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 Student caning issue, You for or against??

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1. Yes, I support the teacher [ 207 ] ** [72.38%]
2. No, I support the student [ 50 ] ** [17.48%]
3. Dunno, I char siew [ 29 ] ** [10.14%]
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post Jun 26 2019, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jun 26 2019, 03:07 PM)
If you ask new gen parenting, they say its the wrong way to teach your child. The proper way is to reason with your child. Give them a sense of adult responsibility. Hence, call their parents by their first name. No problem!
No wonder kids these days so lembik macam taufu.
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post Jun 26 2019, 03:11 PM

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What is the policy of the school and government on punishment? Surely there is a guideline or sop. Follow je lah, what is the issue? No need to debate here and there, show the policy/guideline first.


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post Jun 26 2019, 03:12 PM

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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jun 25 2019, 07:47 PM)
For me, I definitely support the teacher!!! Apa char siew gen is this?!?!  doh.gif
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mana option for caning, but only to butts and palms? MANA?!

so can simply cane anywhere la? i support caning, but only to limited areas
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post Jun 26 2019, 03:20 PM

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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jun 26 2019, 02:38 PM)
You are right that if it leaves permanent scars then it's definitely a no no. However, if you look at the picture clearly, it's like a normal "rotan" session to me. Though the teacher should have cane the palm or buttocks, but sometimes you'll need to understand the teacher's point of view as well.

My question to you is, Have you ever thought children? How about those naughty ones? How about those rebellious ones? How about those who shouts at you? Those who spits at you? In a normal human being, you'll have your limits too. You can't expect a teacher to be a SUPERMAN!

I'm not a teacher myself but I have lots of teacher friends and I feel for them. Low pay, kena marah from parents for the smallest thing!!! Parents blame them when their kids do not do well in school, and lots more.

Teachers should be honored instead of criticize. I do agree that there are a few bad apple teachers out there but most of the teachers are making an effort to help the children. It's the parents who demands the teachers to educate and discipline them but they themselves don't do anything. Parents think money is KING. So, I give you lots of MONEY and I want the teacher to make my child like Einstein!  doh.gif

Here's an article of another who believes in caning - https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/letters/...W3Zh6iTWa5gm.99
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13 y/o teenager, expect to be naughty and rebellious. Not everyone can be a teacher, and everyone has their limits. Hence, that teacher should be sent to more training to improve himself or find a way to vent out those frustrations. If they cannot handle it, it is not suitable for them as a profession.

It just happened to be this teacher is one of the bad apples in the basket, and I am criticising this particular teacher's actions. This teacher caned at the wrong area, outside the guidelines set by MOE, he should be criticised of his action instead of being supported. If he follows the guideline and caned the palm/buttocks with clothing, max. 3 times with proper reasons and holistic intention, then I am all supportive of him, but no, he did it wrongly.

You are generalising/stereotyping, not all parents think money is KING, and not all teachers felt they kena marah from parents for the smallest thing.

The child may come from difficult background, abusive primary school teachers, school bullies, etc. If you look at the academic report cards, a student with lots of E already ringing a lot of bells, something is disrupting her from studying. The student should also be sent to a child psychologist for evaluation, maybe she will reveal the whole big picture and get better guidance from the child psychologist, she won't call the teacher pondan for no reason, she needs help.

As I said, both the teacher and the student have their issues, problem + problem = catastrophe.
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QUOTE(Twenty-Fifth Baam @ Jun 26 2019, 03:12 PM)
mana option for caning, but only to butts and palms? MANA?!

so can simply cane anywhere la? i support caning, but only to limited areas
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Option here bro.

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post Jun 26 2019, 03:28 PM

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pijak all student!!!!
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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jun 25 2019, 07:47 PM)
For me, I definitely support the teacher!!! Apa char siew gen is this?!?!  doh.gif

update : While I don't support the student and the mother but don't la ruin her life!  doh.gif
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post Jun 26 2019, 05:36 PM

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QUOTE(Newsray @ Jun 26 2019, 02:43 PM)
All these account/people are closely related to the teacher.
They are here to defend the teacher to minimize the damage.
Even stoop low like politician to smear and public shaming a kid.
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Yes, shameful behaviour from many /k here. Bringing in their personal stories does not make their case any stronger, actually. Rather i chuckled at their stories and dumb analogies.

The facts are simple and I go by the logic of what has transpired. That teacher failed to adhere to SOP with regards to caning a student and I’m just waiting for the Ministry to act against him. No need for any emotion here.

Other /k better show some restrain in their vilification of that young girl.
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post Jun 26 2019, 05:43 PM

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This char siew lalamui don’t even love herself, always go out act gangster take picture drinking alcohol. If she don’t respect herself , why should I respect her? Send her to the ranch
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post Jun 26 2019, 05:50 PM

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QUOTE(Newsray @ Jun 25 2019, 08:23 PM)
Your poll is skewed and biased towards the real point of the issue.

1. Student rude.
2. Teacher rotan to discipline.

Most of course will vote for the teacher!

The real point is the teacher abuse his power with excessive beating the student into submission.

