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post Oct 24 2009, 12:53 AM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Oct 24 2009, 12:46 AM)
For a moment, I thought I could celebrate with AXREIT when I checked it at 1.93 tongue.gif Well, too bad that we could see some pressure on REITs come next week due to the unwelcomed return of RPGT.
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Yes, it could hampen the properties sector across, but think longer term, RPGT is not a totally bad thing (after all 5% is not too bad either), it can prevent over-speculation in the properties market and potential creating bubble on properties, or people abuse the non-RPGT environment to do some 'creating' accounting side.
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post Oct 24 2009, 10:58 AM

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QUOTE(claricecmw @ Oct 24 2009, 01:00 AM)
How will re-introduction of RPGT prevent such over-speculation?
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A lot of people (especially on medium to high end properties) bought properties for the sake making money.

I personally encounter (not me buying, I rather buy reit instead of personal own tongue.gif ) a high sort properties that launching time was 395K (or 400K), now transaction is going on around 600-650K+ just after 2-3 years time period (properties completed).

So with RPGT introduced back, it makes people think twice about speculation on it although RPGT is never a hinder point for people to buy properties.

Over-speculation is never good for properties market on long term basic, although short term wise properties price can shoot up and people can make a lot of money, over-speculation can lead to crisis and properties slump for long period of time, US real estate bubble is the best example.

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post Oct 28 2009, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(ante5k @ Oct 28 2009, 11:13 PM)
i just realised axreit recent annoucement stated that its paying more dividend than it earns .....
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I don't see where is the annoucement?

Atrium at least back to its normal old day, glad to see 2.2 cents coming again.
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post Oct 28 2009, 11:50 PM

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QUOTE(ante5k @ Oct 28 2009, 11:42 PM)
earning per unit is 3.83
distribution per unit is 4.06

its in the 3rd quarter report.
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3.83 is the new EPU after the new private placement, ie. the profit is divided by the new total number of share

4.06 is the 2.x cents previous interim DPU + existing Q earning.

So there is some distortion due to private placement new share and previous interim DPU which given prior before the private placement.


Added on October 28, 2009, 11:54 pmI like the Axis reit financial report presentation, which stated every details about its every properties which is difficult to find on other reits.

There is more transparency. thumbup.gif

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post Oct 29 2009, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Oct 29 2009, 01:27 PM)
Insider trading is technically illegal in Malaysia, right? Which means that publicly admitting it on the Internet would be extremely dumb even with a pseudonym.
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Insider trading is illegal throughout the world.

For normal ordinary company information revealing, it is not considered insider trading.

Insider trading occur when somebody inside the company know the news (good or bad) (before being revealed) and use the news to take advantage and move ahead in the stock market trading, which yield the person advantage on others.
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post Oct 29 2009, 03:22 PM

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QUOTE(claricecmw @ Oct 29 2009, 03:12 PM)
hmm interesting, isn't it that most Directors of Companies are doing? Will that constitute to insiders' trading as well? hmm.gif
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In ordinary sense, director acquire or dispose shares are not classified of insider trading, although they knew about the company situation.

For example of insider trading.
The directors has known the company will be acquired by somebody else at 1.00 and negotiation hasn't been completed, but news has been announced, while share price is 0.70 in the market, the directors go to market to 'sapu' stock just 1-2 days before the news being announced.

In theory sound simple, in actual situation, it is not easy to prove insider trading, as intended person doing won't be so dumb to buy the share on their own and let authority caught them.

Also if you are directors of the company, it is not wise to do something illegal although it could make some money for you, but trustfulness as well as company job position might be in jeopardy afterwards. After all if the directors own part of the company, you already own millions, still want to do illegal stuff to make some little money? (Still people doing it, due to greed)

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 11 2009, 02:54 PM)
UOA REITS 0 ppl queue for sellling  doh.gif

Plan to buy UOA reits at RM 1.2+ But my concern is :

1. Very low liquidity
2. This reit is very quite and so far no news on any acquisition.

So SIFUS here pls give your advice on this counter.  notworthy.gif
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They are in process/consideration phase for acquisition of one offerr being made, as far as I updated recently.

This counter very easy to sell but very difficult to buy, brcause buyer is always there but seller onlu occassionally pop up only.
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post Nov 11 2009, 03:47 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 11 2009, 03:25 PM)
Did you buy any unit for this counter? Last time i did try to pikat UOA but failed  laugh.gif as no one want to sell ... but really like this counter lar

i am serious this time to go into reits  wink.gif

So cherroy sifu any tips to buy this counter? what acquisition is that?
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i just got couples of lots.

Office building.
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post Nov 12 2009, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Nov 12 2009, 09:36 AM)
My personal opinion to UOA, it is a good reits, nice properties and promising yield. But the price is now standing at very high or at least close to its NAV. I believe our entry price decides our profit, hence the risk may be little higher to enter now.

No doubt UOA still good for holding long term, but why not consider others where you still can get similar yield but more discounted price ? Like Tower Reits now priced at RM1.13 while the NAV is RM1.59.

Just my 2 cents... biggrin.gif
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The most important is yield, next woud be its properties location/attractiveness.

