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zacky chan
post Jul 8 2019, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 8 2019, 04:04 PM)
no not yet, hopefully soon
pening skerang nih

macam headless chicken pun ada
aiyaiyai...
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pening pasal apa tu??mai habaq kat cek laugh.gif

pasal LCA ke?
atreyuangel
post Jul 8 2019, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(zacky chan @ Jul 8 2019, 04:10 PM)
pening pasal apa tu??mai habaq kat cek  laugh.gif

pasal LCA ke?
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you know how headless jiken run

hahaha

mana bleh bagi tau details..

mati aku hahaha
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post Jul 8 2019, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jul 8 2019, 01:41 AM)
It is thus, important for us to define the role of the armed forces vis-a-vis other civilian security forces and to ensure that all agencies work hand in hand to complement each other’s functions.
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Malaysia has held a non-aligned foreign policy posture since the 1970s, even at the height of the Cold War, and has put much more emphasis on diplomacy than on any need to showcase military might in dealing with other countries. But this should not discount the importance of the armed forces training to be ready for any scenario of war or conflict, and to conduct what is called defence diplomacy activities with other countries. Indeed, the primary role of the armed forces is to prepare and to train for war.
Excellent points that even some of us here forget.

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Contrary to the perception that members of the armed forces “sit in their barracks and have nothing to do”, they train daily, involving themselves in exercises, patrolling borders, going on operations assigned to them and carrying out secondary duties to provide military assistance to civil authorities.
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n fact, some ships sail more than 200 days a year.
Excellent point, very important to highlight these to civilians.

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The armed forces, being the most organised force in the country, should provide assistance to civilian authorities and conduct operations other than war, such as during a humanitarian assistance and disaster relief. But we need to clarify the primary and secondary roles of the military and at what stage they need to be involved. We need to realise that the military is the last resort, not the first responders
Excellent point, that is again lost on some who should know better.

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Deploying the military has a cost usually unseen by the public or even government leaders. When on operations, military personnel do not really have time to dedicate to training. Being constantly in ops and not having time to train means that they won’t have the readiness needed in the event a military operation is called for.
A VERY excellent point which few civilians understand. You often see misguided complaints revolving around this issue even in the US, UK, etc.

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without taking into consideration that military personnel are not trained as professional prison managers like the prison officers. The other “Blue Ocean” folly was to get the paratroopers — one of the most extensively trained elite groups — to guard airports as a “show of presence” effort.
Totally agreed.

"Blue Ocean"... what a stupidly misused buzzword doh.gif

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Unfortunately, the Defence Ministry in the past had been a quiet market place for past ministers to broker multibillion ringgit arms deals, buying big toys that the soldiers themselves did not actually want. The more secretive this was, the better it was for past governments.

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Absolutely one of the biggest points, of course. We all know this.

Great article, clearly shows someone has been doing his homework.

This post has been edited by KLthinker91: Jul 8 2019, 07:39 PM
MilitaryMadness
post Jul 9 2019, 09:58 AM

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Many of the 'show of presence' types of patrols in civilian areas could and should be assigned to police paramilitary units like the PGA instead of the military itself. Something like the Gendarme units are doing in other countries.

They are much more familiar with policing procedures and part of their duties also involve policing & internal security.


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post Jul 9 2019, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 9 2019, 09:58 AM)
Many of the 'show of presence' types of patrols in civilian areas could and should be assigned to police paramilitary units like the PGA instead of the military itself. Something like the Gendarme units are doing in other countries.

They are much more familiar with policing procedures and part of their duties also involve policing & internal security.
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PGA work load dah full..that's why pakai tentera..dengan back up balai, rondaan, jaga sempadan la.. ada tu traffic pun ada..
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QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 9 2019, 09:58 AM)
Many of the 'show of presence' types of patrols in civilian areas could and should be assigned to police paramilitary units like the PGA instead of the military itself. Something like the Gendarme units are doing in other countries.

