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 Ubb CASH TRUST 3 years nett 6-8% pa anyone?, UBB Amanah Bhd

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post Aug 27 2021, 03:46 PM

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QUOTE(negayem @ Aug 27 2021, 02:03 PM)
Very recent. It was Opportunity Trust at 7.5% for first 2 years and 8% for third year.

This is a new experience for me, first time.
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thumbsup.gif thanks for telling...

thumbup.gif thumbup.gif 7.5% for first 2 years and 8% for third year. (projected or confirmed?)

any mention of annual fees charges amount in the contract?


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post Sep 1 2021, 03:14 PM

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QUOTE(negayem @ Sep 1 2021, 03:00 PM)
Projected only not written as guaranteed.
No fees too.
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No fees,... That is good.
For for their other thrust, it did mentioned
"Will there be any service fee involved?
The full tenure is of 3-years. A 4.5% as a service fee will be charged per annum"
http://www.ubbtagency.com/cash-trust-.html
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post Sep 2 2021, 12:10 PM

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QUOTE(ZZMsia @ Sep 1 2021, 11:18 PM)
Nett of fees.
Seen the deed myself.
Shows something like 7-9 percent per annum over three years.

Nett of fees.
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in the deed, it is written that the 7-9% pa is NETT of fees?

btw, which trust are you refering to?
any idea if nett of fees are also applicable to all of these trust too? (cash trust, crisis trust, opportunity trust and insurance trust),

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post Oct 6 2021, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(Wheat_Grass @ Oct 6 2021, 01:39 AM)
Just curious, are these trusts among the way people dodge their income from LHDN?

Nowadays seeing rich people have a lot of hidden trusts here and there but on paper record they are broke.
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probably not so easy ...
https://mfpc.org.my/wp-content/uploads/Even...ssion3Trust.pdf



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post Dec 30 2021, 09:44 AM

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QUOTE(makubex718 @ Dec 30 2021, 08:40 AM)
https://mpvworldeng.blogspot.com/2020/01/th...eal-estate.html

https://www.labuanibfc.com/areas-of-busines...-token-business

https://instagram.com/mpv.world?utm_medium=copy_link

Able to find some information online, this seems how they generate the interest money. Any master can help to analyst or comment? tks
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those links that you posted is refering to the products & services of MPV and its related entities......not UBB ??
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post Dec 30 2021, 03:02 PM

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QUOTE(makubex718 @ Dec 30 2021, 02:57 PM)
If my understanding not wrong, you can see the attachment the declaration of trust. The trust is holding MPV right? That's y asking for master view, I cant be sure is that how they work...
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Looks to me like,... Mpv asked UBB to provide the trustee service for them...
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post May 20 2022, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(engyr @ May 20 2022, 09:52 PM)
Anyone get back their capital +8% p.a after complete 2 or 3 years contract?
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They mentioned they got back their money n the promised rate... (but not that high 8% but I think alot better than FD).
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post May 24 2022, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(Tcy3180 @ May 24 2022, 10:26 AM)
Hi guy3288.
As a new lowyat user I can't post the link here but you can try Google a latest writeup by The Edge on dubious cash trust scheme. You can search under title: SEVERAL CASH TRUSTS SAID TO BE PONZI SCHEMES.

Hope it helps.
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Is this that article that you are referring to?

Several cash trusts said to be Ponzi schemes
theedgemarkets.com
May 24, 2022
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/seve...e-ponzi-schemes

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post May 25 2022, 07:05 AM

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From the article from that above link,....

"....... there is no proper regulation by Bank Negara Malaysia or the Securities Commission Malaysia (SC) about these trusts, suggesting there may be a loophole in the law and the governance of these trusts.

The Edge understands that the relevant regulatory body may be the Companies Commission of Malaysia, or Suruhanjaya Syarikat Malaysia (SSM)."

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post May 25 2022, 07:19 AM

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QUOTE(teslaman @ May 25 2022, 07:10 AM)
even regulated bursa you can profit -50% at zero risk lol
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Bursa is equities investment. There are already mentions of "risks associated to equities investing".
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post May 25 2022, 07:40 AM

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Open Letter To TheEdge
May 24, 2022

The article in TheEdge entitled “Several cash trusts said to be Ponzi schemes” dated
24/05/2022 is an article based purely on suspicion and wholly unsubstantiated. There is
no basis whatsoever to conclude that some Cash Trusts are in fact Ponzi schemes.

More.....
https://www.ubbamanah.com/open-letter-to-theedge/

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post May 25 2022, 08:01 AM

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QUOTE(jayb2 @ May 25 2022, 07:51 AM)
their open letter is so /k style of reply does not even sounds professional, just mere attacking the journalist.

"without having given the companies that are offering Cash Trust an opportunity to explain" if that is so,  then in your open letter just layout how in your audited financial abilities to generate such return.
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my guess is they won't want to expose their 'secret" of how they do it.
as there is no legal obligation for them to do it.

i am sure they definitely won't tell it openly even when requested to
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post May 25 2022, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 25 2022, 07:53 AM)
That is a "UBB's client" response, not an official company response. Using you client (or client's identity) to stand in front of you is not really a professional response.

