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 Student caning issue, You for or against??

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1. Yes, I support the teacher [ 207 ] ** [72.38%]
2. No, I support the student [ 50 ] ** [17.48%]
3. Dunno, I char siew [ 29 ] ** [10.14%]
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post Jun 26 2019, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(drowning @ Jun 26 2019, 02:29 PM)
Looking at the number and location of caning scar, it doesn't looks like the teacher is caning to teach a lesson. It looks more like a revenge caning.

I totally agree that the caning should be carried out, but should be done properly. This looks like wild swinging caning. The scar is in 3 distinct different places. Imagine you taking a wild swing.
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isn't it obvious that the teacher has lost his shit in order to cane student like that

people who has low EQ n professionalism like him is definitely unsuitable to be an educator
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post Jun 26 2019, 02:33 PM

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Rather kena cane now then kena belasah outside
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post Jun 26 2019, 02:37 PM

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post Jun 26 2019, 02:38 PM

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QUOTE(RicoT @ Jun 26 2019, 02:07 PM)
It is not about whether the skin is torn = excessive. This is excessive force.

Canning anywhere besides the palm of the hand and buttocks, as per rules set out by MOE for canning discipline, is already excessive and illegal, exceeded the legal boundaries. If teacher don't follow rules, then what kind of message the teacher is sending to the students?

Why the palm of the hand? Have you seen those stings from jellyfish, the skin on the palm of a hand or sole of a foot is always under wear and regenerate, so the scar will go away sooner. For the rest of the skin on the body, the scar will remains for a very long time.

Why the buttocks? Because it is a part where it is covered all the time in public. So if there is a scar there, it won't affect the image/looks of a person. Also, there are cloth to "protect" the skin, so it will not be torn under excessive force. Canning the buttocks naked is also illegal.

If you daughter got permanent scars all around her because of a teacher's excessive canning, are you happy?
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You are right that if it leaves permanent scars then it's definitely a no no. However, if you look at the picture clearly, it's like a normal "rotan" session to me. Though the teacher should have cane the palm or buttocks, but sometimes you'll need to understand the teacher's point of view as well.

My question to you is, Have you ever thought children? How about those naughty ones? How about those rebellious ones? How about those who shouts at you? Those who spits at you? In a normal human being, you'll have your limits too. You can't expect a teacher to be a SUPERMAN!

I'm not a teacher myself but I have lots of teacher friends and I feel for them. Low pay, kena marah from parents for the smallest thing!!! Parents blame them when their kids do not do well in school, and lots more.

Teachers should be honored instead of criticize. I do agree that there are a few bad apple teachers out there but most of the teachers are making an effort to help the children. It's the parents who demands the teachers to educate and discipline them but they themselves don't do anything. Parents think money is KING. So, I give you lots of MONEY and I want the teacher to make my child like Einstein! doh.gif

Here's an article of another who believes in caning - https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/letters/...W3Zh6iTWa5gm.99
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post Jun 26 2019, 02:38 PM

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Sorry off topic but just a correction to everyone. My guru England cannot tahan anymore.

Canning = a method of preserving food in which the food contents are processed and sealed in an airtight container (tin)

Caning = Rotan
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post Jun 26 2019, 02:39 PM

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QUOTE(bamkai @ Jun 26 2019, 02:37 PM)
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post Jun 26 2019, 02:40 PM

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QUOTE(LamTin. @ Jun 25 2019, 09:35 PM)
In sweden, the malay malaysian couple been convicted to jail for 14months for canning their kids with rotan. And they even have to compensate 33k and 18k to their children. This abit funny la though for compensation.

In malaysia you are lucky because there is no law that disallow you to cane your children. But if you cane until whole body got red marks and the kid very the hate you and reported to police, then you might be in trouble as well.
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post Jun 26 2019, 02:40 PM

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I support i am char siew, cause above vote don't have my actual opinion answer
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QUOTE(oucheev @ Jun 26 2019, 02:38 PM)
Sorry off topic but just a correction to everyone. My guru England cannot tahan anymore.

Canning =  a method of preserving food in which the food contents are processed and sealed in an airtight container (tin)

Caning = Rotan
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thanks for highlighting. overlooked on it icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Jun 26 2019, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(drowning @ Jun 26 2019, 02:33 PM)
Clearly you don't have the EQ to handle this, much less to become a teacher.
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I tend to agree. Because i am a old school person. I believe in punishment and scolding.
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QUOTE(oucheev @ Jun 26 2019, 02:38 PM)
Sorry off topic but just a correction to everyone. My guru England cannot tahan anymore.

Canning =  a method of preserving food in which the food contents are processed and sealed in an airtight container (tin)

Caning = Rotan
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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jun 26 2019, 02:40 PM)
thanks for highlighting. overlooked on it  icon_rolleyes.gif
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char siew have to be canned

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post Jun 26 2019, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(kiddokitt @ Jun 26 2019, 02:31 PM)
That’s right, I agree with you.

TS too emotional and bias towards teacher from the get-go. TS useless char siew too.
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All these account/people are closely related to the teacher.
They are here to defend the teacher to minimize the damage.
Even stoop low like politician to smear and public shaming a kid.

