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darkknight81
post Feb 3 2010, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(smartly @ Feb 3 2010, 06:10 PM)
To me, buy either small or big volume should not matter much, if one is aiming for DY.
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What i mean is if you want to cash out for reits is quite hard if you want to sell in big volume. You might have to sell at low price. That is the issue you need to take note when buying low liquidity stocks.
You have to consider if you want to sell at big lots in case of any bad news than you may have to suffer bigger lose.

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post Feb 27 2010, 12:05 PM

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QUOTE(loongloong @ Feb 27 2010, 01:02 PM)
Sry just a question... Does the move to single tier dividend as proposed hinder you all to buy REIT shares? If not mistaken i think there are also withholding taxes involved in REIT. I'm just concerned with the tax issues if I get REIT shares.

FYI, my tax bracket is lower that of company tax rate...
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REITS WITHHOLDING TAX is only 10% and it is not claimable
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post Mar 9 2010, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(okyjace @ Mar 9 2010, 01:38 AM)
Imteresting deal. Pretty much doubles its size. As a unitholder, I'm pretty keen to see the valuations and yields for these properties. Another 200m+ loans is a little worrying, but I hope they know what they're doing.
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Should be a good news rclxms.gif
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post Mar 9 2010, 01:51 PM

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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Mar 9 2010, 10:28 AM)
how it is going to finance the purchase? right issue?
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UOA Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) (5110) is considering buying two office blocks in Kuala Lumpur for RM500 million.  It received an offer from UOA Holdings, a substantial unitholder in UOA REIT, for the sale of Parcel B Menara UOA Bangsar and Wisma UOA Damansara II, priced at RM289 million and RM211 million respectively.  "The board of directors of the manager (UOA Asset Management Sdn Bhd) and OSK Trustees Bhd (trustee) will deliberate on the terms and conditions contained in the offer letters and a further announcement will be made upon completion of the deliberation," UOA REIT said in a statement to Bursa Malaysia Bhd.  Parcel B Menara UOA Bangsar, located in Jalan Bangsar Utama 1, comprises a tower block with 15 levels of office space, three levels of retail podium, six levels of elevated car park and four levels of basement parking. The newly completed commercial and retail property, which has a 99-year leasehold tenure, is 88.5 per cent occupied.  Wisma UOA Damansara II, located at Changkat Semantan, comprises a 16-storey office building and five levels of basement parking.  The two-year-old freehold property, used for commercial and retail purposes, is 87 per cent occupied.  The purchase of Parcel B, Menara UOA Bangsar, will involve a refundable deposit of 0.01 per cent, or RM28,900; a cash payment of RM156.03 million; and the issuance of 102.26 million new REIT units.  The purchase of Wisma UOA Damansara II will also involve a refundable deposit of 0.01 per cent, or RM21,100; a cash payment of RM113.92 million; and the issuance of 74.66 million new REIT units


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post Mar 10 2010, 08:04 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Mar 9 2010, 07:43 PM)
I do not think Cash Payments referred to the cash kept in their banks. Most likely it is in the form of borrowing.

Remember they pay out 90% or more of the realised profits ( DPU )  to you,  in order to be tax exempted

Where  is the MAGIC cash to come from , in large amount ?

These press statements fool a lot of investors , esp those are new and eager to  just jump on board.

Too high a gearing ( borrowing )  caused many Singapore REITS in financial problems.

If one does not have the transparency to disclose their  gearing but saying it is using CASH to pay. I would think twice before investing. There is a purpose behind a purpose.

We reserve the right  to be  the doubtful, simply because our hard earned money is involved.
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Yup thats y i neither top up or sell off my UOA yet as i am still not clear what they are going to do and haven't got time to check how much cash reserve they have but i believe not much as like what you have said 90% of the profit will be paid as dividend. I think they will definitely raise up their gearing for sure as UOA gearing is lower compare with HEKTAR, AXREIT but higher than atrium of course or maybe issue some rights.

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post Mar 10 2010, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Mar 10 2010, 09:32 AM)
Many REITS are expansion paths.

So Gearing is one to be  monitored closely, bcos it tends to boost up or preserving earnings or DPU .

More right issues tend to dilute earnings per unit.
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I don like right issue as it will dilute DPU.

i PREFER them the raise their gearing and service the loan instead.
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post Mar 10 2010, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(jasonkwk @ Mar 10 2010, 10:38 AM)
You remind me of the Singapore REIT- Saizen REIT,which default 7.3 billion yen.Interest rate is going up gradually,so the gearing ratio is getting more important in evaluating your choice of REIT, yield and DPU have to take a back seat.
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Of course gearing is important so we have to see the ability to service the loan of that particular reits. Thats y have to see their latest debts to equity ratio for UOA . i don dare to comment much as i don have the figure at the moment. DPU and yield take back seat? Ppl buy reits for their yield lol wink.gif

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 10 2010, 12:45 PM)
As long as the right issue or private placement money is used to acquire properties that deliver at least as same as current yield, it won't dilute the DPU.

