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darkknight81
post Nov 10 2008, 08:35 PM

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QUOTE(ante5k @ Nov 10 2008, 09:04 PM)
i have to wait, salary day at 15th.
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How many lots you buy at one time? Now i am running short of bullets biggrin.gif accumulating now too...Probably next year baru can buy after my bonus time.
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post Nov 11 2008, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Nov 11 2008, 12:46 PM)
Cherroy,

I got money la.. what to buy now arr? I was thinking either

AXREIT @ 1.3
AMFIRST @ 0.82
ATRIUM @ 0.605

which one better arr?
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You got to see their dividend yield of each one and compare the type of properties they are holding.
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post Nov 11 2008, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 11 2008, 03:09 PM)
I also don't know because I got three of them biggrin.gif, joking only.
I am constantly buying from time to time when it drops, no drop, just let it be and hold. 

Seriously,
Amfirst - a bit too late as DPU announcement has made it gone up from 0.73 to current price and upside room is limited. But yield is quite attractive, instantly can get 4.2 cents, which mean one is actually buying at 0.82-0.042 = 0.78
It depends heavily on its major shareholder ie. Ambank for the rental or its tenants which has pros and cons factor.

Axis reit - Seem cheap, with net yield more than 10%, which is quite attractive for some assets that are well diversified across. Major concern is about the 120 millions unit whether it is successully being placed out or not and at good price or not. Althouhg it might have some dilution effect but with newer money raise and reduction in borrowing, it could save a lot of interest expenses as well. So those private placement might not having too much negative effect. In fact, if successful place out with ease and at good price, it is view as positive factor.

Atrium - highest yield around with net 12%, so around 7-8 years recoup back all the initial capital. So if yield can hold on current level around 8 cents for 5 years and above, it is actually attractive choice.
Downside - too small and highly depended on logistics businesses (which might be affected singificantly in global recession).
Also it is not recommended to buy too large quantity and liquidity and popularity of this stock is low. Too many unit like 500 - 1000 lots are not easily sold without depressing the market price as happening at current stock condition.

Among the three, Axis reit is covered more by most research house and more fund managers are interested due to diversification and with more liquidity on its stock.

Bare in mind, reit will be under some pressure for sometimes, because global economy recession will put pressure on rental income and ability to renew lease as well as properties price. So, don't need to rush all into it at a lump sum even one is interested and positive about this sector. It won't shoot up overnight.
Also there are singificant supply of office space coming out in this 1 or 2 years due to completion of some building, so don't expect office rental can go up in near term.
Buying piece by piece is a better option and advisable over a period of duration, like several months up to year. Can split it to several purchase at different price target so that still can grab if drop further.

Do remember, if one doesn't expect to hold long term like 3-5 years and above, reit might not a good place to be.
It is a boring investment that hope for the yield only. Don't expect any dramatic increase in the stock price, any price appreciation in stock should be treated as bonus.

Just my opinion.
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Welly said thumbup.gif ...Thats y i haven't bougth any Axreit yet even though it is in my top list now...

My strategy of buying is once it drops to RM 1.10 or below i will buy up at one time. Right now better accumulating my bullets.... laugh.gif
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post Nov 11 2008, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 11 2008, 03:41 PM)
You are doing a carry trade!

If everything works well and according to the expectation, it is indeed a clever way to make money ie. using other money to make money for you.

But do remember the risk involved, as those DPU has chance to go down as well in the future if economy situaiton deteoriates.

You need some cover from spare money to finance it as well as if the price of collateral goes down, you might need to top up the margin otherwise might facing force sell pressure when market goes down. This issue particularly has to be looked at especially those not familiar with margin trade, so that people realise the risk involved.
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Thats one of the root cause y a lot of youngsters got bankrupt nowadays.... nod.gif
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post Nov 12 2008, 12:09 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Nov 12 2008, 11:37 AM)
Not really not interested, already got as well. Just not talking on it only because price doesn't slide as much as others, so yield is lower than others.

