QUOTE(Snoy @ Feb 4 2020, 09:08 PM)
That was crossing 5 new years.
Long enough for vendors to increase price... let's say 10% per year...
Hello ... Jan 16 THIS YEARLong enough for vendors to increase price... let's say 10% per year...
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Feb 4 2020, 09:39 PM
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Feb 5 2020, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(ianlti @ Feb 5 2020, 02:51 PM) it depends on the workmanship and size of your sink too, how thick is your material, how hard to work with, what is the risk of damaging the piece who will be responsible for it if damaged. For most sinks it doesn't matter what is the make or size, a hole is a hole. I have never heard of charging extra based on the type of sink unless your sinks cost 20k or above. polishing also costs a lot depends on requirement too, fine finished surface. if you don't define what kind of quality of the finishing they will work until their standard. if you don't want them to polish try get an angle grinder/orbital sander buy proper sanding pad and hire some Bangala rm60 daily/ indo skill rm120 daily to work for you. You will be taking the risk damaging the surface. I saw the guys cutting the holes for top mount and hob right at my house during renovation. It's not rocket science. Trust me there is not much polishing needed. Undermount is slightly trickier. Usually done in the factory with exact measurement of your sink. |
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Feb 5 2020, 06:11 PM
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QUOTE(Snoy @ Feb 5 2020, 04:45 PM) As a normal consumer, we won't know the industry quality standard, no way to define the quality standard. This is more reasonable. Edge polishing shouldn't cost much and it shouldn't be much work if they are good at cutting the hole. Your first quote on edge polishing is bsBut we do know the perceived output of the polished edge. Charging high doesn't guarantee good quality too. Today, I got another quote from another kitchen cabinet vendor (premium brand). Cutting hole + edge polishing costs RM350 comparing to first quotation of RM850. How does it sound? Both company do not care hole size but quotation is based on number of holes and do not care materials, quartz (any brands) / granite. This post has been edited by blancpain4470: Feb 5 2020, 06:11 PM |
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Feb 6 2020, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(Liamness @ Feb 6 2020, 10:46 AM) ![]() http://geoluxe.com I've been looking at high-end stone counter-tops & came across this product from Thailand at one of their show-rooms.. it's pretty amazing. IMO.. kitchen carpentry can be basic, however, the finishing and counter-top is what makes or breaks how a kitchen feel. benefit of this stone is it is high-end like marble, but without the hassle of maintenance & fragility of marble tops. I have a quote locally for about RM400 per sqft.. including cutting and fitting on site. |
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Feb 29 2020, 12:54 PM
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QUOTE(Mixgal @ Feb 29 2020, 12:31 PM) Guys, what are your thoughts on using High Density Fibreboard (HDF) for wardrobe and cabinets ? Inputs please It all depends on you. I thought you were considering solid wood?? I would say in terms of resistance to moisture it would be solid wood, plywood, HDF, MDF and melamine in decreasing order. Price wise is obviously the other way. Not many people go for solid wood because of price and harder to to make. Also it may crack as it is natural wood. Man made materials are far more consistent and even and easier to paint. If u can afford get the solid wood or ply wood. Although most people make do with melamine |
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Mar 1 2020, 04:50 AM
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QUOTE(Mixgal @ Feb 29 2020, 11:07 PM) I was thinking of solid wood for my dry kitchen Personally If I were you I would go solid wood for wet kitchen and HDF or plywood for dry. Wardrobes can be anything as long as good design because they are not close to water or moisture. But that's me. I think I’ll go with solid wood for my dry kitchen, then HDF for wet kitchen and wardrobes. Was quoted 200+k for the whole house 😣 In reality, HDF or plywood is probably good enough. You can save the money and spend on others. People that usually spend on solid wood are those that have huge budget where they don’t have to worry about trade off. If u can afford solid wood is the best. Most of us mortals have to decide if the money should go to solid wood or better sinks, taps, lights, appliances etc. I was in that situation to decide if I want to demolish an entirely new melamine kitchen cabinet and build new ones. I decided to use it but changes most things (including to Silestone) except the carcass. I use the savings for others. Renovation is expensive. If u were quoted 200k+ be prepared to spend 260k+ Bijisss liked this post
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Mar 1 2020, 11:25 AM
