Hi all...

Being raised up liberally and unconservative, always drink malta and nutrimalt after offfice hours/ balik keje/ or after heavy work.

Just to get the refreshing feelings.

Suddenly raya, my sort of pious cousin (baru balik arab studies) opened up my refrigerator, suddenly making hoo haa about the drinks ihad and saying my house is not shariah compliance.

He might have said it in raya jokes to liven up my house with pak cik mak cik. But i was damn pisssssssssssed off.

As my auntie suddenly joking is my foods served got halal checked or not. My wife sakit hati and no mood for raya already yesterday. Fake smiles throughout the session

So in short, its ok to consume or not? Its non-alcoholic drinks. Been consumed it just like drinking normal drinks.

ur cousin got wear vest?

yup, name checks out

how is that their concern if halal or not? you answerable to 'him' yourself la

then why JAKIM so busy body ??

if have halal chop
then its halal tanpa was was

you ask Tun M and Mujahid la... waste of tax payer money with large budget and limited job scope.

rm1 billion per year only mah,.. sup sup sui,..

inb4

halal logo >>> read ingredient

The most pissed off should be your wife who prepare all the food for them....tabah yo both of you

most busiest month = puasa month
rest of the months = ransack hotel based on public lodging report
sup sup sui la... best return of investment ever

Tell him you cooked a special BKT dish for him.

no mabuk no alcohol no babi consider halal la

http://kemusykilan.islam.gov.my/v2/index_j...p?ids=103886&q=

Assalamualaikum w.b.t,

Saudara / Saudari yang dirahmati Allah,
Minuman malta ini tidak mendapat sijil halal dari jakim. Mohon menyemak sama ada minuman tersebut tertera logo halal atau tidak.

Ini kerana, ada minuman malta yang dihasilkan adalah halal dan ianya bukanlah dihasilkan dari proses pembuatan arak.

Mohon merujuk fatwa yang dinyatakan:

Berdasarkan taklimat, pembentangan dan penjelasan yang disampaikan oleh pakar-pakar daripada Institut Penyelidikan Produk Halal, Universiti Putra Malaysia serta dengan mengambilkira keputusan-keputusan yang telah diputuskan dalam Muzakarah Jawatankuasa Fatwa Majlis Kebangsaan Bagi Hal Ehwal Ugama Islam Malaysia terdahulu, Muzakarah Khas Jawatankuasa Fatwa Majlis Kebangsaan Bagi Hal Ehwal Ugama Islam Malaysia yang membincangkan isu alkohol dalam makanan, minuman, pewangi dan ubat-ubatan pada 14 hingga 16 Julai 2011 telah bersetuju memutuskan seperti berikut:



Setiap minuman arak adalah mengandungi alkohol. Walaubagaimanapun bukan semua alkohol itu adalah arak. Alkohol yang diperolehi dari proses pembuatan arak, hukumnya haram dan najis.


Manakala alkohol yang diperolehi bukan melalui proses pembuatan arak hukumnya tidak najis, tetapi haram (tidak boleh) diminum dalam bentuk aslinya kerana ia adalah racun dan boleh membunuh.


Minuman ringan yang diproses/dibuat bukan dengan tujuan untuk menghasilkan arak dan mempunyai alkohol di bawah aras 1%v/v adalah harus (boleh) diminum.


Manakala minuman ringan yang dibuat dengan niat dan cara yang sama seperti proses membuat arak, sama ada mengandungi banyak atau sedikit alkohol atau alkoholnya disuling adalah haram diminum.


Makanan atau minuman yang mengandungi alkohol secara semulajadi seperti buah-buahan, kekacang atau bijirin serta perahannya, atau alkohol yang terkandung itu terjadi secara sampingan semasa proses pembuatan makanan atau minuman adalah tidak najis dan harus (boleh ) dimakan/diminum.


Makanan atau minuman yang mengandungi bahan perisa atau pewarna yang mengandungi alkohol untuk tujuan penstabilan adalah harus (boleh) digunakan sekiranya alkohol itu bukan dihasilkan dari proses pembuatan arak dan kuantiti alkohol dalam produk akhir itu adalah tidak memabukkan dan kadar alkohol tidak melebihi 0.5%.


Ubat-ubatan dan pewangi yang mengandungi alkohol sebagai bahan pelarut adalah tidak najis dan diharuskan sekiranya alkohol tersebut bukan diambil melalui proses pembuatan arak.




Wallahua'lam

stout = unbrewed malta/nutrimalt

inb4 baik untok kita

Last time got Babrican

its haram because of alcoholic %.

but in malta and nutrimalt, its malt without the yeast. so, 0% alcohol. So, why would it be haram?

maybe the only argument by some section of your family members is that it is produced and packed at the same factory as those alcoholic beverages.

I have no prob drinking malta, but the downside is that it is packed with sugars and unhealthy.

gov now really need to control those who when to those "super advace" country lah.

why not sent to "super backward" country like Qatar, Bahrain, and Dubai?

