primacy series:
+long lasting thread life(~60k km)
+silent and comfort(marshmallow like)
+good grip
+cheaper
-soft tyre(some ppl like it hard)
-not recommended for super hard driving(it still can but ESP/ESC will light up often)

Pilot Sport:
+superb grip(pilot super sport lagi powahhh)
+hard corner/touge oso can
-Noise, vibration, harshness is acceptable but definitely lose to primacy
-shorter life but still acceptable(~40k km)
-pricier

Agree. I changed from primacy 3st to primacy 4 immediately feel the tyre is noisier and stiffer. But handling is still good.

205/55/16 PS4 RM345

Mind to share the location?

that is cheap, in penang island PS4 prices all above RM400++, ive got mine for RM430 per donut 205/50/R16

i changed at kim heng sunway
if not mistaken is 420 per piece

penang michelin primacy 4 or PS4 all around RM400 for my size 205/55r16

I just went check at hock cheong tyre at prangin road.
205/55/16 at $360per pc for michelin primacy 4. $330 for xm2+.

including balancing/alignment??

im using primacy 3st now and over 80k mileage ady.. thinking to change in next weekend.. thanks for ur info btw.. many choices but plan to continue wiht michelin which i'm really feel satisfied..

Yes. Incl balancing & alignment.

thank you.. i will go there once i have further surveyed my nearby michelin tyres shop.. the latest i have was back to just before CNY time.. asked for 400 and 390 for different michelin shop.

thats cheap , i got quoted on 195/55/16 for Primacy 4 in KL is Rm350 per donut

best wet grip is primacy or pilot sport?

Pilot Sport > Primacy for wet grip.

PS definitely.

Thanks. Gonna try PS3 on my 2009 Persona hahaha

May I know what is the difference of primacy 4 Vs primacy 4st? Seeing some seller on lazada selling primacy 4, some only primacy 4st

FYI, there is no ST for Primacy 4
Only Primacy 3 got ST

ST = Silent Treads (Low Noise)

Primacy 4 already ditch the ST to gain better overall safety in term of braking in dry & wet situation when even new & wear out situation.

This post has been edited by littlefire: Oct 20 2020, 12:09 PM

here's my opinion from someone who frequents trackdays

GRIP, the mythical properties everyone keep talking about, but to me it's completely irrelevant in the usual street.

Please, don't kid yourself - when was the last time you heard your tyre screeching while take a corner?
Or braking, most ppl thinks grippier tyre = better emergency stop, it's true to a certain extend, but most don't understand weight distribution, you need to progressively increase the load to your front tyre before it can handle such emergency stop. What happens to commoners when they want emergency brake? Well - in less then 0.5 seconds they just stomp on the brakes, and your ABS activated, which translate to even higher stopping distance(bad),. you don't want your ABS to activate in order to achieve maximal deceleration. Because of your technique, you've just disregarded your "grippier" tyre benefit as traction is proportionate to WEIGHT applied onto it, not surface area or wider tyre

The point is, performance oriented tyres for the streets are really of no substantial benefit to your everyday driver, unless you are someone who are used to semi-slicks tyres and knows and can feel instinctively your car's grip, most driver don't even come close to the limit of a basic well inflated, within operating temperature michelin primacy 4 grip.

For me, i use comfort oriented tyre for my daily/comfort/family car - because that car has <300hp and don't really have the hp/torque to break traction on every corner exit anyway.

Instead of choosing a tyre of safety, try driving safely instead of pushing into a corner on a rainy day thinking you got a PS4s and it's OK to do such things.