Actually I prefer them to raise money through private placement instead of gearing as long as those money being used to acquire properties that higher than current yield (or at least at par),
mainly because interest rate only has one way to go i.e. up only, while with low gearing, it poses lesser risk on the reit itself in term of defaulting or difficulty in refinancing the loan itself, as reit won't repaying the loan, but servicing the loan only, while most loan/borrowing are quite in short to midterm only, which several years down the road, refinancing always needed.
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For private placement, what if the issue price per unit was far below market price? E.g. RM 1.00?
That is my concern on private placement as small investors like us will be on the losing end.


Added on March 10, 2010, 12:08 pm
QUOTE(SKY 1809 @ Mar 10 2010, 12:49 PM)
REITS in Malaysia cannot  run away from the problems faced by REITS internationally.

Of course, We are on better footing, but cannot just ignore the problems happened  elsewhere totally.
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You are right as UOA current have 4 properties. With additional 2 properties i believe their gearing will boost up. Have to check their latest debts to equity ratio.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 10 2010, 03:20 PM)
I taught they are going to issue new shares at RM1.30, or no?

As far, from several private placement had been issued, like Axreit, the private placement is based on market price average price at time being.
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I am worry just in case biggrin.gif If 1.30 should be fine thumbup.gif
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post Mar 14 2010, 09:31 AM

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UOA Real Estate Investment Trust (REIT) (5110) is considering buying two office blocks in Kuala Lumpur for RM500 million.

It received an offer from UOA Holdings, a substantial unitholder in UOA REIT, for the sale of Parcel B Menara UOA Bangsar and Wisma UOA Damansara II, priced at RM289 million and RM211 million respectively.

"The board of directors of the manager (UOA Asset Management Sdn Bhd) and OSK Trustees Bhd (trustee) will deliberate on the terms and conditions contained in the offer letters and a further announcement will be made upon completion of the deliberation," UOA REIT said in a statement to Bursa Malaysia Bhd.

Parcel B Menara UOA Bangsar, located in Jalan Bangsar Utama 1, comprises a tower block with 15 levels of office space, three levels of retail podium, six levels of elevated car park and four levels of basement parking.
The newly completed commercial and retail property, which has a 99-year leasehold tenure, is 88.5 per cent occupied.

Wisma UOA Damansara II, located at Changkat Semantan, comprises a 16-storey office building and five levels of basement parking.

The two-year-old freehold property, used for commercial and retail purposes, is 87 per cent occupied.

The purchase of Parcel B, Menara UOA Bangsar, will involve a refundable deposit of 0.01 per cent, or RM28,900; a cash payment of RM156.03 million; and the issuance of 102.26 million new REIT units.

The purchase of Wisma UOA Damansara II will also involve a refundable deposit of 0.01 per cent, or RM21,100; a cash payment of RM113.92 million; and the issuance of 74.66 million new REIT units.


Effective from 12-January-2010 UOA total asset value was being revalued at RM 514 Million FROM RM 486 previously which will enable them to increase their future gearings as being stated by SC 50% of their total asset value.

So i believe acquisition of this two blocks of buildings which amount RM 500 MILLION will almost doubled up their market capitalization. Total square feet of the 4 properties UOA REITS having right now = 883,004 square feet.

1. So i wonder what is the total squre feet for these 2 proposed acquired buildings? Is it overvalued?

2. So the total cash UOA REITS going to pay for these two blocks = RM 156.03 MILLION + 28900 (Refundable deposit) + RM 113.92 MILLION + RM 21,100 (Refundable deposit) = RM 270 MILLION + RM 50,000 = RM 270,050,000.00.

From where do they get this RM 270 Million? Bank borrowings?

Becos they can actually borrow RM 250 million already out from the RM 500 million new buildings they are going to acquired and the other 20 million will be raised from the the revaluation of their current buildings as their current gearing to total asset value was only 20 % which is till far from the 50% stated by SC.

The rest will be paid in private placement i believe from the raising of 102.26 million +74.66 million new units = 176.92 million new units for RM 229,950,000
= RM 1.30 per unit.

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post Mar 15 2010, 11:23 AM

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http://www.propwall.my/bangsar/menara_uoa_...CFYIwpAodTULiSw

The parcel B are selling at RM 289 MILLION ? Is this the building?
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post Mar 17 2010, 08:12 AM

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Information i have for UOA REITS.


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Attached File  UOA.pdf ( 38.26k ) Number of downloads: 62
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post Mar 17 2010, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 17 2010, 03:20 PM)
I may buy Stareit, I just hope the new injection of properties will enhance its yield.
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Cherroy what is your view on UOA newly proposed acquisition?
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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 17 2010, 05:24 PM)
If fund through the RM1.30 private placement and with better yield ahead, then seem ok for me. As there is little details, how new rental income from the new building.

