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 ehh, Even CPUs need hotfix, what! a hotfix for intel processor? LOL

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probiotix
post Jun 27 2007, 12:13 PM

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QUOTE(ikanayam @ Jun 27 2007, 11:46 AM)
If it requires a microcode update, it's not microsoft's problem, it means the problem is in the chip. It probably happens that microsoft stumbled upon the problem, some instruction or combination of instructions they use trigger the problem. I'm sure more people run windows update than update their bios, so the best bet is to just fix it there.
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so do we have to update windows with this patch every time we format or is it just a one time process? Dunno whether same like 'flashing'.



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post Jun 27 2007, 12:14 PM

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QUOTE(Aoshi_88 @ Jun 27 2007, 12:02 PM)
Does this affect the T-series cores?
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In the mobile world, people with the Core 2 Duo T5000 and T7000 need to visit Microsoft's site, while the server guys will want to use motherboard BIOSes if they do not rely on Microsoft Windows operating systems.
Yes.
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post Jun 27 2007, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(probiotix @ Jun 26 2007, 11:13 PM)
so do we have to update windows with this patch every time we format or is it just a one time process? Dunno whether same like 'flashing'.
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If you fix it via a windows patch, then it works by loading the updated microcode every time windows starts up. So you will have to update windows with this patch again if you format. But if it is really that important, i expect that we will be seeing BIOS updates soon with the microcode update. In this case the BIOS loads it every time the computer boots, it is OS independent which is a good thing.
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post Jun 28 2007, 09:29 AM

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What a bout laptops? Reason is i'm getting my laptop tomorrow and i don't think BIOS upgrades for laptops are all that easy to find.
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post Jun 28 2007, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(Aoshi_88 @ Jun 28 2007, 09:29 AM)
What a bout laptops? Reason is i'm getting my laptop tomorrow and i don't think BIOS upgrades for laptops are all that easy to find.
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In the mobile world, people with the Core 2 Duo T5000 and T7000 need to visit Microsoft's site, while the server guys will want to use motherboard BIOSes if they do not rely on Microsoft Windows operating systems.
you need the soft microcode update via Windows operating system update.
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post Jun 28 2007, 10:31 AM

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The operating system will automatically update right?
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post Jun 28 2007, 12:26 PM

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neither intel nor MS wants to tell what the nature of the problem or what application its affected or the symptoms
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post Jun 28 2007, 12:47 PM

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as the time of this post, there are still no bios update for this problem from major motherboard manufacturers. Maybe this is the reason Microsoft released the hotfix?
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post Jun 28 2007, 12:48 PM

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Intel documents such errata, if you know where to look smile.gif
http://download.intel.com/design/processor...dt/31327914.pdf
i believe page 58 describes this particular problem.

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In rare instances, improper TLB invalidation may result in unpredictable
system behavior, such as system hangs or incorrect data. Developers of operating systems should take this documentation into account when
designing TLB invalidation algorithms. For the processors affected, Intel has provided a recommended update to system and BIOS vendors to incorporate into their BIOS to resolve this issue.

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post Jun 29 2007, 11:51 AM

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my lappy got affected. btw any other alternative beside patch via microsoft? coz im using pirated windows...
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post Jun 29 2007, 01:25 PM

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Could this also cause premature Super Pi 32M failures during overclock ?
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post Jun 29 2007, 04:46 PM

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Can i know if window auto update cover this? I am using T5000 series.. Will we have to manually update or window update does for us?
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post Jun 29 2007, 09:45 PM

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Hardware Home: Intel Core 2 CPU error discovered and patched
By: Oscar Meade - Published June 28, 2007 at 4:22 PM EDT - Writer Archive
Error in TLB cache in Intel Core 2 CPUs that is used to improve the speed of virtual address translations fixed.
Via The Inq: "At first Intel posted the details about these particular errata back in late April inside a Core 2 Specification Update PDF document, explaing how this error could cause memory leaks and ultimately, lead to crashes.

"We've addressed a processor issue by providing a BIOS update for our customers that in no way affects system performance. We have documented this as an errata. All processors from all companies have errata, and Intel has a well-known errata communication process to inform our customers and the public. Keep in mind the probability of encountering this issue is low. Intel documented the issue a few months ago - Specification Updates for the affected processors are available at http://developer.intel.com."

The errata inside all Core 2 processors (T series, E series, Q series, QX series and Xeon 5000 series) can appear in very rare cases, and it can result a computer refusing to accept keyboard of mouse inputs. In Windows environment, it may result with a worldly known Blue Screen of Death, while Linux'es of this world may end up with kernel panic.

In conclusion, this problem has been fixed, with BIOS updates for motherboards containing fixes after the erratum was posted on developer.intel.com. Microsoft came up with a patch that will stop errata from possibly appearing, Apple already updated Mac OS X while the Linux status is unknown at time of writing*. It remains to be seen whether the companies will rather choose to go full disclosure of every error that happens in the future"
here another article of it blink.gif
by the way, could any1 upload to another website so i could update also? Because i using pirated win XP PRO?

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post Jun 29 2007, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(Auraguy @ Jun 29 2007, 08:45 AM)
here another article of it blink.gif
by the way, could any1 upload to another website so i could update also? Because i using pirated win XP PRO?
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Haha, first you quote an article without mentioning the source, then you want help with your piracy? Go away.
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post Jun 29 2007, 11:08 PM

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wah.. all over the web.. y the suddent spotlight?

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Intel Core 2 Duo Has 'Non-Fixable' Bugs, OpenBSD Founder Alleges

Source : http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1558...2129TX1K0000532

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post Jun 29 2007, 11:11 PM

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i used the patch
seems no rasa
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post Jun 29 2007, 11:13 PM

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suppose to be no rasa 1 wat..

y?? ur expecting drastic improvements in speed? LOL

or

morph a dualcore to a quadcore?? doh.gif

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post Jun 29 2007, 11:15 PM

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umm, E4000 and E6000 meaning E6300, E6400 etc etc ..? blush.gif
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post Jun 30 2007, 01:34 AM

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post Jun 30 2007, 06:02 AM

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Well, I don't think it is overhyped. It is about time we hear some serious erratas from INTEL. We can't just blame Windows all the time when we get a BSOD. The CPU is at fault not Windows for a change!

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