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QUOTE(Mixgal @ Mar 1 2020, 11:11 AM) Thank you for your input. Yes, renovation is indeed expensive! 200k for cabinetry alone and this is not inclusive of the Blums 😏 I was looking for a good carpenter to do my library, study and staircase shelves. Solid wood carpenters are a dying breed. The materials are expensive. One mistake the margin is gone. The smart ones open Signature Kitchen or Unity or independent plywood/melamine carpenters. This is where the money is. Initially I was thinking of going for solid wood for dry kitchen, master wardrobe, and bathroom cabinets and HDF for wet kitchen and the rest of house. Now I may need to rethink it. Let me know if you know of any solid wood carpenter. I’ve seen quite a few but I’m not convinced with neither. Thanks again for your input I really appreciate it. The ones I dealt with are small carpenters. The price was reasonable but I really can't stand their poor response, "tidak apa" attitude. Delivery is always questionable. There is one where I went to his shop far from my house. Agreed on the work. Wanted to bank in half as deposit. Asking for design and start work. Called and WhatsApp and never responded. These are the people you usually deal with. May be with your 200k budget u can get better attention as money talks. To be honest 200k for cabinetry is very high-end. I spent 200k to fix my entire new house! But then I sourced everything myself and contractors do the work |
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Mar 1 2020, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE(Mixgal @ Mar 1 2020, 12:01 PM) You are spot on when it comes small time solid wood carpenters ! Their service is despicable to say the least. Even with 200k budget (and they know it!). Good luck and let me know if you find a good one. I am still looking but now considering plywood. I’ve travelled far to visit their “showroom” as most of them are in Semenyih, Kajang area. Slow to no response, zero interest in assisting and answering my queries and the list goes on. I just don’t understand. So frustrating 😡 My house is currently under renovation now and it’s quite a major one (600k for renovation). I’ve so far purchased sanitary (Kohler WC & sink, Hansgrohe shower system and faucets) and tiles (Feruni). There will be a lot more expenses moving forward 😒 I hope I’ll be able to find a decent carpenter.. You are playing in a different league. Only thing I can say is Feruni is only ok. I prefer MML or Niro. Should go with marble 800x800mm for living |
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May 10 2020, 04:19 AM
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QUOTE(hahakat88 @ May 10 2020, 01:29 AM) Hi guys.. My sink, cooking hob (use gas, plan to put on top) and dry kitchen cabinets are all separated from each other. Initially, I planned to install quartz top. was quoted 6.6K total for both. (without the dry ktichen cabinet) How big is your sink that warrant such concern? My granite sink was more than 800mm long and I still pay for that "gap" or hole. I am sure you can ask that piece of quartz back if you want but nobody does that. When I look into the plan, I realized the contractor will cut a big hole on my quartz for my sink, I think it's not worth to pay for that, I will lose a big piece of quartz! Planning to switch to concrete + tiles instead for both sink section and cooking hob section. Can I know both of your opinion? Will it save more? Of course concrete plus tiles will be cheaper. You save on cabinet cost and tiles are definitely cheaper than quartz top. However, while tiles are tough quartz are tougher. In addition tiles now may come 2x2 and 4x2 so u will likely see grout lines. Some people may not like it. Concrete will last forever but workmanship is important. CC Sky liked this post
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May 10 2020, 08:55 AM
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QUOTE(hahakat88 @ May 10 2020, 04:53 AM) Looking at the same Blanco as yours, should be 860x500 or cheaper Teka 890x500 600x600 are decent priced now. If you want there are 4'x2' but those are more expensive. There are some really nice designs now including white with patterns. Pure white is classic nice but may be a bit boring? This is very individual though. My counter for sink is 1625 x 600mm, if I can save about RM1.5K, I can upgrade my sink. grout lines are the sacrifices, have to find big tiles like 600 x 600mm to cover, pure white, hopefully the lines are less obvious. feasible choice? Get a good technical porcelain tiles. Best grade as they are more uniform and consistent. Otherwise your tiler kung Fu has to be good. |
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Jan 6 2021, 09:08 AM
