Yes ppl. I got annoyed by the people who read the Claymore manga and been spouting spoilers for the anime after every post.

So anyway, yeah this is for discussion of the anime only. If something not shown in anime yet and want to discuss what happened in the manga, please SPOILER TAGS. Thanks.

Ep 13...wtf la, they still never revealed why Orphelia going around killing humans/Claymores for fun. What is the organization doing? She got no handler? And now she awaken liow.

This post has been edited by wolfx: Jul 1 2007, 04:09 AM

Actually Ophelia made good Claymore as she is very skillful and dedicated. Plus she got IQ, as you can see from her counter strategies. The Organization couldn't be bothered as long she is on their side.

How about the part where she go emo in the rain? Stress kua?

and i regret reading the wikipedia entry before watching the anime ... >_>

LoL, this thread was bound to happen.

What about Teresa?

Ophelia just doesn't care about his comrade or humans. Killing people is a fun thing to do for her, so having fun is all she wants.

And about why she got no handler. IMO, that was planed by the organization at that time only, other time I do not know( might be when she notice that her handler is not there, then kill all she wants ). Maybe they want to execute Clare cause she had 1/2 awakened, so the job is perfect for Ophelia since shes on drugs for Awakened ones.

you can just tell this in the original Claymore thread. Even if you give permission of them telling spoiler when using spoiler thread, the existance of that spoiler beats the original purpose of this thread.....

If its revealed later then its fine. But as of ep 13, its still not revealed and this is lousy plotting IMHO.

If that were the case, they should've let Teresa alone too. But look what happened. Single digits killed or di-cacatkan, and one turned into Awakened Being. Rugi teruk or not, for hunting Teresa?

And the big plot hole as of now is The Org. The Org seems to be the one profitting from the Yoma outbreaks and Awakened Ones seem to be allowed to happen by them. I mean you go around wasting your resources to hunt a Claymore who has killed a human under unforeseen circumstances then end up getting an Awakened Being. This is either very stupid of them or the plot is too obvious and points to them being the evil ppl.

Keep this a non spoiler thread. If they do reveal stuff in the manga, and you feel compelled to share, put them in spoiler tags.

Nana Mizuki will be voicing one of the future characters in episode 15. A character called Riful.

True. But I did told them to use spoiler tags when needed. Some will put up the spoiler tag, few days later no more spoiler tag. And some will argue that the spoiler tag is not needed. Thus, making me lazy to argue about it.

Seriously, is it that hard to clicky on the spoily tagy twicey?

My speculation is the Organization is more sinister than what it seems. But just a speculation, nothing else.

Certain turnover rate of Claymore is desirable because someone who is on the frontline too long will know Organization modus operandi and setup well. A secretive organization do not like the idea that their agents knew them too much. It reminds me of KGB and more close historical counterpart, the Knights Templar who later on become the Freemasons. KGB for overwhelming Big Brother feel and warrior monk like creed similar to the Templars while making money at the same time.

Theresa resigned herself to work for her boss despite knowledge that periodically villages that did not have $$$$ will not have a chance in hell to get rid of Yomas. She said it herself in the anime so it does reveal the sinister extend of the Organization. In new sidestory chapter of Claymore manga, she said it again.

Ophelia fits the shoe well as she is so obsessed of hunting down Awaken Beings and Yomas, disregarding the big picture. Plus her constant negative mental state will one day tripped and she will be Awaken. Perfectly fine for Organization since she is useful for a while and has a predictable expiry time despite being a very powerful no 4. It is her failure to rein in her anger and it is compounded by the fact she was defeated by unknown opponent which galled her fragile self worth even more. Her self worth is defined by her victories and Awaken Beings kill score. Undoubtedly it gave her an extra edge in her obsession to kill Yomas and Awaken Beings but when it went all wrong, she blame her failure on others and become out of control. Lack of empathy, unreasonable hatred and dissonance of blame are good candidates for negative mental state overflow which cause her to tip over the edge.