Its due to placement of the drinks.
It is place with the alcoholic.
and no one come out and say this is OK drink to begin with.

What you should ask youself is if you should stop or carry on. Faith is yours.

Habislah your house will have another pak arab.
prepare to harambe eveything.

why bother their remark,?
your life, not theirs,
they are hypocrite to begin with....

If Kelantanese can eat things called tapai, then why the hell can't you drink Malta?

nak minum then minum je


but the sugar contents is more concerning really.

org mcm tu... diorang keras kepala... nak tgk logo halal jugak... no point in talking to them.

logo halal is an indication for muslims to purchase without any doubt that the product is indeed halal for consumption.


the food is still halal even if x da logo halal as long as the ingredient is halal and there is no alcohol content.


from this explanation these people will then ask... " kalau halal kenapa JAKIM x letak logo halal"

from here... u will start debating. but they still want to win.


occasionally they will say " eee... kilang carlsberg/heineken... mesti dia campur2"

you will need knowledge of beer brewing process to answer this one...

personally im pretty sure they dont mix fermented and un-fermented beer in the same VATS

This post has been edited by h4r8_kIlLeR: Jun 10 2019, 11:27 AM

house is not shariah compliance

The root cause of all this prejudice. Jakim telling people got the stamp no need was was.

yup no need was was
even if the food is halal, complete with halal chop, but if you decide to be was was, haram it is
no need to buy anything from the store
cucuk tanam sendiri all food

also the cause of many sabotaging others/rival business nowadays
sudah ada logo halal jakim
but making smear fake haram post in whatsapp to make it viral
just last year 3 business around my place kena
1 of them more pity have to close shop for a week for thorough check, turns out nothing

It's because jakim told people got stamp then no need was was. Indirectly people see no stamp have to be was was.

malta taste hnggggg abit like guiness stout without alchohol

If no halal logo, air pasar malam also no halal logo

drink halal , but produce in non-halal company.

it's the ignorance of the people. they'd been taught about halal and haram.

Obviously. Why use fermented product which cost higher on drinks that have lesser profits.

But some too stupid to think that, just simply bash because same factory.

well if it is a fish or vegetable, or grains its easier to be no was was
also i've seen lots of jualan puasa/raya no halal at all but do you was was?
this to be no was was also a skill to be learn when travelling outside malaysia
some people even was was korean halal chop or thailand halal chop
this kind of people no helping. also country where there's no halal chop
you can still translate word by word at the ingredient behind
as long as no animal, just plant or fish or grains should be okay


you see, halal logo is just halal logo
its just a testament that the food have gone under jakim checking to certified its halal
that doesnt mean food doesnt have logo halal is haram
do we need haram logo for stuck up people to understand? no
then lots of food during bazar ramadan also haram la

I've seen people also was was against vegetarian restaurants...

lel... next time don't invite ur cousin, party poopers sial

Too many prejudice people

one of the best drink but i only drink it once a while due to the sugar level

better than any of those pre-pack Tealive drink sold in some 7-Eleven

Malta takde alkohol. If malta + alkohol become stout then halam

House also want syariah compliant.

Later jakim expand business semua muslim mesti beli rumah certified halal and yearly inspection fees, and also spot check ingredients in fridge etc. Later kereta halal basikal halal tv halal computer halal, like that so many cert can produce manggggggg. Think of it also kepala pening.

i think malta got halal

not familiar with nutrimalt tho

it came from same factory so....

Yes, d sugar is d real danger.

Lolz. Understand the concern but if got Jakim chop then ok lor.

As usual, always confius

You guys minum air paip jer la... Ohwait, no 1 can assure if that is halal?

These talibans don't care one, the truth is they're racist. Halal logo is just an excuse they can use.

Orang kiter sell food at all those warung, gerai tepi jalan where got halal, but because tolong orang kite, they buy tanpa was was.

Non-muslim got halal also they will fitnah haram like Fresh Farm milk, just because one of the partner is cainis. Otak sudah rosak, no matter what fact to correct them, you think they will change? Brain already see Farm Fresh milk is cainis milk, sked got babi or holy water, then will tell all around them it's haram, cina jahat penipu jakim, orang islam, (LMAO they're the penipu actually).

previously both actually got halal cert from jakim (maybe around 20 years ago).

since then jakim updated the halal cert requirements and they are no longer certified halal (meaning still halal just not officially certified).

bcos they fail the "must be manufactured in a 100% halal processing plant" requirement.

since they both are made in the same factory as their normal alcoholic brothers without any separation.

this win.

iinm azarimy's brother or something is one of the farm fresh dealers.

kesian him and his group kena fitnah

this

fixed

used to.

but they cannot renew anymore as the halal cert requirement changed.

anyway up to muslims if they wanna drink it.

bcos afterall, beer/wine/spirits/etc. are confirmed haram yet many muslims still drink it at clubs or in the privacy of their homes...

now jakim will not certify any product as halal if it's produced in the same factory as non-halal stuff.