Thats the crime fall under Akta Kanun Keseksaan seksyen 323.
Well maybe seksyen 335 might be more suitable.

Thats a crime under the LAW.

You put that into the poll, the teacher can close shop de.
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you call that excessive beating ka?
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post Jun 26 2019, 05:51 PM

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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jun 26 2019, 03:21 PM)
Option here bro.

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post Jun 26 2019, 05:56 PM

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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jun 26 2019, 03:21 PM)
Option here bro.

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post Jun 26 2019, 05:57 PM

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Since caning was clearly violating the MOE guidelines, as reported in the news, the fault is with the teacher no doubt. Not saying what the student did was right but right or wrong there are guidelines to be adhered to. There are dos and donts on how to handle violations by students. Caning brutally until visible welts is definitely not the way and a violation of how a teacher should deal with students and he must be dealt with properly.
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QUOTE(Lada Putih @ Jun 26 2019, 05:50 PM)
you call that excessive beating ka?
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When you beat with rage state of mind and beating everywhere on the hand and leg.

Even when I beat my daughter, I will go for 1 or 2 stroke of rotan even when anger actually got better of me.
Yet it was never like what the teacher did. Imagine the state of anger he was in.

If you had to strike on the defenseless child multiple time like a MAD MAN, you are letting the rage in your mind to get the better of you.
Which was why the teacher totally forgotten on the SOP guideline. He was out of his sound mind because of the rage. And he proceed to hit and hit and hit.

I would be OK if the teacher carry out the punishment following guideline with the intention to right the wrong.
I would be pissed he hit the defenseless child with the hatre in mind. Thats abusing of power.
Yes that might not look to be very bad cane marks. It was the exasperation and anger when carrying out the punishment which against SOP.
Do you like it when teacher not actually punishing your child but rather hitting her because he wanted to release his anger?

The point was not the canning but rather the balas dendam state of mind which led to beat beat beat beat beat until huuuu lepas semua geram.




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post Jun 26 2019, 07:11 PM

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QUOTE(Newsray @ Jun 26 2019, 06:24 PM)
When you beat with rage state of mind and beating everywhere on the hand and leg.

Even when I beat my daughter, I will go for 1 or 2 stroke of rotan even when anger actually got better of me.
Yet it was never like what the teacher did. Imagine the state of anger he was in.

If you had to strike on the defenseless child multiple time like a MAD MAN, you are letting the rage in your mind to get the better of you.
Which was why the teacher totally forgotten on the SOP guideline. He was out of his sound mind because of the rage. And he proceed to hit and hit and hit.

I would be OK if the teacher carry out the punishment following guideline with the intention to right the wrong.
I would be pissed he hit the defenseless child with the hatre in mind. Thats abusing of power.
Yes that might not look to be very bad cane marks. It was the exasperation and anger when carrying out the punishment which against SOP.
Do you like it when teacher not actually punishing your child but rather hitting her because he wanted to release his anger?

The point was not the canning but rather the balas dendam state of mind which led to beat beat beat beat beat until huuuu lepas semua geram.
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as far as i concern
when a child is outside calling ppl names
i would rather a teacher whip out of anger
than the kid get stab out of w/e thats outside

link for case study researhc purposes
Outraged Malaysians Save the Day Just 1 Hour after Video of Abused Child
https://www.worldofbuzz.com/outraged-malays...ild-went-viral/

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post Jun 26 2019, 07:17 PM

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QUOTE(Lada Putih @ Jun 26 2019, 07:11 PM)
as far as i concern
when a child is outside calling ppl names
i would rather a teacher whip out of anger
than the kid get stab out of w/e thats outside

link for  case study researhc purposes
Outraged Malaysians Save the Day Just 1 Hour after Video of Abused Child
https://www.worldofbuzz.com/outraged-malays...ild-went-viral/
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QUESTION :

You would rather a teacher beat a student, exactly just like that video world of buzz, out of anger ?
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QUOTE(Lada Putih @ Jun 26 2019, 07:11 PM)
as far as i concern
when a child is outside calling ppl names
i would rather a teacher whip out of anger
than the kid get stab out of w/e thats outside

link for  case study researhc purposes
Outraged Malaysians Save the Day Just 1 Hour after Video of Abused Child
https://www.worldofbuzz.com/outraged-malays...ild-went-viral/
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If the teacher rotan the girl until bleeding, will your response be different?
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post Jun 26 2019, 07:37 PM

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QUOTE(oucheev @ Jun 26 2019, 07:30 PM)
If the teacher rotan the girl until bleeding, will your response be different?
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most probably they will stand with teacher

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because

*ala, aku dulu kena rotan dgn cikgu sampai nak pecah buah pinggang, elok je sampai skrg, jadi je orang berguna * CARD activate nod.gif
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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jun 26 2019, 03:21 PM)
Option here bro.

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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jun 26 2019, 03:07 PM)
If you ask new gen parenting, they say its the wrong way to teach your child. The proper way is to reason with your child. Give them a sense of adult responsibility. Hence, call their parents by their first name. No problem!
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if cannot reason try to viral or suicide. apa susah!?

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