As in current situation, I wish to see any new acquistion is fund through private placement, as borrowing cost will become higher only in near future, while as reported office space supply will be more due to completion of several new building which could depress the rental.
At the moment, I wish to see on reit is they secure borrowing on long term basic, which lock down the interest rate. So don't need refinance too often.
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Becos base on my calculation current acquisition price per squre feet is 40% higher compare with current holding properties. Of course we can assume that bangsar locality is better therefore the price is higher. But 40% will it be too expensive or not? File attached for your reference.

Current 4 properties i average out the price per square feet was only RM 583.5 WHERE as the new properties price per square feet is RM 820.8. Which is 40% higher.

I am from Sarawak not sure about the properties price for these area. But i am sure that Bangsar locality is good. Need advice. notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 17 2010, 05:48 PM)
Location wise is a very important factor on the valuation, so cannot compared directly one.

As different location fetch different rate of rental. Just like KLCC can fetch >Rm10 per sq feet rental, while those outskirt KL may be around RM5 only.
Bangsar is around midvalley. KL properties price is quite high throughout. 

The important factor to judge the valuation is the ability to fetch the rental. If the particular area and properties can fetch good rental, then 40% higher than others properties won't be a big issue at all.

I came across an article that stated midvalley mall, can fetch as high as Rm50 per sqft rental for ground floor, it just show how the properties situation around KL.
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Thanks Cherroy. Besides that occupancy rates play an important role too. If you check on their current 4 properties, those with higher occupancy rates give better yields. The two proposed acquired properties occupancy rates is around 88% which is quite good. These are all the strong point for these two pcs of buildings.

RM 1.30 should be quite a good price to enter now i believe. But one thing we need to take note is i believe the gearing ratio will increase to around 40 over %.

Sifu please advice notworthy.gif i believe you also entered quite a number of UOA REITS RIGHT wink.gif
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Mar 17 2010, 10:25 PM)
darkknight81,

Allow me to comment a bit. The information you posted is really insufficient. A good analysis would have taken into account the current rental yield of the buildings, comparisons with surrounding buildings and average rental tenure of the tenants, and not the number of parking bays.

You mentioned that the gearing ratio for UOAREIT would rise to around 40%, which is alarming. I will be wary of companies with gearing of over 30%. A higher gearing rate would reduce our dividends, which is a negative issue for REIT investors.
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Yup i did mentioned the rental yield on page 2 on my attachment for current properties. Whereas for the 2 proposed acquire properties i don have the rental income info . Yup of course parking bays is just for reference only not really important . the most important part is still the yield and total net lettable area is also for reference only. In the end we still concern on the yield. From my attachment you can see that the rental yield is directly proportionate with occupancy rate of the buildings.

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Yup the gearing is quite high especially after the new acquisition as their current properties amounted 514 million already . The newly proposed acquire building cost another 500 million. This is something that we really need to take into consideration.
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Thanks again Jordy notworthy.gif

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QUOTE(cherroy @ Mar 18 2010, 03:06 PM)
UOAreit is one of the lowest holding among my reit portfolio.

Me more prefer Axreit, Qcap, Stareit.  icon_rolleyes.gif

The primary concern should be put on the successful of private placement and good yield aka can fetch high rental and high occupancy.

If there is high rental and occupancy rate with steady outlook on it, higher gearing will be so much concern. While if the properties cannot fetch good rental and occupancy, then even no borrowing also looks no good.

The concern priority, (my view)
1) Rental yield
2) Occupancy
3) Lease quality, tenure and prompt payment.
4) Properties appreciation prospect
5) Properties expenses
6) Borrowing situation, gearing, tenure, borrowing rate.
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No seller for UOA at the moment but quite a number of buyers. biggrin.gif

Opps sellers start to pop up liaw doh.gif

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http://www.bursamalaysia.com/website/bm/li...ments/index.jsp
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post Mar 20 2010, 07:19 AM

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Opsss sorry wrong link. notworthy.gif

http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...%2008032010.pdf

I think thats the reason why UOAREITS PRICE has been hammered down due to this deal.

As you all know UOA REITS NET ASSET PER SHARE IS RM 1.48. So it is 13 % discount against the NAPS at RM 1.33 previously.

So i believe with the new acquisition two blocks at RM 1.30 per share... The price for UOA should BE ADJUSTED down further to at least RM 1.24 per share. This is base on the valuation side.

Gearing to total asset value previously is 33% with RM 514 MILLION OF TOTAL ASSET.

which is equal to 170 Million. New acquisition borrowings = RM 270 MILLION. So the total borrowings ballooned to RM 440 MILLION. With total asset value of RM 1.014 BILLION.

The gearing ratio now should be around 43%!!!

I am still looking for the AVERAGE RENTAL PER SQUARE FEET for these two new buildings.

With the figure of AVERAGE RENTAL PER SQUARE FEET we can roughly estimate the Adjusted EPS in future.

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