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QUOTE(senscents @ Jan 6 2021, 12:38 AM) Need to renovate the old kitchen. Require plywood carcass with quartz counter top. I think you need to have wider gap between your sink area and hob area to facilitate the movement to the door. From the diagram it looks small. Do not max counter space and sacrifice movement (or risk injury knocking against the counter). How can we differenciate solid surface, quarts top and different % of quartz? Will need to redo all flooring tiles and some part or the wall tiles. What would be suitable ceramic or porcelain tiles? Attach drawing plan as I deem Ok. Sifu, What else do I need to describe to get as close as what I require? Thanks As far as counter surfaces people nowadays don’t usually go for solid surfaces unless you want cheap. Solid surface is not as “hard” and it will sustain scratches. When you are talking about quartz, you are talking about quartz composite? Quartz composite can have quartz content from 65% to 95% (or higher). Lower quality cheap China imports may have lower quartz content and hence less durable. But quartz content is one factor, the other factors are the bonding resin and if anti bacterial materials is incorporated. You are not going to get much info on how good the bonding resin other than it is reflected in the price. Products such as Silestone or Caesarstone are two examples of high quality brands with published specs. Not many people use natural stones such as marbles, quartz, etc. as counter surface. They are natural stones and hence more beautiful but maintenance is a bitch. But that’s an option. As far as floor tiles are concerned, technical porcelain is the type you should use for kitchen floor. Ceramic tiles are just not good enough for high traffic/high use area such as kitchen. Wall tiles you can choose any type or design that you like but not floor tiles. |
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Jan 6 2021, 03:53 PM
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QUOTE(senscents @ Jan 6 2021, 03:06 PM) Thanks for your input. For the gap between two countertops, it will be slightly smaller, maybe like ~18". Anyway will not be accessing much, so don't mind to sacrifice a little. Lol. I can be the spokesperson for Silestone. Both my houses are using Silestone for wet and dry kitchen and laundry area. 😁The problem with china quartz (cheap), better quartz (moderate) and high end quartz (expensive) what will the problem(s) in the next 10 years? Miss out on the promo of Silestone. Are you using it? What is "technical" porcelain? Noob Cheap China quartz will have lower quartz content and thus will likely more susceptible to stains and scratches. I have not seen any scratch on my Silestone despite years of usage. High quality countertop you can prepare food directly on the surface (if you desire) due to well sealed surface and anti bacterial properties. Another option is 2x2 or 2x4 porcelain tiles as counter materials. They are much cheaper if you don’t mind grout lines between tiles. Porcelain tiles are super tough too. As per technical porcelain tiles. These are the “best” porcelain tiles in terms of temperature, moisture, stain, chemical resistance, impact tolerance. They are more dense and thus are very tough. You should use them in high traffic and or high moisture areas. Of course they are more expensive too! |
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Jan 6 2021, 06:09 PM
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QUOTE(blanket84 @ Jan 6 2021, 04:40 PM) Not advisable especially if you are using wood or melamine carcass. Ripping another quartz surface off the counter will likely damage the carcass. One option is to go with any wood or melamine surface and replace it later with Silestone or similar when you have the budget. But normally people will just decide to go with cheaper China quartz and live with that. You just have to be more careful to prevent mild acid or super hot pots directly on the surface. |
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Jan 6 2021, 06:19 PM
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QUOTE(senscents @ Jan 6 2021, 05:34 PM) Ohhh. Silestone user. Definitely good but pricing 😅. Go and look at some new porcelain tile designs. Some look like marble with beautiful grains! That’s for countertop. If u need only 48”. They have now 2x4 size which is perfect for you. Learn new things everyday on this technical porcelain tiles You are using it I presumed. Good idea you have there on the usage of technical porcelain tiles on countertops. Have thought of using tiles but afraid of not as lasting on the everyday usage like chemical and stain, but with this better technical porcelain tiles it will definitely more durable. If I may ask on the indicative price of technical porcelain tiles as I might use it on the flooring and possibly the countertops (see if the sizes suitable,may need 48"L) For kitchen floors, try to go for easy maintenance gray or dark gray colors. A Niro 2x2 when I bought it last year was about RM21.5 per piece for my backyard of 300 plus sqft. Niro technical porcelain is one of the best. MML is good too but expensive. Guocera, White Horse others depending on the product ranges. This post has been edited by blancpain4470: Jan 6 2021, 06:19 PM ceo684 liked this post
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