Liquidity is the strong point of Stareit. So if wish to buy singificant sum like 500 lots one, then Stareit is always the easier choice.
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Main reason for me not to touch this counter is:

1. Low dividend yield at current price

2. Not aggressive ENOUGH on their properties acquisition. Basically is extremely boring type of REIT

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post Nov 12 2008, 03:17 PM

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Axis-reit 2008 3rd quarter reports

http://www.axis-reit.com.my/images/axisrei...32008%20(2).pdf
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post Nov 17 2008, 09:31 PM

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Got one question here again biggrin.gif

For those reits holding shopping complexs especially, the maintenance cost will be quite a lot i beliv in order to stay competitive with other shopping complex building. If you shopping complex surrounding /design is old fashion and look old and dirty especially you definitly got to refurbish it. If not = no shoppers = no business = your property cannot rent out ....This is one of the factor i am considering as well...How do the reits management get those fees for maintenance as almost 90% of the rental are being distribute back to the reits holder....IS it from the 10% management fee? Pls advice notworthy.gif
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post Nov 17 2008, 09:52 PM

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QUOTE(ante5k @ Nov 17 2008, 10:49 PM)
the cost of maintaining those building are deducted off as expenses. so
rental - expenses = profit = distribution.
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For most reits it is a newly launch investment trust just few years back...We can consider that most of their properties are still new and less maintenance...Few more years down the road are we expecting the expenses for refurbishment will go up then? Will it affect the earnings as i know refurbishment for a buildig are costly
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post Nov 18 2008, 07:52 PM

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Axreit today close at RM 1.24 rclxms.gif More and more tempting.... drool.gif

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post Nov 19 2008, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Nov 19 2008, 03:01 PM)
hmm looks like the vol is very low
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Most of the dividend counter have low trading volume. As ppl buy for the dividend
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post Nov 20 2008, 04:53 PM

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Shit am i dreaming?? Axreit at RM 1.19 drool.gif
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post Nov 20 2008, 08:28 PM

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QUOTE(constant @ Nov 20 2008, 07:29 PM)
Hi cherroy,

How do you derive 12.5% gross yield? klsetracker showing only about 10+%?
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At what market price they derived the yield? RM 1.50 MARKET PRICE certainly you will derived to a lower yield...

Stick to my target price of RM 1.00 - 1.10 ...Might go even lower if we can wait until next year. biggrin.gif

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post Nov 21 2008, 03:57 PM

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Queueing Axis for RM 1.10 biggrin.gif
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post Nov 27 2008, 11:46 AM

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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Nov 27 2008, 09:40 AM)
i think all the REIT need to give out 90% profit to their shareholders....
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Yup. it is stated in REITS regulations.
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post Dec 3 2008, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(bogey031 @ Dec 3 2008, 01:50 PM)
anyone watching Stariet??
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Reits is very boring type of investment..Stariet is one of the most boring reits.... biggrin.gif

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post Dec 3 2008, 06:52 PM

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QUOTE(fergie1100 @ Dec 3 2008, 06:16 PM)
AXREIT closed @ 1.15 today..... close to ur target darkknight? tongue.gif
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Yup close to my target
My second target after ytl power thumbup.gif

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post Dec 4 2008, 09:31 PM

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QUOTE(ante5k @ Dec 4 2008, 02:53 PM)
yesterday got 20+ lots at 1.15.... actually the money was suppose to go the ytlpower, but ytlpower went up just as i want to buy.

*my 700th post smile.gif 5 stars.
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SEEMS like we both are targeting at the same counters . axreit and ytl power laugh.gif

Right now you are waiting for ytl power to slide whereas i am waiting for axreit to slide some more tongue.gif


Added on December 4, 2008, 9:32 pm
QUOTE(asambuffett @ Dec 4 2008, 10:21 PM)
looks like ... its coming down sloooow and steady..  rclxms.gif
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Yup nod.gif . 5 more sen to reach my target price icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Dec 8 2008, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(momocha123 @ Dec 8 2008, 03:30 AM)
first of all, i'm new to all this..
looking at the newspaper..what is the reasons why price will drop down even there are a big volume in deal ..??
and where can i know the dividend rate paid by the reits??
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http://mreit.blogspot.com/

Big volume does not determine up....For example if large number of seller is queueing sure the price will go down even though a lot of deals is done (large volume)

You got to see the supply and demand. Number of buyers and seller which will determine the up or down of the price movement. But the numbers of buyers and sellers will keep on changing every seconds.

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QUOTE(Neo18 @ Dec 10 2008, 07:14 PM)
AXIS now 1.12!!!

wow, time to shoot!!!
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If you notice this counter has been keep on dropping one sen each and everyday. My target price revise from RM 1.10 to RM 1.00. Planning to buy 100 lots at RM 1.10 in the first place. Buying at RM 1.00 I can get 110 lots biggrin.gif

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post Dec 11 2008, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Dec 10 2008, 11:08 PM)
I Q'ing everyday now. 7 cents DPU willl come out in late Feb, by that time, if nothing wrong, it will draw some buying becuase of DPU.
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So if i got 100 lots i will be entitled for RM 700 cash RIGHT? but after deducting the witholding tax of 10% again that means i will be entitled for 630 total nett dividend

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