Jul 1 2007, 04:21 PM
QUOTE(carlsuen @ Jun 29 2007, 01:39 PM)
3 times a week squatting programme for a beginner.. i didn't know that he is intermediate already.. but even so.. y shouldn't u squat 3 times a week? it'll get u to burn alot of cals while gaining strength and muscle mass.. it will be effective to anyone who's not used to that kind of volume.. and even tho u may have been lifting for long, it might not mean that u're intermediate already if u've been doing bullcrap stuff right from the beginning, u don't really qualify as an intermediate right? i still consider myself a beginner.. losing fat is all about diet as u will quickly agree too..
and i'm not applying what i said to rly or DL79 too.. it's merely my POV.. i didn't know enough about his history so i recommended rippetoe.. and i did ask for his history which he did not provide.. so whatever i recommend is totally up to me.. but whether or not he wants to choose to take the recommendation is tatally up to him..
and i'm not applying what i said to rly or DL79 too.. it's merely my POV.. i didn't know enough about his history so i recommended rippetoe.. and i did ask for his history which he did not provide.. so whatever i recommend is totally up to me.. but whether or not he wants to choose to take the recommendation is tatally up to him..
QUOTE(carlsuen @ Jun 29 2007, 02:29 PM)
yeap.. 5x5 would be great too!! as it is also a 3x a week squat programme.. and the volume on that is great too..
Lol... This is the kind of debate i will enjoy. You're too fixated on squatting 3x/week, etc. Overall, I personally believe that in advanced bodybuilders the central nervous system does not recover "nsync" with protein synthesis. What this means is that while protein synthesis may decline the CNS is still recovering. And, we must remember that it is the CNS thats the underlying factor in strength. I theorize that a stronger CNS allows for greater weights to be used in the 6-8 range which in turn allows for better stimulation of myofibrillar hypertrophy. The "bad" of reduced protein synthesis may be offset by the "good" of a stronger CNS which can allow for better workouts. I would imagine it can vary person to person as well. Besides the CNS we also have the connective tissue to worry about. As lifter gets more advanced the connective tissue gets more strain, we must remember that connective tissue repairs slower then muscle. So again its very likely that while protein synthesis may fall, connective tissue is still repairing.So I would thus theorize that there are multiple factors in regard to "recovery" besides protein synthesis and in my opinion its best to wait until all factors are fully optimized. Perhaps this is why people who train each muscle once a week tend to be less prone to feeling overtrained, which often is a reflection of a burnt out CNS combined with worn out joints. And I know this is happening to some of you in your journals.
QUOTE(victor_hoh @ Jun 29 2007, 01:57 PM)
I think rippletoe is suitable only for beginners, reasons:
1. The program takes newbie gain into consideration, that is you can increase ur poundage very fast when u just started training. This is because you are learning to do the exercise more efficiently. For people who already familiar with the exercise, u cannot advance as quick.
2. Rippletoe does not ramp the weight. You use the same weight for 3X5. For advance people, this will usually mean either using a poundage too high, and risk hurting urself, or using a poundage too low to benefit from it.
3. This is a program that concentrate on strength. It will not make you look like a bodybuilder, but it will only make you grow when you are still a beginner. For advance people, you need the volume in your training to induce "pump" to grow.
4. If you want to burn fat, then the volume of Rippletoe is too low to burn anything.
Correct in mostly all of your points. I should train with you one day, we'll learn much from each other. *Respect*. 1. The program takes newbie gain into consideration, that is you can increase ur poundage very fast when u just started training. This is because you are learning to do the exercise more efficiently. For people who already familiar with the exercise, u cannot advance as quick.
2. Rippletoe does not ramp the weight. You use the same weight for 3X5. For advance people, this will usually mean either using a poundage too high, and risk hurting urself, or using a poundage too low to benefit from it.
3. This is a program that concentrate on strength. It will not make you look like a bodybuilder, but it will only make you grow when you are still a beginner. For advance people, you need the volume in your training to induce "pump" to grow.
4. If you want to burn fat, then the volume of Rippletoe is too low to burn anything.
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