This post has been edited by Spitzer: Oct 21 2020, 02:05 PM

I emergency brake once...running on p7... t bone 3rd party front wheel by 6"... my 2 months old new car bumper bended clips broke... I think if running ps4 I'd probably stop with at least 1 feet to spare... 3rd party fault btw

so for day to day driving...better grip can mean stop at the roadside...or stuck in a longkang otherwise

This post has been edited by dwRK: Oct 21 2020, 10:51 PM

An update for all, I have changed to Michelin Primacy 4 after opening this thread. No regrets, pretty much the best investment indeed. Quiet on surface and comfortable experience

awesome... btw what is the treadwear rating?

erm honestly i do not know much about tyres, so i didnt find out much of the detailing part
all i know is after i switched to michelin prim4 from the stock tyres, i find my driving experience better as i go outstation alot

initially the tyre shop filled in nitro for me, but nowadays i dont care, just fill in regular air

340, only a bit higher than PS4 at 320.

thanks

1. What was your stock tyre brand?

2. How about handling and cornering?

if not mistaken bluearth or something like that

which shop you change yours bro?

Not sure why you want to use emergency braking as a scenario to compare tires performance. Moreover how people drive on road is not that much difference than on track. The car behind cant make the car in front disappear. Braking would be applied appropriately unless in cases of emergency or someone get hot headed and trying to outdrive the car.

I had used a set of PS3 in the past and now using PS3 ST. Even though these give similar grip somewhat, however there are big differences in braking, body roll etc. You do need to adjust driving behaviours to make up the loss of performance in the tires. Even my wife complained about my driving after changing the tires. The difference in braking performance alone affected the ride comfort to the point that she felt like Im driving too fast.

Even though the difference maybe subjective to everyone, it is just blatant stupid to disregard the difference because of certain aspects that occurred in certain situations.

Dear sifu....do ou guys think is it worth getting Year 2020 tyre?

Yes it's fine, even as old as 2019 are still fine. They actually provide the best value for money because they're still perfectly fine as new but much cheaper clearance price just due to older manufacturing date. These kind of older tires by 1-2 years are actually my favourite when looking for tires.

Thanks buddy, I can now peacefully choose 2020 tyre PS4 for my Honda Civic

How much per donut bro?

It has been 4 years, how is the quietness of this tyres now, ts?

This post has been edited by Zhik: Apr 26 2024, 05:34 PM

prefer comfort than primacy for sure..

it might kill your tire faster.
if primacy is what you after... 80k km only change new set is not abnormal yea...

You free to play around 200~280kpa and i think you mean kpa? Cause normal tire has 300~350kpa max or 40psi max (cold air)

What? 80k KMs only change tyres? What tyre can last 80k?

What's so surprising? Someone here used XM2 for over 100k, if not mistaken I think it's zeng

Anyone use UC7 before?

Ya just change last month.

More comfy and less road noise than bridgestone potenza re004.

Yes, I'd been having 115 +-K km with several pairs of XM2 (185/70R14) over the past decade or so.

Note: With a residual tread depth of 2.0 -2.5 mm 'ish vs manufacturer recommendation of 1.6 mm tread depth for tyre replacement.


Current front and rear pairs of XM2 have done 50K and 22K km respectively thus far - and is probably good to repeat history again.

That's not true!

I'd been doing 40psi (275 kpa) with XM2 all these while.

Have u tried primacy 4 before? Was wondering how it compares to primacy 4

Primacy can last about 80k, PS can last about 50k

Both under normal drive yea...

How do you make them last 100k?

Like 50kmh all the time?

Got but that was back in 2020 and primacy tyre now so expensive almost 600+ per donut.

I can't tell the performance but comfort and noise is pretty similar.

common sense a bit can or not?

Huh? Serious here... I'm mostly 100kmh or so and I get 40k with primacy3(correction, was using primacy3 not 4) with Sonata YF. You get 80k with whatever car you are driving... so I'm wondering half the speed?

This post has been edited by andrekua2: May 27 2024, 03:32 PM

my bad then, air pressure is good?

I was using altis back then air pressure at front 240kPA; rear 230/220kPA. This air pressure thing, you need to feel with your butt on the best combination when coasting, over holes / bump. In Altis 10th Gen, I feel it was the best combination.
Pen <--> KL once a month.... speed about 130+
Then changed to PS4 used for 30k then sold off the car due to MCO and not back to office until today.

Having another myvi with me on PS3, can use almost 60k still not touching the 1.6mm yet but changed for peace of mind.