Claymore emotional state is big factor in controlling their demonic urges, Ophelia maybe a very skillful warrior with good IQ but her EQ absolutely sucked. Of course the Organization don't give a shit about her lack of EQ as long as she is on their side.

Miria/Millia did not fit in well since she is probing too much into the Organization and it is just an "accident" she is assigned to lead the group that encountered the male Awaken Being consisted of other troublesome Claymores. In this scenario the Organization wins both ways since if they lose, they will get rid themselves of unwanted Claymores and if they win, they remove an Awaken Being then get paid for it too.

Claire has stable emotional state ever since Raki come into the picture and she do have Theresa inside of her so she represent the unknown factor which the Organization really worried. She has no definite expiry date and her abilities is hard to be classified since she is an unknown quality as a warrior. Even Galatea is bit shocked when Claire actually can detect her presence and she must be wondering who is this no 47 that actually can sense her at such range. For the Organization she is a " dan lain-lain" element and must be dealt with.

Oh by the way, the sidestory chapter of Claymore rocks. More Faint Smile and new Claymore, Rosemary.

This post has been edited by Stormy001_M1A2: Jul 1 2007, 03:41 PM

clare quite weak

but i lup her more i like weak girl

Dude that's not speculation. Its OBVIOUSLY FISHY at this point.

Wah lew you talk as if Freemasons Knight Templars and Illuminati are confirmed to be real. But as it is yeah they don't want their Claymores to know too much it seems and if they have outlived their usefullness they will be gotten rid off. Seems like they are quite expendable as well and easily replaced.

Geh the rest hopefully the anime will deliver. Cause right now i feel the whole Organization plot is too silly.


This post has been edited by wolfx: Jul 1 2007, 10:53 PM

I dont know if you consider this a spoiler or not, but reasons for Ophelia being so hellbent on killing Awakened Beings will be revealed in the next episode. It will have something to do with her brother, if you remember how she was mumbling about him shortly before she awakened.

And as for the Organisation, well, more of that to come in the later episodes. Wont spoil much here since this is the anime thread after all. XD

Heheheheh to me, Knights Templar + Gnosticism = Freemasons.

Lets see. Making lil girls into demons, mostly against their will (as gleaned from Clare's statement that she's the first and only person to become a Claymore willingly). Hiding the truth about male awakened beings (i.e. saying in the earlier episodes that only girls could be claymore when it is in fact due to males willingly becoming awakened that prohabits using them).

Yup, nothing fishy about the organization.

I wouldn't say it was against their wills, but more like the Organization had to pickup all these girls whose families have been killed by Yoma thus having a deep hatred for Yoma and who also don't want to be like them.

The difference with Clare was, Clare was the only human that travelled with a Claymore and accepted by one. Thus she knew how they work and what was their mission. (most humans are as afraid of Claymores as they are of the Yoma) In knowing this, when her companion is killed, she went to find an Org agent and ask him to make her into one, as opposed to the Org having have to collect girls who have no idea what Claymores really are. But the girls would have to wililngly fight for the Org due to their common hatred for Yoma.

When I started watching this, my first thought was. Wow violent and plotless. Fighting is inimaginative and the plot is monster and er. pretty girls


But as the show goes on, I find that, well Its not half bad. There is a history in there. An underlying story that is slowly oozing out. Its nice. But not really THAT nice. Maybe because i was pampered by Darker then Black

They never referred themselves as Claymore, it is nicknamed used by humans in the story since they carry massive swords.

their sword itself is call claymore...according to wiki The name claymore is thought to be from claidheamh mòr-a Gaelic term meaning "great sword". However, another theory suggests it comes from claidheamh da lamh, literally "two-hand sword." Claidheamh is ultimately cognate with Latin gladius. As such the use of the term 'claymore' for the two-handed sword is considered debatable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claymore

btw....epsd 14 from eclispe edy release...i am dlding now!

Thanks for the heads up death_nite.