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post Mar 31 2009, 09:45 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Mar 31 2009, 09:32 PM)
cherroy, any plans to buy more Atrium (besides QCapital) at 60 sen or below? rolleyes.gif
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No plan for Atrium at near term, although I have it (currently is one my smallest holding).
Poor decision from me, made 15% or more don't want to sell when it was 1.0x, keep until now. Until now, should be collecting not less then 16 cents or more since then.

Spread across is better now, for reit, my choice is 3 at the moment, Axis reit, Qcapital and Stareit. Actually prefer stock more over reit now.

Actually 20%> of Axis reit lease will expire as well on next year, and another around 30% of the following year based on the statistic they listed out.

So all eye on reit on their ability to renew the lease or getting replacement tenants for it which reit share price will react accordingly.

Qcapital being "sapu" habis at 0.81 near the end of trading, aiseh, taught potential to get it when first see lot of sellers.

Qcapital primary risk is borrowing is based on Commercial paper.

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post Apr 7 2009, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(Futura @ Apr 7 2009, 03:47 PM)
What happened to QCapital? Dropped 23%  hmm.gif
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Yesterday artificial prop up to 1.10 from 0.84 at last minute, now back to normal only.
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post Apr 13 2009, 08:17 PM

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QUOTE(mo_meng @ Apr 13 2009, 05:13 PM)
why axreit cannot be goreng wo, whenever there is a seller and buyer wat also can goreng haha
yaya 1.4 now .. earn almost 30% but too bad cannot buy more liao
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I had no problem to buy at 1.40 as well if I wish to, as previously I bought from 1.6x down to 1.00, as long as they can maintain the DPU at a decent yield.

Don't look back whether it was 1.00 or 1.20 previously, we should always look forward. History low is not good indicator or factor that dictate what price you should have or cheap.
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post Apr 13 2009, 08:46 PM

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QUOTE(kingkong81 @ Apr 13 2009, 08:26 PM)
hmm...a good point to ponder.  hmm.gif

As we may have seen AXREIT at its lowest, so we always hope to get it at lower price...

Haha...when buy, always wan to b cheap...when sell always wan to b higher

May hv cloud the long term prospect of it
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A lot of people miss the bull or upside later on because keep on thinking how low last time was, in the end, end up nothing in hand. Bottom happen only once (if not, it is not called bottom, get what I mean), you can't time it and possibly have it, it is pure luck.

No point thinking last low is how much, it is better to think of, will it better in the future or the yield can be sustain at which is main consideration whether to buy or not aka current share price yielding is attractive or not.
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post Apr 20 2009, 08:24 PM

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3.9 cents, good rclxms.gif

tomorrow going up to 1.45-1.50 level? brows.gif

Sustainable dividend through profit is the basic and powerful return. icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on April 20, 2009, 8:26 pmNext, Amfirst expected about 4 cents DPU for March Q ended. nod.gif



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post Apr 20 2009, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 20 2009, 08:42 PM)
cherroy, you have Amfirst share too? biggrin.gif
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Yup, nod.gif

I most prefer reits are Axreit and Stareit mainly due to liquidity issue easy to buy and sell even with large quantity.

Soon probably add another one, Qcapital.
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post Apr 20 2009, 09:05 PM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Apr 20 2009, 08:54 PM)
yah and you are waiting for Qc to reach 80 sens laugh.gif
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In fact, I Q at 0.82. Can't wait, may be cannot reach that level.
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post Apr 21 2009, 03:09 PM

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QUOTE(hocklai8 @ Apr 21 2009, 11:37 AM)
I realise many in here are holding alot of Axreit (e.g. Neo, Cherroy). Can practically have bonus every 3 months now.
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That's one of major reason I invested in Reit, they have to distribute at least 90% of the profit made.

Unlike ordinary stock, they have no obligation to give dividend, some company can make billion of profit, but they can give peanut to shareholders which doesn't match the profit level being made.
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post Apr 28 2009, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(hocklai8 @ Apr 28 2009, 01:51 PM)
When the proposed placement happens, does it mean that existing unit holders share value will drop? How does it affect existing holders?

For example (simple calculation), today's price is RM1.00 and the new placement will also be at RM1.00. If I own 1000 units prior to the placement, does it mean that after the placement I'll have additional 47% units (1470 units)? Or will my 1000 units be priced at a 47% discount (RM0.54?)

Thanks,
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It doesn't affect your existing holding unit. If you have 1000 shares, you will remain as 1000 shares.
(Those new shares are issued to third party aka private placement)

Just there are more shares overall, aka previous 1000 shares mean 0.1%, now it will be diluted become like 0.07%.

So it might affect/dilute the DPU, but generally private placement money is used to acquire newer property to generate more income to offset the dilution effect, which previously 50 million private placement didn't diute the DPU instead it increase the DPU due to more newer income generated from newer properties acquired.
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post Apr 28 2009, 04:46 PM

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Apr 28 2009, 04:26 PM)
Can I think of it this way ? hmm.gif

Presently I have one house and its giving me good rental income. Value of the house if RM250k and rental return is RM2500 per month. All of a sudden, my uncle calls me and says he wants to have special deal with me. He gives me another 250K to buy another house, provided that I give half share of my current house to him and half share of the new house as well.

Hence based on this scenario, if I manage to buy similar house at RM250k and rent out for similar rental return RM2500. Overall if I look at rental, no difference to me as it combine rental of both house divide by 2 still gives me the same rental yield as if I have one house.

However, if the new 250K is used to buy a house with better rental returns, then I will get more DPU. Its also possible that the new house will give lower rental whereby my DPU will drop.