+edit: Yes that was Primacy 3, then I changed to PS4 after Primacy almost touching the 1.6mm

This post has been edited by blindmutedeaf: May 28 2024, 08:38 AM

I 'followed' tyre manufacturer recommendation on tread wear indicator mark of 1.6 mm depth and 10 year old rules on tyre replacement.

Socalled tyre rot, roughened, scratches, hairline cracks, tyre noise, tyre hardening etc etc fear mongering are not the criteria of replacing tyres.

Most importantly, wheel alignment (as and when necessary or once in 2-3 years).

Bro, so far which shop best alignment you get? Tired of sending my Gen2 to different alignment shop each time need to go back redo again due to steer to left. It's not due to worn out parts as this symptom since new car already behave like this, and last year I've spent over 2-3k replace all undercarriage parts.

Yes... Im not changing tyres before it reach the indicator mark got 'even' with the surface...

Well, Im using 215/55/R17... air pressure around 32 or 33 PSI. The thing is that I used both PS3 and Primacy3 on the same car. Roughly 40k on both... hence why Im wondering how on earth did some of you get double my mileage...

This post has been edited by andrekua2: May 28 2024, 12:59 PM

For good tyre life, Speed City Tyre and Trading Sdn Bhd in Post #1 of my thread

https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=109816226

has proven to be good in tyre longevity in Avanza.

My hunch is Oscar should be ok in tyre life too, but yet to be proven as time will tell on my yesterday's wheel alignment by Oscar.

The headache part is locating a shop that can consistently gaodim or correcting problems like steering wheel off-centre AND/OR vehicle pulling/drifting to either side problem.

My search for such a specific shop continues........

This post has been edited by zeng: May 28 2024, 09:37 PM

My hunch is your wheel alignment numbers were the culprit, never mind they are all greens and within oem specs.

The devils (of undesirable shorter tyre life) are always in the details.

Imho, tyre brand, tyre air pressure and driving speed etc are not so much a 'real' problem as most or all drivers here has got it quite right.

This post has been edited by zeng: May 28 2024, 09:45 PM

Agree to what zeng mention. It could be your alignment issue and your tyre pressure could be on lower side,
but again it is about the feeling - IMHO, the factory recommended air pressure is the minimum, and when coast, can you feel your car wanna slow down or maintain the speed is the key; if it wanna slow down then your air pressure is low.

Secondly, do you fetch a lot of weigh in your car such as boot full of equipment, always full load and etc?
Meantime can you describe how your tyre when it is fully used? It is eating a side (the side nearer to car body or facing outside) of the tyre or as a whole?

If as a whole, still most likely air pressure / high load, if a side then you have some other problems.

If my tyres are eating one side, do you think it would last 40k?

The tyres pressure is one of the reason I guess. I disliked the bouncy feeling if I were to pump 35PSI or above, hence I lowered it for comfort and also felt better when cornering.

most of my different brand tyres last 80-100k... i change not because really botak but after so long got bored wanna try something new

secret to my long lasting tyres... smooth driving style, camber and toe alignment for highway driving, tyre selection and pressure

on pressure, different cars, tyres and sizes need different pressure for optimal contact/wear... my cars i pump them all differently based on how the tyre sits and how it wears...

if your tyre eat one side despite proper toe alignment, most likely problem is camber... if camber is also good, then you most likely have a chasis or torque drive problem...

Absolutely agree it is MINIMUM, to support the factory designed loads.

Below this MINIMUM, the 4 tyres cannot support the designed loads.

And you don't need higher than MINIMUM to support the designed loads.

But heck, the typical open market tyres of say, Load Index H88 or higher are designed and manufactured to withstand at a working pressure of MAXIMUM 350 kpa (51 psi).

Note: Some smaller tyre size has a lower MAXIMUM value of lower than 51 psi.

Hence ALL tyres can operate anywhere between MINIMUM and MAXIMUM, as far as the tyres (and its manufacturers ) are concerned though factory designed loads does NOT require it.

This post has been edited by zeng: May 29 2024, 11:05 AM

i forgot to say... don't under inflate too much... can be vey dangerous... 1-2 psi probably ok...

some random yt fyi... plenty more you can search yourself...