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post May 12 2009, 09:16 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 12 2009, 05:23 PM)
cherroy, UOAREIT Q1 report is out.

are they giving 2.9 sens?
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Nope, they are semi-annual one as usual.

This counter very hard to trade one, liquidity is severe low, less than 1000 shareholders (including major shareholders), just a reminder, just in case you are interested.

QUOTE(ks3114 @ May 12 2009, 07:45 PM)
Btw Cherroy, if you look at UOA's Q1 report, their Borrowings increased by RM8mil. Why is that? They didnt mention anything about using RM8mil.  hmm.gif
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The increase of receivable is the reason company using more borrowing.
You can see from the cashflow, the borrowing is used to pay the distribution as increase in receivable means somebody didn't pay the company yet, so company needed to use borrowing to pay the DPU as distribution as it can't be delayed.


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post May 13 2009, 12:44 AM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ May 13 2009, 12:28 AM)
This is just my two cents though, but I believe different people would have different perspectives. But I think your perspective on REITs should be similar to mine, so why worry about liquidity issues here? smile.gif
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Yes, I don't care much about liquidity as long as company able to pay handsome dividend or distribution. In fact a lot of my stocks are/were low liquidity one aka seldom trade much. tongue.gif

Just as a reminder, just in case people hope for price appreciation side smile.gif
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post May 15 2009, 11:26 AM

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If PKNS goes into Axreit, I need to restructure and re-consider on my existing holding.

Never like gov involved too much in a company, as pure stake holders may be ok, but for management not so good, as history tell us, very little company of GLCs or related one got good performance over the long term.

My guess on PKNS would be Hektar.

Axreit may be also as it wants to find some investors for its 100 million private placement to reduce the borrowing and enable for future acquisition.
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post May 18 2009, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(mo_meng @ May 18 2009, 09:08 AM)
all sifu i dont understand why dont like PKNS to go in axreit ..
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Simple, since when you see gov investment arm linked or GLC company got good performance?
Surely not all GLCs are poor but high number GLC are not having good performance over the long term.
Not mean to criticise on GLCs but it is the reality which showed by history.

Whenever gov step in private company, then generally market view is not favourable. Not only here, but across the globe even US.

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post May 19 2009, 08:50 PM

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Nobody watching Qcapital lately?

Price become more interesting now.
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post May 20 2009, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 20 2009, 10:04 AM)
me. bought at 84 sens.

anticipating a 3.xx sens DPU in early June.

- distribute div based on semi-quater
- January gives 4.xx sens
- June gives 3.xx sens
- a total of 8.xx sens, which is approx 9-10% based on today's price
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Aiseh, ahead of me, today buying at 0.84 to join in. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post May 20 2009, 03:23 PM

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Added on May 20, 2009, 3:26 pm
QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 20 2009, 12:57 PM)
Reits... no rush to buy ler, slow slow accumulate. i have get ready more cash to "sin" at 80 sens. cherroy you don't "chiao" with me okay!! tongue.gif
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Buy small small nia, sellers at least having a few 10K lot of sell, everyday they sell a bit and a bit.
The trend/transaction pattern is similar to Axreit when plunged from 1.50 to 1.00.

Ok don't chiao with you, queue at 0.805. tongue.gif

QUOTE(kmarc @ May 20 2009, 01:32 PM)
Owh... like that one ka? I thought have to rush like normal shares....  laugh.gif
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Everday also same price, why rush?

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post May 20 2009, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(ks3114 @ May 20 2009, 03:50 PM)
Plenty of QCAP at 0.84, take it easy. Lately most of the REITs falling slowly. I think those with lots of REITs exposure starting to sell some and overweight on goreng stock in anticipation of a bull run. This theory boleh pakai kah?
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Tak boleh pakai, no offence.

Those play in goreng stock won't touch reit or those boring counter one, they never bother whether the Qcap is at 0.10 or 1.00. They just want some "action" stock that can shoot up tomorrow and fast within days.

Those invested in Reits won't bother how goreng stocks performance, as the intention to have reits is once invested, then waiting for distribution every Q or semi-Q, just like FD. Any price appreciation is a bonus, which you cannot hope for much.

Reits price tumbled because anticipation or poorer economy condition which tenants are hardly to get or renew which could affect its ability to pay DPU, while properties price might under some pressure.

When someone holds large amount like fund managers want to get rid of it, then you will see some selling pressure which depressing the price until they managed to clear the stock. (which you see Axreit bounced up from 1.00 to now) mainly due to liquidity is low across.

There are a lot of dividend funds, insurance funds are investing in Reits, so once they decide to sell, so market price always being depressed.


Added on May 20, 2009, 4:09 pmBasically reits is moving on its own which based on their fundamental and prospect.

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post May 20 2009, 04:48 PM

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QUOTE(ks3114 @ May 20 2009, 04:40 PM)
What about those investors who are waiting out the downturn? Since they have $$ and reits are liquid, give high yield (more than FD), does it make sense for them to overweight on reits in the short-medium term? basically they just want to park their $$ somewhere safer, with decent yield.
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Logically, if overall market goes down so does reits price.