You would not expect (for example) Maybank or Affin Hwang (or any other financial institutions) to respond to a "crisis" in this manner.
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my guess is because, the article did not spell out or direct point it to UBB...

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post May 25 2022, 08:08 AM

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QUOTE(jayb2 @ May 25 2022, 08:06 AM)
find it very weird even money games such as Forex and Crypto did explain to investor where their money is "invested".
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maybe those are not regulated in Malaysia.
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post May 25 2022, 08:12 AM

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QUOTE(jayb2 @ May 25 2022, 08:10 AM)
regulated means no need explanation, good job Malaysia.
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if there is regulation required them to tell,...then they have to tell.
just like UT,...they have to tell..
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post May 25 2022, 08:17 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 25 2022, 08:11 AM)
Even in this case, UBB should not drag its clients down to defend itself. They should issue their own statement.

A professional statement would have mentioned they are "cooperating with the relevant authorities", "safeguard client's interests" etc. None of these appear.

Funny still, the letter appears under "Our Insights" section in the UBB Amanah official page: https://www.ubbamanah.com/

The company can quote the client's open letter in its own response, but should not just put it bluntly there.

Better still, answer the doubts raised in TheEdge, point by point, clearing the air. I guess mentioning the regulator would not be an issue, if accounts are to be kept secret.
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the edge just tell in general basis....
it did not tell it is from UBB.

it tells there are Trust offering "possible scams" product.
it did not tell specifically or name any products...
there are many other trust products offered by many others.
This UBB Amanah is not the only one in Malaysia

Edge just tell like what some are doing in the forums too...speculates, highlights and trolls

thus, i guess UBB also doing the same....

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post May 25 2022, 08:33 AM

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QUOTE(TOS @ May 25 2022, 08:20 AM)
Better hope this is the case. Their method of responding is already raising eyebrows.
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luckily, their products offered just just 6~7% returns (not sure if that is nett of all fees)
the edge article mentioned products that offered way higher than that....
(too good to be true)

maybe UBB should get a better PR agency/person to draft that response
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post May 25 2022, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(contestchris @ May 25 2022, 09:22 AM)
Even 6-7% guaranteed returns in the current low yield environment (before the recent Fed rate hikes) is just impossible. I work with insurance company, heck they're scared to even guarantee anything significantly more than 3% for their guaranteed products in Malaysia.

The thing about UBB Cash Trust is, I've seen their ads in KL on billboards (I think Federal Hwy has one). Also, if I'm not mistaken, they claim to have some kind of a relationship with one of the local banks.
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Previously, one of the forummers mentioned that they use the money for "commercial factoring".
(page 5, post 92 & 95)
Btw, I think they did not put it as "guaranteed" but it did states "projected returns" in their brochures.
Even if when some products did states guaranteed the returns, but in the fine prints may hv mentioned need to minus fees from that numbers too. 😳

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post May 26 2022, 12:37 PM

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QUOTE(cloudy_eye @ May 26 2022, 12:29 PM)
i saw the post on the edge about cash trust.

but as a client for 6 years now. which i have renew my trust deed for another term, i can gladly say im happy with ubb. during the expiry of my contract, i have requested my capital and they just transfer to me without any issues.

i remember my payout was 7% for the first term, but the second term (expiring on 2023) about 6%. never was up to 36% p.a

if they theEdge claimed to be ponzi, how come all my friends that place with ubb all have good experience w them? i believe, authority will only take action if a group of ubb client go to complaint about the company, so far since that article come out, i dont see any client lodge a complaint.

so now my question is, how to know if they are ponzi or not if there is no official statement from the authority.

if really ponzi im gonna hantam my agent. 

i am slightly worried if the rumors turn out to be true, but speaking from experience, i had a good one and im not sure about others.

beside ubb and amanah raya which other trust company provide cash trust service?
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Did that article named UBB trust fund as a possible ponzi?

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post May 26 2022, 08:04 PM

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sweat.gif sweat.gif seems like the plots deepens, ......

Industry groups say cash trust issue made known to regulators
Izzul Ikram / theedgemarkets.com
May 24, 2022

The MFPC noted that it has raised the cash trust issue with both the SC and BNM, and has been in active communications with the regulator and the central bank through the IPG.

Likewise, the Financial Planning Association of Malaysia (FPAM) told The Edge that it would not be participating in the meeting with Lim, as it has already brought the cash trust issue to the attention of the regulators concerned.

The Association of Financial Advisers (AFA), MFPC, Malaysian Financial Planning and Advisors Association (MFPAA) and the FPAM, through the SC, jointly formed the IPG.

read more
https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/indu...nown-regulators

innocent.gif MFPC, Financial Planning Association of Malaysia (FPAM) and others in the IPG ....had known about it and informed SC and BNM



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