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yawhong
post Jul 6 2007, 04:18 PM

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how about panasonic newly release fx100? it got IS and high ISO up to 6400. beside it had 12.2 mega pixels. Is this camera good ?
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post Jul 7 2007, 03:06 AM

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QUOTE(yawhong @ Jul 6 2007, 04:18 PM)
how about panasonic newly release fx100? it got IS and high ISO up to 6400. beside it had 12.2 mega pixels. Is this camera good ?
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Don't be too easily fooled by the specs. IS is good to have but ISO all the way up to 6400 ohmy.gif ? Thats like what the EOS1D MK III can do but I can only imagine the noise levels for this Pana shakehead.gif . And 12.2 MP pix don't matter if the sensor is still a puny 1/2.5 whistling.gif .

Are the reviews out yet? Maybe there are some test shots floating around the reviews. Can check them out and see...... icon_idea.gif
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post Jul 7 2007, 11:24 AM

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QUOTE(yawhong @ Jul 6 2007, 04:18 PM)
how about panasonic newly release fx100? it got IS and high ISO up to 6400. beside it had 12.2 mega pixels. Is this camera good ?
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Since the sensor size is almost same as fuji's, I would expect it to be usable until ISO800 (edited) (with acceptable noise level). Above that no way. Btw, you may not see noise in panasonic cam, but u gonna see watercolour painting.

Anyway... this is an ideal consumer cam available right now.

This post has been edited by mars2005: Jul 7 2007, 11:32 AM
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post Jul 7 2007, 11:57 AM

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QUOTE(mars2005 @ Jul 7 2007, 11:24 AM)
Since the sensor size is almost same as fuji's, I would expect it to be usable until ISO800 (edited) (with acceptable noise level). Above that no way. Btw, you may not see noise in panasonic cam, but u gonna see watercolour painting.

Anyway... this is an ideal consumer cam available right now.
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I think if the sensor size is the same, but if there are more photosites/pixels, then you should be worried.
The more pixel/photosite density per area of sensor, the more noisy the sensor is, generally, and either they will let it show or they will implement an even more aggresive anti-noise algorithm which gives rise to the 'watercolour painting' effect.

I don't think there is any P&S that gives good high ISO performance above ISO400 other than the Fuji F30, F31 but that's only up till ISO800. Of course, the definition of 'acceptable' may vary -but check out the many thorough reviews of cameras and their high ISO performance at DPReview.

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post Jul 8 2007, 12:26 PM

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Actually, having high ISO is sometimes good if u want creativity, for example, using high ISO so u have noises, then converted to sephia to give an Old picture effect..
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post Jul 8 2007, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(sinister @ Jul 8 2007, 12:26 PM)
Actually, having high ISO is sometimes good if u want creativity, for example, using high ISO so u have noises, then converted to sephia to give an Old picture effect..
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I prefer to keep my options open by being able to capture as much detail as possible, and then only add noise, desaturation, colourisation effects via a photo editor. With some modern digital cams having some other high-ISO side-effects like banding, this is not really a preferred option to get that gritty or old-style look...



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post Jul 9 2007, 08:53 AM

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beside fx100, panasonic do come out compact + semi pro camera such as lumix lx2. this camera have bigger lense compare to fuji and there ISO can reach till 3200. So is it mean their picture is good in high ISO? but reading so many reviews regard this camera their noise management is not the good even at ISO 200.
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post Jul 9 2007, 10:23 AM

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QUOTE(yawhong @ Jul 9 2007, 08:53 AM)
beside fx100, panasonic do come out compact + semi pro camera such as lumix lx2. this camera have bigger lense compare to fuji and there ISO can reach till 3200. So is it mean their picture is good in high ISO? but reading so many reviews regard this camera their noise management is not the good even at ISO 200.
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support high ISO doesn't mean its good. must check out review first smile.gif so far, a lot of camera wanna beat Fuji. But unfortunately, all failed. I'm not Fuji fanboy. I really want to see good camera with low noise like Fuji and good IS/lens like Panasonic or Canon.
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post Jul 9 2007, 01:33 PM

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Title edited. I feel like saying sensor size is better then ISO number as most manufacturer (in fact all inclucing fuji) out there misleading consumer by putting high number. The fact is, bigger sensor is better.
Bigger sensor means higher ISO that a camera can achieve without adding noise into the image.


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