I wonder if this is the culture the education people trying to instill.
Not only you abuse your power, and not following SOP.
You are even worse than a politician. At least a politician wont go so low to shame a kid.

You have done wrong. Instead of apologize to the public, you public shaming the kid to justify your action.
If the person is rude, you can beat them up as you like in the name of discipline.
You can public shaming with personal info as you like to hide the fact that you broke the LAW by executing the punishment as you like, to satisfy your anger for the rudeness against you.
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post Jun 26 2019, 02:44 PM

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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jun 26 2019, 02:38 PM)
You are right that if it leaves permanent scars then it's definitely a no no. However, if you look at the picture clearly, it's like a normal "rotan" session to me. Though the teacher should have cane the palm or buttocks, but sometimes you'll need to understand the teacher's point of view as well.

My question to you is, Have you ever thought children? How about those naughty ones? How about those rebellious ones? How about those who shouts at you? Those who spits at you? In a normal human being, you'll have your limits too. You can't expect a teacher to be a SUPERMAN!

I'm not a teacher myself but I have lots of teacher friends and I feel for them. Low pay, kena marah from parents for the smallest thing!!! Parents blame them when their kids do not do well in school, and lots more.

Teachers should be honored instead of criticize. I do agree that there are a few bad apple teachers out there but most of the teachers are making an effort to help the children. It's the parents who demands the teachers to educate and discipline them but they themselves don't do anything. Parents think money is KING. So, I give you lots of MONEY and I want the teacher to make my child like Einstein!  doh.gif

Here's an article of another who believes in caning - https://www.thestar.com.my/opinion/letters/...W3Zh6iTWa5gm.99
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Sorry, got to disagree. This issue here got nothing to do with kesian teacher, teachers workload, etc. That is more to do with weakness of our whole education system.

The MOE have a guideline for punishing student including the use of rotan. I agree that teachers should be allowed to use rotan but it must be use in accordance with the guideline. The guideline is actually to protect teachers because if the teacher had referred the case to HM or Discipline teacher, there will not be any issue if the parents go and make noise.
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QUOTE(oucheev @ Jun 26 2019, 02:44 PM)
Sorry, got to disagree. This issue here got nothing to do with kesian teacher, teachers workload, etc. That is more to do with weakness of our whole education system.

The MOE have a guideline for punishing student including the use of rotan. I agree that teachers should be allowed to use rotan but it must be use in accordance with the guideline. The guideline is actually to protect teachers because if the teacher had referred the case to HM or Discipline teacher, there will not be any issue if the parents go and make noise.
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Well... let's agree to disagree... It's not like whoever wins gets a RM 1 Mil! It's just differences in opinions which everyone is entitle to
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post Jun 26 2019, 02:51 PM

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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jun 26 2019, 02:46 PM)
Well... let's agree to disagree... It's not like whoever wins gets a RM 1 Mil! It's just differences in opinions which everyone is entitle to
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What I don't agree is a lot of people demonize the girl until it is now more like a case of cyber bullying. Yes, the mother was wrong to viral the issue. Yes, the girl should be taught discipline and punished for being rude but we should not just past judgement on both the girl and mother base on her academic record or the video. I also believe that the teacher were just having a bad day and that is why he lost his judgement. Hence, he just need to go for some anger management counseling.
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QUOTE(oucheev @ Jun 26 2019, 02:51 PM)
What I don't agree is a lot of people demonize the girl until it is now more like a case of cyber bullying. Yes, the mother was wrong to viral the issue. Yes, the girl should be taught discipline and punished for being rude but we should not just past judgement on both the girl and mother base on her academic record or the video. I also believe that the teacher were just having a bad day and that is why he lost his judgement. Hence, he just need to go for some anger management counseling.
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Actually if you look at Malaysian society nowadays, everyone gets triggered over a small thing.

Malaysians are becoming a rage society. True story!
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post Jun 26 2019, 02:56 PM

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QUOTE(IamAHuman @ Jun 26 2019, 02:54 PM)
Actually if you look at Malaysian society nowadays, everyone gets triggered over a small thing.

Malaysians are becoming a rage society. True story!
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Actually it is the same last time. The only difference is there were no social media for people to lash out their thoughts.
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post Jun 26 2019, 03:01 PM

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Both parties got wrong, but the one in the wrong the most is the mother.

Normal rotan mark only aso need to make polis report and viral it.

Last time i kene rotan until berdarah go home aso diam je, takut nanti cikgu phone my parents tell them. Then go home kene 1 round lagi.

You clearly fail to educate and teach you own kid proper manners, got wrong meh the teacher help teach ur guai lan lala kid some manners? Not like rotan leave permanent marks aso.

Puikk, sikit sikit nak bising.

Next time grow up sure become some whore.


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post Jun 26 2019, 03:04 PM

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I still remember my father personally told the teacher (in front of me) to just rotan me if I did anything wrong.
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QUOTE(Joey Christensen @ Jun 26 2019, 03:04 PM)
I still remember my father personally told the teacher (in front of me) to just rotan me if I did anything wrong.
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If you ask new gen parenting, they say its the wrong way to teach your child. The proper way is to reason with your child. Give them a sense of adult responsibility. Hence, call their parents by their first name. No problem!

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