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TSmars2005
post Jun 29 2007, 12:00 AM, updated 19y ago

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I was the fan of canon all this while, until recently, i came across with fujifilm, and my target switch to the latter brand. However, fujifilm does not offer DC with image stabilizer. So my question is, is it really needed? Especially for those prosumer cam. please advice notworthy.gif.
Some say that IS can't do much especially when taking telephoto. True?

Found this source and think it's pretty informative describing the pros and cons of IS and High ISO.

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This post has been edited by mars2005: Jul 9 2007, 01:26 PM
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post Jun 29 2007, 12:03 AM

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QUOTE(mars2005 @ Jun 29 2007, 12:00 AM)
I was the fan of canon all this while, until recently, i came across with fujifilm, and my target switch to the latter brand. However, fujifilm does not offer DC with image stabilizer. So my question is, is it really needed? Especially for those prosumer cam. please advice  notworthy.gif.
Some say that IS can't do much especially when taking telephoto. True?
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I personally think it's very useful.

Some people say to get clear pictures must have skill and all.

But those lenses with VR, IS actually helps a lot in taking photos.

Sony Alpha users benefit from the builtin image stabilizer in the body.
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post Jun 29 2007, 12:32 AM

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When the sun starts setting, I am one of the few fellas that can still shoot HANDHELD. I don't really bother to carry a tripod anymore, and my focus is on street photography.

When was the last time you did a handheld shot at 1/5 sec and still got something usable like this picture below?

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Full-resolution image available at: http://www.box.net/shared/34r9hu3yd2

You can still read the 'Caution' sign that's on the fence. But you can see that there is a bit of blur. For my E-510, the IS starts failing below 1/8 sec for my regular zoom range of 28-100 mm. The above image shows the IS at its limits. Most pictures faster than 1/8 sec, and below that of the typical 1/30 sec that I can handle steadily without IS for my standard zoom lens, is as sharp as if you used the correct shutter speed as per the 1/f rule.


Added on June 29, 2007, 12:36 am
QUOTE(calvin_gsc @ Jun 29 2007, 12:03 AM)
Some people say to get clear pictures must have skill and all.
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Yes, but they also fail to mention that a significant contributor is better equipment.
Maybe they're too shy to admit that.

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post Jun 29 2007, 02:03 AM

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Have some read here http://www.canon.com/bctv/faq/optis.html
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post Jun 29 2007, 07:15 AM

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really depends on what u're shooting but in general, it does help smile.gif
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post Jun 29 2007, 07:52 AM

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I took these just now at full wide angle, then crop out the tape for easy reference.
taken in 3 modes of IS; namely OFF doh.gif , mode 1 , mode 2

1. IS OFF
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2. IS mode 1
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3. IS mode 2
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post Jun 29 2007, 08:03 AM

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now took at 2x zoom, then crop out the tape for easy reference.
taken in 3 modes of IS; namely OFF , mode 1 , mode 2

here, you can see some differences

1. IS OFF
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2. IS mode 1
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3. IS mode 2
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This post has been edited by xxx2299: Jun 29 2007, 08:13 AM
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post Jun 29 2007, 09:19 AM

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r u moving to fuji s5?
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post Jun 29 2007, 11:01 AM

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I think it is important loe.. Using my Panasonic Lumix series... i do feel the different... u will get less blur image....
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post Jun 29 2007, 11:24 AM

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sorry... side topic a bit...


FX-30 Lumix, 850 IS Ixus, F31fd,
which shall i pick?
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post Jun 29 2007, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(cyanide @ Jun 29 2007, 11:24 AM)
sorry... side topic a bit...
FX-30 Lumix, 850 IS Ixus, F31fd,
which shall i pick?
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panasonic dude, no doubt
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post Jun 29 2007, 02:12 PM

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i heard taht panasonic cameras emits lots of noise when used over a certain period. Anyone care to confirm?
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post Jun 29 2007, 02:13 PM

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QUOTE(xxx2299 @ Jun 29 2007, 07:52 AM)
I took these just now at full wide angle, then crop out the tape for easy reference.
taken in 3 modes of IS; namely OFF  doh.gif  , mode 1 , mode 2

1. IS OFF
user posted image

2. IS mode 1
user posted image

3. IS mode 2
user posted image
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wow rclxms.gif thanks for the samples. Are you using prosumer cam? If yes mind to take share sample with 10X?
Actually, i got the idea on how to compensate IS function, which is increase the ISO and reduce the shutter speed. Since Fujifilm do so well at high ISO, will that do as good as IS if not better?
Really hope i have both cam to do my won comparision. blush.gif


Added on June 29, 2007, 2:16 pm
QUOTE(clemong_888 @ Jun 29 2007, 07:15 AM)
really depends on what u're shooting but in general, it does help smile.gif
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i like to take scenery pics. Ofcos, portrait with the depth effect, whihc required high zoom (correct if im wrong). Therefore, i afraid i chose the wrong camera.


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QUOTE(sinister @ Jun 29 2007, 09:19 AM)
r u moving to fuji s5?
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Previously aim for Canon S3, now targeting Fuji S6500 smile.gif


Added on June 29, 2007, 2:18 pm
QUOTE(cyanide @ Jun 29 2007, 11:24 AM)
sorry... side topic a bit...
FX-30 Lumix, 850 IS Ixus, F31fd,
which shall i pick?
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If i were to buy compact one, i'll go for fuji smile.gif

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post Jun 29 2007, 02:18 PM

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post Jun 29 2007, 02:21 PM

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QUOTE(any1else87 @ Jun 29 2007, 02:12 PM)
i heard taht panasonic cameras emits lots of noise when used over a certain period. Anyone care to confirm?
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As i know, panasonic do a lot of noise reduction, so the pics usually will be softer especially at high ISO.
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post Jun 29 2007, 03:38 PM

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is really helps....especialy mode 1
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post Jun 29 2007, 03:45 PM

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QUOTE(cyanide @ Jun 29 2007, 11:24 AM)
sorry... side topic a bit...
FX-30 Lumix, 850 IS Ixus, F31fd,
which shall i pick?
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Go for canon Ixus 850IS.... rclxms.gif
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post Jun 29 2007, 10:56 PM

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I'm not so sure about prosumer cam, but for DLSR, any telephoto range (100mm and above) is advisible to have IS (if not, just use tripod lor)... the difference is quite obvious, the pic that I got with my 300mm (Sony Alpha) and my colleagues' 300mm (400D using sigma lens [70-300mm] without IS = GG)... And with enough lighting is also another factor...
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post Jun 29 2007, 11:00 PM

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without image stabilizer, pictures that i took using 15x zoom will be all unusable......
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post Jun 30 2007, 09:57 AM

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