They are much more familiar with policing procedures and part of their duties also involve policing & internal security.
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For airports it is good to have PARA

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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jul 7 2019, 04:05 PM)
a bit of BS, but a good read non the less... should have 3 subs instead... too bad lots of songlapz involved...

QUOTE(kerolzarmyfanboy @ Jul 8 2019, 03:41 AM)
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hmm... the armed forces is the iron fist of the state, it does not have to only focus on war.. its role depends on how parliament via cabinet decides it to be..

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 8 2019, 04:44 PM)
Sorry lah, article panjang2 tapi isi takda pastu selit masuk politik

KLIA Para formula was inducted in NBOS not as just show off force but as a consideration after a high profile heist in KLIA not too long before it was introduce. Plus this show off force is actually done by many country after 11 september.

Hais ingatkan ok dia sbg DMOD, rupanya kulit aja isi tarak, kosong, yilek
but still better then the MOD.. haha
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he's a politician after all

if the paras have allocated the resources for that matter, it shouldnt be a prob.... unless of course it was an adhoc

QUOTE(MilitaryMadness @ Jul 9 2019, 11:58 AM)
Many of the 'show of presence' types of patrols in civilian areas could and should be assigned to police paramilitary units like the PGA instead of the military itself. Something like the Gendarme units are doing in other countries.

They are much more familiar with policing procedures and part of their duties also involve policing & internal security.
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does msia have regulations/law for military personal to operate at civi areas? or resources allocated for such operations? or just follow instructions just because from minister?

QUOTE(periuk_api1209 @ Jul 9 2019, 04:55 PM)
PGA work load dah full..that's why pakai tentera..dengan back up balai, rondaan, jaga sempadan la.. ada tu traffic pun ada..
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no harm, as long properly planned and executed... but usually that's not the case with msia... LD incident didnt help either

QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 9 2019, 05:23 PM)
For airports it is good to have PARA
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para or other unit doesnt matter... as long as their objective are met....
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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jul 9 2019, 04:20 PM)
he's a politician after all

if the paras have allocated the resources for that matter, it shouldnt be a prob.... unless of course it was an adhoc
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It's allocated for the joint patrol
the personnel involved are not from the active standby list
they even allocated special pay for the task

plus why only para+police was mentioned here

there is also MP/Provos + police + JPAM + RELA patrol
especially in high crime area

and even MP/Provos aide some police and PBT operation in some point
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QUOTE(atreyuangel @ Jul 9 2019, 09:03 PM)
It's allocated for the joint patrol
the personnel involved are not from the active standby list
they even allocated special pay for the task

plus why only para+police was mentioned here

there is also MP/Provos + police + JPAM + RELA patrol
especially in high crime area

and even MP/Provos aide some police and PBT operation in some point
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what's jpam n pbt?
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post Jul 9 2019, 07:11 PM

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guys, wats our ROE for Vietkong fishergays encroaching Msian waters....?
boleh fire-on-sight x,legally?
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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jul 9 2019, 07:06 PM)
what's jpam n pbt?
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Civil defense (jabatan pertahanan awam) & local govt enforcers (pihak berkuasa tempatan)
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QUOTE(lucifer_666 @ Jul 9 2019, 09:21 PM)
Civil defense (jabatan pertahanan awam) & local govt enforcers (pihak berkuasa tempatan)
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tq tq

actually i hv not encounter civil defence in msia b4...
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QUOTE(uncle tut @ Jul 9 2019, 07:11 PM)
guys, wats our ROE for Vietkong fishergays encroaching Msian waters....?
boleh fire-on-sight x,legally?
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only arrest
then the court decide

QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jul 9 2019, 07:24 PM)
tq tq

actually i hv not encounter civil defence in msia b4...
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JPAM or now APM is the one with the bright blue uniform
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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jul 9 2019, 07:06 PM)
what's jpam n pbt?
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This demonstrates LCT's point about properly delineating agency responsibilities

And recognising additional costs of special deployments

His article is very relevant actually, more strategic and high level which is exactly Mindef's primary responsibility
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First Steel Cutting Ceremony of Indonesian Navy new Hospital Ship based from the Makassar LPD at PT PAL Shipyard. Credit to Antara News & ARCINC.