Yes, buying discount on nav is a plus point, but I would rather have a property that locate at strategic location, no problem finding tenant, good rental instead of have a property difficult to rent out but at discount price.
Properties that cannot rented out is a liability.
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post Nov 13 2009, 10:06 AM

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QUOTE(rayloo @ Nov 13 2009, 09:53 AM)
I have made enough studies before I put my bloody money into it. Tower Reits mainly in office buildings which are grade A office lot within The Golden Triangle. Yes, inevitably the occupancy rate is highly vulnerable to economy performace especially current situation. Heck, are we not buying at the bottom price ? Further more, during current economy crisis it still managed to secure more than 80% with more than 8% return. Just one thing I don't like, it has no dedicated website providing sufficient information about their development. I have to dig it elsewhere.

Comparing to others, I think risk is even more higher. Like Atrium the revenue is highly depend on 2 or 3 tenants only. Starreits I think most tenant are their sisters company, which I think is not healthy. Also some in retail sector owning few shopping malls but which I think it is more profitable if a shopping mall can attract foreign consumer or high end market like Gurney Plaza, so I am waitng for CapitaLand to list. I have to admit there are other good counters, but the price is a bit high at the moment.

Tower Reits is not the perfect one, if I really want to go in Reits, Tower Reits is my starting point.  biggrin.gif
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Actually we need reit themselves to provide more tansparency especially on tenants lease issue so that we as investors can prepare for the risk. I like what axreit had done fully stated when which year their contract with tenants will expire.

Atrium is leasy diversify, at least we are clear what its situation.

Sadly to say, if not mistaken, capital land IPO has been postponed.
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post Nov 13 2009, 11:29 AM

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One thing good about Mreit is low gearing as compared to overseas reit and debt is more manageable throughout aka mreit is more conservative but at the expense on growth.
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post Nov 17 2009, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Nov 17 2009, 02:28 PM)
One question here. RPGT WILL affect reits ? What if the reits dispose their properties will be taxed also right?
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Yes, but generally reit take in more properties instead disposing it.

5% on gain is not a big deal to affect reit. The 5% affecting more in sentiment on properties trade & price appreciation instead a real hinder or significant negative effect on its own.

Real impact on reit is always about yield anf general properties market health.
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post Nov 21 2009, 03:36 PM

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Axreit acquired IDS warehouses
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QUOTE(Jordy @ Nov 21 2009, 04:33 PM)
I didn't even notice this news. Thank you cherroy. It is quite surprising that this news could cause its price to soar to a new high. I hope that these new acquisitions are attractive. Will be studying the announcement details now.
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It is a long term lease (15 years), 90+ million cost of acqusition with 8 million annual rental income.
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post Dec 3 2009, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(klguy80 @ Dec 3 2009, 05:40 PM)
STAREIT seems to be worse of the lot, ain't it ?
Dividends are a pittance.
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Still ok, with 7-8% yield.

6.8 cents DPU p.a. can be expected, but they are going to sell Lot10 and Starhill for the proposed regularisation plan.

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post Dec 6 2009, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(sharesa @ Dec 5 2009, 05:11 PM)
the next Reit to announce divvy should be Arreit, around mid-Jan 2010, right?
Nobody in this forum holding?
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All reit distriubtion id semi annual or quarterly, so whenever approach end of Quarter respectivr for reit, they will annoucne their distribution as reit has mandate to give 90% of their earning (if not they will be taxed)

Stareit, Arreit, UOAreit give distirubtion on semi-annual financial ended June/Dec. So announcement of distribution won't be latter than end of Jan generally.

Amfirst is on March/Sep

Atrium, Axreit every Q also has.
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post Dec 6 2009, 11:04 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Dec 6 2009, 10:34 PM)
darkknight81,

ATRIUM is indeed undervalued. The NAV is 1.04, at current price it is at 12% discount. If ATRIUM reaches its NAV, the yield will be back to around 8% (the average for REITs). I am sure the price will raise back to its NAV if given time. I am pumping another round into ATRIUM in a few more days.
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Market holds up on Atrium because risk of too little diversification, relied on 4 tenants on its 4 warehouses. (Can't blame them as well, 1 warehouse only can have 1 tenants, as compared to offices), as well as its fund size is too small by reit market standard.

It is the first reit suffer DPU severe drop due to non-renewal of tenants, so people are wary on it, market is always like that, once bad performance, take significant time for it to recover or build up the confidence.
While if not mistaken, there is another its warehouses reach the lease period in near term (can't verfiy as no update, or I have not came across on this issue, may be I missed something etc), so market wary about its DPU dropping risk, so discount on the reit price. If it turns out there is no renewal issue/problem, it is a rewarding at 10+% yield.

I would say it is about risk reward ratio that market somehow quite right at current situation, as market is always concern on yield as primary factor, NAV is secondary.
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Yup, Stareit need to quick on the regularisation plan and what properties they intended to inject into it. Otherwise, reit holders will concern, after the disposal of Starhill and Lot10, DPU will drop more than half, which defy the purpose of invest in reit to look for yield.


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post Dec 15 2009, 02:27 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Dec 15 2009, 01:54 PM)
Up again today. It will come down again in 1-2 days more, so that's the chance to accumulate. What I am worried is AXREIT now, it's been down 0.07 today.
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Someone need to 'clear stock'. Big gap between buyer and seller.
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post Dec 16 2009, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Dec 16 2009, 07:49 AM)
cherroy, you mean AXREIT?

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Yup. and due to big cap between buyer and seller, you will see seller want to clear the stock, even discount few cents also never mind.

Stareit is under some selling pressure as well, may be due to the disposal news, as until now there is no new development on the acquisition part, as selling 2 of its main properties will means Stareit will have 1 billion of cash (or + preffered as published) while they only have 180 million of borrowing only.

Without new properties being injected back, yield might be temporarily being affected. Below 80 cents could be a bargain.

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