It's non alcoholic and doesn't make you drunk.

Paranoid and prejudice then.

ok noted

Farm Fresh hire many melayu, islam, bila mereka fitnah, melayu juga mangsa, cina dap pula kena disalahkan. Bodoh taliban, islam terancam bukan pasal cina pun, pasal bodoh taliban yang jahanamkan.

tapi bila ada bangsa lain panggil Taliban tahu pulak marah

janji tidak mabuk

Show ur cousin this


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If Malta is non-halal, then so is all other soda drinks. No need invite your cousin next year

Really???

So Shandy less than 1% right? So all my muslim bro come rejoiice tonight! Kita minum sampai tak mabuk!

Harus di minum! (You SHOULD drink!)

Soalan senang pun nak bagi orang pening

Harus in this context means permissible or allowed. Not should.

This. I remember ustaz azhar also got anwer this question in one of the kuliah. Originally the it is halal n harus to drink. But due to the manufacturing plant that produce alcoholic beverages, he just advise to avoid to prevent fitnah.

For me, i still drink it once in a while. Prefer to look on ingredients rather than fully rely on logo. God give brain and quran as guidance can use.

Ustaz tu kena la explain kan.
nanti ada yg tanya "kenapa boleh? ustaz explain sikit ustaz. betul ke ustaz?"

Should sounds best mah.

Harus direct translation is should.


Anyway, yg penting, janji boleh minum!

Lets have Shandy Festival bersama-sama!

tanya balik cousin:

kau sukak makan currybun kan,

u are wat you eat

BUURRRRNNNNN

x dan triggered terpisah tiada

So jawapan dia apa dari yang panjang2 tu?

Orang tanya pasal air, pi berjela2 pasal pewangi la, makanan semulajadi la, apa jadah la

Yes. It was pretty bad for him. But thankfully most of his customers are loyal.

tap water halal or not?

dun see the meleis stop mengumpat also.

Uhhh~ 0% alcohol. No babi.

There is no way to win an argument with those people. For me Malta and Nutrimalt is just an alcoholic drink. I don't like it because it is too sweet. Even if I do like it, I would never bought or drink it in front of my family. The conservative folks will scold you for drinking it. They will give the jakim logo argument. You will never win because Guiness and Carlsberg will never apply for halal cert. Not in a million years. Malay muslim only trusts jakim logo because it was indoctrinated into their belief system by the government.

Cold one nice, warm taste like shit.

AFAIK Malta did not get Jakim certificate because it's produced in the same plant as beer. Things that do not have jakim cert can still be halal, since Jakim takes other things into consideration than if a product is permissable or not. For example Root beer is halal everywhere else in the world. In Malaysia must be called Sarsi to appease Jakim.

Alcohol content of Malta is absolutly lower than any tapai you can buy at pasar from PAS-voting tudung lady.

Damn. Did not expect this to blow out.

Legit question.

When i typed this morning, was becaused wife decided to not cook or invite anybody home this raya.

yeah, I don't get it with all these Islamic scholars.

the answer is too long and not even really answering the root question.

at least letak la a 'yes' or 'no' at the beginning of the answer before elaborating.

back when the halal cert process was less rigid they did apply and I believe they got the logo.

but as the process is refined and new rules added (mainly that clause about halal and non-halal items being manufactured under the same roof) the halal cert was not renewed.

Sebenarnya malta ada alkohol ke tak? I drink it too

My wife put up ultimatum yesterday.

So... no more malta and nutrimalt in my house from today onwards.

Going to do open house next week. My wife wants to buy in relatives hearts back.

KNN MCB.

I heart you, KNN MCB

bump to comment that I prefer Malta over NutriMalt.

my sides

I like to drink this when I was in Dubai. Got 2 types.

Mabuk abjad
Even root beer is now sarsaparilla.

People need realize that halal haram is only for peasants. For elites everything is halal.

Better don't drink... high risked drink

Apa revived old tered ni

No chop, not halal

Need vroom vroom quota

Just drink it, but it's sugar content - too high... not good in long run. I used to drink it too, but not anymore. The sugar is too much.

Even babrican also no Jakim cert what... But the Arab drink like no tomorrow.



This post has been edited by haturaya: Apr 12 2020, 06:54 PM

Asking the public about Sharia, some said statically dominated by non Muslims.
why don't ask deeper question, like if Muhammad is really a messenger from Allah, or if the creator exist, or if he is one ore multi

This post has been edited by Mhd shah: Apr 12 2020, 07:56 PM

It's manufactured by alcoholic breweries.

Ayam ternak di tengah ladang babi, kau nak makan?

Ayam disembelih peniaga dikelilingi gerai potong daging babi, kau nak makan?