but what has his salary got to do with us? If the club decides that they could and should give him that then it's really not our problem... It's not like we are gonna pay him whatever just for him to fck around right? We are paying him to play for us.

2 different scenarios here: Owen is a local, he understands the rivalry with Utd, yet he joined them and helped them to win a title (personally I'm just bitter about the very last part). Coutinho is not a local, but rumours say he would not join any rivals out of respect for LFC. And now, understand the context of what we are talking about - Coutinho re-joining us, what's the relevance with Owen's case here? For the sake of discussion, if Owen were to rejoin us even after his Utd days, I would still want him to do well for us, because well, he's playing for us.

and yet many ppl make noise about salary too...
going by that logic, whatever the club decides...u all shouldnt make any noise at all as its not your problem...just sit down diam diam like a good boy.
same like who the club decides to be the captain etc.

I think if PC return it will boost our back room morale especially to Bobby, Allison and Fabinho these guys will be pleased 😄

Again 2 different things here: things that the club do that affect you and not affecting you. Salary and what not, is ultimately decision of the club alone. You can have opinion, talk about it like we are doing here, but end of the day, what can you do? More importantly, what would you do? Going on a strike because the club pay Coutinho 200k per week?

Now, for things that affect us, yes by all means going on strike. But for non-match-attending fans like us, there are rarely issues like this.

Beyond that, my point is, whatever you think of a player/manager, the minute he is working for us, we SHOULD all want him to succeed, otherwise are you really supporting the club?

no one can decide what the club wants to do. we can only talk about what we feel. end of the day, we just want our beloved club to win more trophies and get better.
for the back-room part, I am not sure if this situation will create more positives than negatives to the team or otherwise.
maybe one positive lesson that PC can share to his buddy - don't be too excited if "big" club come and knocking for your service. the grass is not always greener on the other side.

but wait...Woy?

Very true, he could be the living example that Liverpool could be your final destination too, especially with the club being where it is now.
There are also concern that he might show that the club is a stepping stone and a safety net at the same time though, where if you couldn't make the grade at an arguably slightly higher level, you could fall back into the arms of LFC. I think players simply won't want to waste 2 years on the bench while his ex-teammates are having fun and winning things.

Are you really missing my point man? Did you WANT him to fail the first second he is unveiled as the manager? Or did you think that he would fail?

woy...yes...he just didnt have the aura...his body language also said it all.
we all knew he was just coming here to pad his resume...nothing more...
and for someone with '30yrs of experience', u would expect them to be better...

Yes as in you wanted him to fail or you thought he would fail? I believe you meant the latter?

Owen was a free agent before he joined Utd, it wasn't like he has any other choice. In this case, he needed salary at the point of agreeing to pay as you play deal. If you were a player or in your own real life being out of job. You would have made the same decision.

Plus he was already 33 and lastly, we will never know what goes on behind the closed doors and why these decision was made.

Him leaving turned out perfect for us. I don't have any bad feelings for him or Torres or Owen. If PC didn't leave, we wouldn't have the transfer fee to recruit the players we have today. If we spent more wisely on Torres' fee, we could have had a even higher chance of winning something. If Owen didn't leave, we wouldn't have won the 5th UCL.

If Phillipe ever comes back, he would need to take a pay cut and be part of the same salary curve as the current players so it doesn't affect the other player. Actually, there are no clubs willing or can afford to pay his salary bar Real Madrid, or Man Utd who is quite dumb in salary management.

This post has been edited by kenlimfornication: Jul 17 2019, 01:24 PM

Well you are right on all front. But I doubt he didn't field offers from other clubs, and someone who really value his Liverpool roots would never sign for Utd, especially he has been a somewhat legend at Anfield due to his early exploits. His post-retirement comments also do not endear himself to me.

Maybe he has other offers but he would definitely pick the 1 with the best opportunity. The way he left us for Real Madrid was worse than joining Utd.

He says the dumbest things as a pundit so you should disregard of anything that comes out of his mouth haha.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/the-filter/...ng-interviewed/

Then he has to live with being a hero turned villain, hatred that comes via love is the worst of all. All in all, the way he conducted himself SINCE wanting to leave justifies my view of him: one of the worst associated with us for a meaningful period, if not outright the worst.

If Klopp is ok with this move & really bring him in, on loan, I have no complains. I'd trust Klopp decision and try to forget all the bad things that Couts did.

Hope he delivers.

Doesn't matter. Better to channel your energy on positive stuff and hope the youngsters perform and step up to back up the 1st team!

Can't wait for the next season.

Yeah, that guy won't even make it to the back of my mind.

well, wanting him to fail would mean i hate his guts...so no matter how good he is...i would want him to fail...
knowing he would fail would be he is crap and nothing can save him
so yes, the latter...
as for couts...its the same with any other case of rival players joining us...or vice versa...not many would get along.
would we support them...perhaps over time...but initially no one would approve etc.

parallels can actually be drawn with newcastle now as the fans revolt against the appointment of steve bruce...

this roots thing...just look back at history...
owen isnt the first from lfc to join man utd (directly or indirectly)...and i seriously doubt he will be the last...maybe in 20yrs time some other player would do the same.
so basically, owen being the scapegoat of this era is most memorable.

dont forget, we also had a lfc captain...who then went on to join man utd...not as a player but as a manager...yes, matt busby...
diff era obviously, but i would take a guess many lfc fans felt disgusted then too...just that we all obviously werent born yet then...but then again the lfc-man utd rivalry i dont think existed then...its more of an 80s onwards thing...

and of cos, we then had a certain rival in paul ince...who became our captain...

This post has been edited by Everdying: Jul 18 2019, 10:17 AM

That's my point lo.


You are right about Owen being the scapegoat, especially in my case, he was the first player to leave almost as soon as I started to support Liverpool (hey, Internet wasn't for the poor and Astro is still for the rich). And he didn't leave in the best way possible.