As stock market normally plunged because of economy recession, if economy recession, reits will have problem of getting tenants as well as softer property market.
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post May 21 2009, 10:34 AM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ May 20 2009, 08:29 PM)
On QCAPITA, I think some of you might want to rethink your decisions. A rough study on the annual report tells me that they are holding to some low-yielding properties (as low as 1% pa). So, I don't really have faith in its management as their cash is not utilized efficiently. I will do a more thorough study on its property yields and post it here later.
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Please share with us the analysis later on.
Many thanks



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post May 21 2009, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ May 21 2009, 04:42 PM)
If any of you who have also conducted a study on QCAPITA and found a mistake in my analysis, please do correct me. I am just hoping everybody would be informed of the actual situation before someone really gets stuck with QCAPITA.
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I have no problem with yield around 7-8% if those tenants are going to stay long and paid up on times.

Compared to yield of 10% on Atrium warehouse, while potential lose tenants in between. I would take the 7% for long term play.

Anyway, me invested little nia.
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post May 22 2009, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ May 21 2009, 05:23 PM)
The initial investment for all 10 properties is RM 715,146,000, while after their revaluation, the assets now are worth RM 816,013,468. The only risk is on its management's inefficiency and transparency. But I do agree with your argument that at 0.84, our friends here are buying at a discount of 31%, which creates a very comfortable buffer smile.gif
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Yup, I am not interested to buy when it is at 1.00 or above.

I calculated the potential DPU of 7.x cents, then dividend by 0.84 = 8.xx % which after witholding tax translate it into around 8% net, that's why I am comfortable with the risk.

Anyway, appreciated your analysis, many thanks. notworthy.gif
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post Jun 1 2009, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(Jordy @ Jun 1 2009, 03:25 AM)
Only 1.6 cents this time around? Well this is really going to dampen investors' confidence.
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1.6 cents is without part of Ceva rental contribution, which is expected ahead in the market, that's why its price from 80+ cents to 60+ cents.

In normal day, reit shouldn't have 10+% yield.
The 10+% yield is current discounting some of difficulty that reit company might be facing like difficult to renew lease, softer properties pricing etc.

Less diversificaiton of Atrium is the major disadvantage.


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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jun 1 2009, 09:43 AM)
Does that means the 7million increase in net profit was due to the paper gain from revaluation of their properties?

As you can see the net profit does not drop and the DIVIDEND has been reduce.... i suspect they might use the cash for acquisition.... as i know they had attempt to acquire few asset before but fail
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Yup, revaluation on properties needs to be done every 3 years, as properties price are creeping since 3 years ago, so almost every reit that undergone revaluation has some paper gain across.

You have to look at the operation earning. Don't look at pre-tax or net profit figure as it has been distorted by the paper gain.

As reit as giving out at least 90% of the earning, watching the DPU won't get wrong then.
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QUOTE(simplesmile @ Jun 1 2009, 12:59 PM)
If the revaluation results in paper gain, then how do they distribute the earnings? Is the distribution by cash, or they give you additional units? How's the DPU calculated?

Operation earnings: 40
Revaluation earnings: 60
Net earnings: 100

Distribution 90%: 90

Since the 60 paper gain is non-cash gain, where is the REIT going to find the cash to distibute? (PS: I'm looking at this like I'm seeing how companies distribute dividends.)
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90% is referring to operation earning, not including the revaluation profit.

The tax law stated they must distribute 90% of the operation earning.

All distribution is cash.

If operation earning is 40 then they at least will give 36.

People look for operation earning only in reit assessment, that's why don't look at the surface pre-tax profit.
DPU is the ultimate figure. Generaly Operation EPS x (90~99%) = DPU.
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post Jun 4 2009, 11:15 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jun 4 2009, 10:16 PM)
I din queue actually... biggrin.gif i bought all the sale queue
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Aiseh, you are the one making it go higher. vmad.gif icon_rolleyes.gif

Nah, joking only. biggrin.gif
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post Jun 5 2009, 11:10 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Jun 5 2009, 08:13 AM)
Lol sometimes queue also cannot get it . if the price is alright for me i will prefer buy it straight away than let that opportunities run away  laugh.gif

Cherroy are you going into atrium?
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Don't know yet, currently priority on Tanjong, Qcapital, Axreit, Stareit first then may be can't get them or got extra fund nibbling a bit on Atrium. I am comfortable to buy more on Axreit, but Atrium is a bit cautious due to lesser diversification.
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QUOTE(Muliku @ Jun 6 2009, 06:22 PM)
thanks but i read in this blog: http://mreit.blogspot.com/
showing hektar at estimated 10.6% dividend yield, axreit at 10.4%, atrium 9.9%, uoa 9.8%
most are showing a yield drop from earlier in the year eventhough they maintain profitability, any idea/comment here?
hektar my buy-in price quite high at 0.905 before last DPU, guess should be added when she dipped
agreed these numbers are still much better than FDs
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Yield calculation is DPU/share price.

So if share price moving up (which happened lately), you see lesser yield.

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post Jun 8 2009, 10:51 AM

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QUOTE(Muliku @ Jun 8 2009, 12:13 AM)
thanks i know/understand the calculation
was wondering if there are other unforeseen factors

yup hektar is quite stable, will add on any dips and may get some atrium tomorrow. thanks
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Main risk across all the reit currently

1. Refinancing existing short term loan if any.
2. Getting tenants
3. Rental pricing power.

1 & 2 are the most important risk to be concerned with.
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post Jun 8 2009, 01:37 PM

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Axreit is reported securing some Rm170 million long term (3 years and 5 years term loan) for refinancing existing short term revolving loan. Half based on fixed rate at 4.5% and the rest at variable rate.

So Axreit doesn't need to worry about refinancing its majority of current borrowing for another 3 years or so.
So main risk is about tenant renewal.

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