In the end, its a question of how confident are we that AXREIT management will use the money to buy good properties with better yield than current house.
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Yup, exactly.


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post Apr 29 2009, 09:15 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 29 2009, 09:06 PM)
Guys, I'm fed up of waiting for the stock market to drop. Thinking of starting some accumulation of REITS soon. Which would you guys recommend first. I know the favorites are AXREIT, HEKTAR and QCAPITA.

AXREIT is a bit too high though..... right?  hmm.gif
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If you never see 1.00, I don't think you will see it is high with 15-16 cents DPU.

To buy any stock, don't look at its lowest price to determine whether it is low or cheap or not. It is irrelevant and not a good gauge for judgement. If so, one will lose a lot of opportunity in the future.

I already see it attrative back 1.6x time, and already bought and all the way until 1.00 (a lucky get at lowest)

Don't mean 1.50 is cheap or expensive though.



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post Apr 29 2009, 09:34 PM

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QUOTE(kmarc @ Apr 29 2009, 09:16 PM)
So you're saying that if I were to choose only one REIT, I should go for AXREIT right?  hmm.gif
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Not what I mean, just please don't look at their lowest point to include your judgement on buy and sell decision.

But Axreit is the most diversified among the local reit.
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post Apr 30 2009, 09:37 AM

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QUOTE(whizzer @ Apr 29 2009, 11:27 PM)
Can we sort of use the NAV as a yardstick for reference. E.g. AXREIT is around RM1.75, so theoritically, below, this price consider still attractive to get ?
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Not quite, NAV can be varied from time to time due to properties price. As with properties price is seen to be softening in the near term and with difficulty to fetch and renew lease with ease, it needs to be traded at some discount, otherwise, it is not attractive, that's what and why reits are traded at discount across.

Also what you concern about reit is its yield aka rental income. A company can have a property that worth Rm1.75 but there is no tenants, then it is not worth to buy the property at RM1.75.

NAV is not the ultimate yardstick, but long term sustainable income is the key.

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ Apr 30 2009, 08:32 PM)
If RM depreciate that means high inflation especially imported stuffs....
wonder if reits able to  hedge against it or not....Just in case this things happen
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Think further if RM depreciate, your FD, pocket money is more exposed than your reit investment.

If inflation is high, what you look for to protect?
A. Hard asset - land, gold, properties

If RM is depreciating, what you look for
A. foreign currency and asset.

Also if RM is depreciating, it just mean properties in the eye of foreigner become cheaper, unless Malaysia shut the door of properties for foreigner. So you might see properties price increase as well.

Reit although is not a good tool to hedge, at least it serves as hard asset.


Added on April 30, 2009, 9:16 pmActually nothing can hedge against the real inflation, even gold itself. Although gold and most hard asset appreciated with inflation, if calculated properly, they just can hedge a certain % wise, definitely not close to 80% or 100% or so, except some hard asset/land with strategic location (remember strategic location only, not all)



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post May 1 2009, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(darkknight81 @ May 1 2009, 12:03 PM)
So with this 3 ASW + YTL POWER + Reits. Does it look balance??
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Balance or not balance, it doesn't matter. What matter in investment is you are comfortable with the risk you have taken, be it high or low.

As said on your post, there is no perfect investment nor perfect investment strategy, it is about individual risk appetite.


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post May 9 2009, 10:48 AM

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QUOTE(panasonic88 @ May 9 2009, 01:21 AM)
emm, i try to compare side by side Amfirst & Axreit Q1 report.

- Number of properties owned by Axreit ~ 19; while Amfirst only has 6
- Amfirst's gearings / borrowing is higher than Axreit's
- Amfirst DPU is based on semi-quarter, while Axreit is on every quarters
- Total income of Amfirst is higher than Axreit, hmmm?
- what does NAV means?

Amfirst's tenants are:-
Bangunan AmBank, AGLC, Menara Ambank, Menara Merais, Kelana Brem, Summit USJ
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Don't look at the total income alone. Some profit/gain is come from properties revaluation, not actual rental income.
Actual income is 4.xx cents.

One of advantage of Amfirst compared to Axreit is that its parent company AMMB is the major tenant which they won't scare of non-renewal of lease.
This is also a disadvantage, because it is conflict of interest, also its relied solely on its parent company, not actual market demand.

NAV - Properties worth based on lastest valuation (which needs to revised every three years)
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post May 10 2009, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(mynewuser @ May 10 2009, 09:03 AM)
Why most REIT counter move so slow one?
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Because they are not as same as ordinary share.

Having reit is as same as having a property and rent it out.

Its value is fully tied to its properties value and its net rental income. No other thing else.


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post May 10 2009, 10:37 PM

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We will only see big move in reit when there is a property boom, just like reit in US 2 years back when real estate is sky-rocketing/bubbling.
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post May 11 2009, 01:20 PM

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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ May 11 2009, 12:22 PM)
Can anyone confirm that Stareit does not pay divs on 3rd quarters? Don't know why my OSK showing no divs for 3rd quarter last year. Since REITs pays at least 90% of their distributable income and seem to pay quarterly, kind of weird to miss one quarter right? Hope someone can clarify.
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Stareit only pay semi-annually, not quarterly.
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post May 12 2009, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(moorish @ May 12 2009, 02:52 PM)
I duno which one, I was just asking about if its good to go into reits and this is what I was told, so how much was this 2 years dividend if you know?
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For the last 2 years, most reit DPU (or dividend yield) was around 7-8%.

Now mostly are at around 8-10% (price goes down so yield become higher) as market discounted for softer property prospect.

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