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MeToo
post Jul 12 2019, 10:55 AM

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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Jul 12 2019, 10:11 AM)


Don't just penalise bikers that are using / buying high grade helmets (e.g.: NOLAN / SHOEI / ARAI / HJC / etc...)  mad.gif  vmad.gif  bruce.gif  knock.gif
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For every single helmet model that is sent to SIRIM for testing they will DESTROY that helmet.

SO its almost impossible to get certification for rare models and/or limited stuff. If the seller can sell only 5 units but need to send 1 unit to be destroyed... the margin how?

Thats why ARAI/SHOEI or any expensive brands, difficult to find variety in Msia. And if got might not be SIRIM approved.
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post Jul 12 2019, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(Justin.Loong @ Jul 12 2019, 10:51 AM)
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Have you bought from them before?
If yes, how was it? OK? No problems with shipping?  smile.gif
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hvnt bought frm motodin...
shipping shud be no prob la..

prob is if tahan kastam... tht time.. nid to run here run there..
each fler hv their own version of rules..

ha.. itu maciam nid to think more than twice.. wana buy ornot...
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post Jul 12 2019, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 12 2019, 10:55 AM)
For every single helmet model that is sent to SIRIM for testing they will DESTROY that helmet.

SO its almost impossible to get certification for rare models and/or limited stuff. If the seller can sell only 5 units but need to send 1 unit to be destroyed... the margin how?

Thats why ARAI/SHOEI or any expensive brands, difficult to find variety in Msia. And if got might not be SIRIM approved.
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if helmet got ece cert, importer no nid get sirim dy...


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post Jul 12 2019, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(skyblu3 @ Jul 11 2019, 09:44 PM)
Meaning sirim jpj trying is better than tuv, dot, Snell?

Wow.
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You know what standards mean? Literally being equal or same. And Malaysia is a member of International Standard Organisation. So either MS1 or ECE22 it is equal on minimum requirements. Manufacturer can of course go beyond but the testing regime is only to find out if this requirement being fullfil or not.

The standards are also based on local law. In this respect the law that is related to helmet are
1. All motorcycle rider/pillion are required to wear helmet.
2. Legal speed limit is 110km/j

So the cokia MS88 helmet is within this minimum requirements to lower down the cost/price as the target markets are for the mass. Is it better than Arai? No. Is it pass the test? Yes.

Back to the question why kastam need SIRIM when ECE sticker is there. This is more to proof the ECE is real deal. How would you know if you not test it. It is even important to the user as it is common knowledge that you can purchase new 'Arai rx7' for RM500 je.

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post Jul 12 2019, 11:31 AM

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QUOTE(mypie @ Jul 12 2019, 11:20 AM)

Back to the question why kastam need SIRIM when ECE sticker is there. This is more to proof the ECE is real deal. How would you know if you not test it. It is even important to the user as it is common knowledge that you can purchase new 'Arai rx7' for RM500 je.
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there is no mention need to hv both.

most of the branded helmet legally sold here dont hv sirim, some hv jpj sticker, some dont hv.
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post Jul 12 2019, 11:56 AM

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my helmet only go ECE cert sticker.... i guess im good then lol...
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post Jul 12 2019, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(MeToo @ Jul 12 2019, 10:55 AM)
For every single helmet model that is sent to SIRIM for testing they will DESTROY that helmet.

SO its almost impossible to get certification for rare models and/or limited stuff. If the seller can sell only 5 units but need to send 1 unit to be destroyed... the margin how?

Thats why ARAI/SHOEI or any expensive brands, difficult to find variety in Msia. And if got might not be SIRIM approved.
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Yes, correct on the bolded part.
IINM, helmet importers / manufacturers need to send around 10 pcs (maybe more?) for testing.
SIRIM (as well as other testing bodies) will test on penetration, drop, immersion, heat, etc...
Like the pictures below.
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Referring to your limited / rare certification, again IINM, no need to send the actual limited edition for testing.
For example; if a manufacturer has 300 units limited edition (like the SZ Ram 4 Oriental below), no need to send the actual unit (SZ Ram 4 Oriental) but send the actual model (SZ Ram 4) for SIRIM testing.
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Anyhow, just FYI on helmet testing standards pictures below.
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post Jul 12 2019, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jul 12 2019, 11:04 AM)
hvnt bought frm motodin...
shipping shud be no prob la..

prob is if tahan kastam... tht time.. nid to run here run there..
each fler hv their own version of rules..

ha.. itu maciam nid to think more than twice.. wana buy ornot...
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post Jul 12 2019, 01:04 PM

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post Jul 12 2019, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(basilisk @ Jul 12 2019, 11:31 AM)
there is no mention need to hv both.

most of the branded helmet legally sold here dont hv sirim, some hv jpj sticker, some dont hv.
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You are right. It is redundant to have both. As you can see, this sign board placed at public areas at the border enterence to warn and only applicable to the casual importers who accidentally (or not) bring in the helmet in small quantities. For the commercial importers with large consignments, they either have the proper cert to proof the standards and legality or send few sample of the same batch for testing. For this, you wouldn't see the sirim sticker.

How the testing is conducted for your viewing pleasure.


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waveweaver
post Jul 12 2019, 07:27 PM

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Sirim MS1 is better than ECE 22.05.. Sirim do the same test as ECE but with additional puncture test. Minimum legal cert needed in Malaysia is ECE 22.05
DOT is mandatory in US. Unfortunately DOT is honorary cert. Dept of Transport US give a guideline and helmets manufacture do their own test. It's a loophole that some manufacture take by not doing any testing at all. That's why FIM does not recognize DOT cert for any of their Grand Prix races. Any helmet that want to be use in official race must have atleast ECE cert then only FIM will allow the helmet to be tested by FIM.

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post Jul 13 2019, 12:35 AM

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post Jul 15 2019, 08:47 AM

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QUOTE(waveweaver @ Jul 12 2019, 07:27 PM)
Sirim MS1 is better than ECE 22.05.. Sirim do the same test as ECE but with additional puncture test. Minimum legal cert needed in Malaysia is ECE 22.05
DOT is mandatory in US. Unfortunately DOT is honorary cert. Dept of Transport US give a guideline and helmets manufacture do their own test. It's a loophole that some manufacture take by not doing any testing at all. That's why FIM does not recognize DOT cert for any of their Grand Prix races. Any helmet that want to be use in official race must have atleast ECE cert then only FIM will allow the helmet to be tested by FIM.
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Which was why some riders were temporarily using other brands rather than their own sponsored brands. brows.gif
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This post has been edited by Justin.Loong: Jul 15 2019, 08:49 AM

 

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