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https://m.antaranews.com/berita/948041/pal-...it-oktober-2021
http://arcinc.id/2019/07/09/tni-al-pesan-l...al-rumah-sakit/

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Singapore and US armies hold annual joint exercise

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An annual joint military exercise between the Singapore Army and the United States Army was launched yesterday afternoon at Mandai Hill Camp.

Exercise Tiger Balm was launched by Commander 6th Singapore Division, Brigadier-General Lee Yi-Jin, and the Adjutant General Hawaii National Guard, Brigadier-General Arthur J. Logan.

The annual exercise, which will end on July 19, was first conducted in 1981 and is the longest-running bilateral exercise between the two armies.

It involves approximately 766 personnel from the 76th Singapore Infantry Brigade and 5th Battalion Singapore Infantry Regiment (5 SIR), and the US Army's 33rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 2-130th Infantry Battalion (2-130 IN), and 1-23 Stryker Platoon.

Both armies will plan and execute conventional operations under the ambit of a Combined Task Force, where exercise participants undergo urban operations scenarios and deal with improvised explosive device threats. As part of the exercise, 1-23 Stryker Platoon will be operating with the US' Stryker Combat Vehicles while 5 SIR and 2-130 IN will be operating with the Singapore Armed Forces (SAF)'s Terrex Infantry Carrier Vehicles. These interactions allow both sides to build military-to-military interoperability and people-to-people ties.

At a speech during the opening ceremony, BG Lee said that Exercise Tiger Balm 2019 will provide an excellent opportunity to strengthen strategic partnership between both armies and continue the spirit of learning and professional sharing. He said, "I am excited about the opportunities that Exercise Tiger Balm 2019 will provide to deepen our strategic relationship in the spirit of mutual learning and professional sharing. In particular, the exercise will allow both Armies to operate together at the Combined Task Force and Brigade levels. This exchange of knowledge and shared collective experience will be invaluable should we be called upon to operate alongside each other."

Exercise Tiger Balm was first conducted in 1981 and is the longest-running bilateral exercise between the Singapore Army and the US Army. This annual exercise allows both armies to collaborate and share tactics, techniques and procedures, and is the hallmark of excellent and long-standing ties between both armed forces.

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msia to buy 2nd hand?

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Australia Issues RFI for Tiger Helicopter Replacement

The Australian government has begun its search for a new armed attack helicopter to replace the ARH Tiger fleet. The planned procurement will require capabilities in manned-unmanned teaming and amphibious operations (photo : Aus DoD)

The Australian government has issued a request for information (RfI) for a replacement of the Australian Army’s fleet of Airbus Helicopters ARH Tiger armed reconnaissance helicopters.

Under the Land 4503 programme, the Australian Department of Defence’s Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group (CASG) is seeking information to acquire a total of 29 airframes. Of these 29, 24 are to be based at a single location, with a further five to be used for training operations.

The timelines for the programme anticipate an initial operating capability (IOC) of a squadron of 12 aircraft by 2026, with full operational capability (FOC) from 2028.

The concept of operations outlined in the RfI documentation include the ability to deploy a troop of four aircraft at the point of IOC, with the other eight aircraft split between continued force generation and build-up training. Once FOC is achieved, the Australian Army would be capable of “generating multiple concurrent deployed forces of up to Squadron [12 aircraft] size,” supported by a training system of up to five aircraft.

The procurement programme is targeting a reduced risk approach, with the cover letter for the RfI noting that the acquisition is aimed at a “proven and mature, off-the-shelf” system to “deliver armed reconnaissance efforts in close and deep contested battlespace”.

The RfI is also seeking information on a platform’s interoperability with unmanned systems, particularly as the country is replacing its fleet of Textron RQ-7 Shadow 200 under the Land 129 Phase 3 programme, and is acquiring the General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc’s (GA-ASI’s) MQ-9 Reaper under Air 7003 programme.


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QUOTE(Fat & Fluffy @ Jul 10 2019, 11:48 AM)
msia to buy 2nd hand?

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Australia Issues RFI for Tiger Helicopter Replacement

The Australian government has begun its search for a new armed attack helicopter to replace the ARH Tiger fleet. The planned procurement will require capabilities in manned-unmanned teaming and amphibious operations (photo : Aus DoD)

The Australian government has issued a request for information (RfI) for a replacement of the Australian Army’s fleet of Airbus Helicopters ARH Tiger armed reconnaissance helicopters.

Under the Land 4503 programme, the Australian Department of Defence’s Capability Acquisition and Sustainment Group (CASG) is seeking information to acquire a total of 29 airframes. Of these 29, 24 are to be based at a single location, with a further five to be used for training operations.

The timelines for the programme anticipate an initial operating capability (IOC) of a squadron of 12 aircraft by 2026, with full operational capability (FOC) from 2028.

The concept of operations outlined in the RfI documentation include the ability to deploy a troop of four aircraft at the point of IOC, with the other eight aircraft split between continued force generation and build-up training. Once FOC is achieved, the Australian Army would be capable of “generating multiple concurrent deployed forces of up to Squadron [12 aircraft] size,” supported by a training system of up to five aircraft.

The procurement programme is targeting a reduced risk approach, with the cover letter for the RfI noting that the acquisition is aimed at a “proven and mature, off-the-shelf” system to “deliver armed reconnaissance efforts in close and deep contested battlespace”.

The RfI is also seeking information on a platform’s interoperability with unmanned systems, particularly as the country is replacing its fleet of Textron RQ-7 Shadow 200 under the Land 129 Phase 3 programme, and is acquiring the General Atomics Aeronautical Systems Inc’s (GA-ASI’s) MQ-9 Reaper under Air 7003 programme.
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trouble since it's early procurement phase
but some of the heli is not even 10 years old
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HMS Queen Elizabeth: Leak forces aircraft carrier to abandon sea trials


The UK's new aircraft carrier, HMS Queen Elizabeth, has returned from sea trials early after a leak was found.

The Royal Navy's future flagship left Portsmouth Naval Base last month for five weeks of sea trials and training.

A Ministry of Defence (MoD) spokeswoman described the leak as "a minor issue with an internal system" on Britain's biggest warship.

The £3.1bn ship returned to Portsmouth as a precautionary measure after the leak was found on Tuesday.

The warship is expected to be the Navy's flagship for at least 50 years.

Water leaked into an internal compartment, where it was contained.

It was pumped out and the 900ft (280m) long warship returned to port.

The MoD said: "An investigation into the cause is under way."

This latest problem follows a number of other issues including a shaft seal leak, which caused the ship to take on 200 litres of water every hour, and the accidental triggering of the sprinklers in the hangar.

In May the captain of the aircraft carrier was removed from the ship amid claims he misused an MoD car.


HMS Queen Elizabeth aircraft carrier facts

The Queen commissioned the warship into the Royal Navy fleet in December 2017
As part of the ceremony, an 8ft-long (2.44m) cake replica of the ship which required 7kg of flour and 160 eggs was cut
The £3.1bn carrier is capable of carrying up to 40 aircraft
The flight deck spans four acres and will be used to launch the F35 stealth fighter
When the warship becomes operational in 2020 it will carry about 1,600 crew

HMS Queen Elizabeth - The Royal Navy's largest ever surface warship

Tonnes 65,000
Cost £3.1bn
280m Flight deck length
700 Crew currently on board
155,000 miles Length of electrical cable inside the ship
162db Volume of foghorn
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