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post May 29 2019, 09:18 AM, updated 7y ago

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Malaysian millennials like Shephanie Kuan are discovering that a university degree alone is not sufficient to land them a job. Experience, prospective employers have been telling her, matters as well.

Ms Kuan, a 24-year-old linguistics graduate from Penang, has found herself in a Catch-22 situation since graduating last August.

"Yes, I don't have enough experience but I can make it if the companies give me a chance," said Ms Kuan, who studied in a local college.

Malaysian youth want to be given a chance, but the job market is lean. The country's central bank - Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) - said between 2010 and 2017, the number of tertiary graduates entering the workforce surpassed the number of jobs created for them.

In its annual report published in March, it said that on average, 173,457 diploma and degree graduates entered the workforce annually over that period.

But only 98,514 high-skilled jobs were created over that time.

"This suggests that the economy has not created sufficient high-skilled jobs to absorb the number of graduates entering the labour force," BNM said in its report.

173.5k Average number of diploma and degree graduates entering the Malaysian workforce annually.

98.5k Average number of high-skilled jobs created in the country each year.


Employers complain about the quality of fresh graduates and their unrealistic salary demands. Two-thirds of employers in a survey said that graduates asked for unrealistic wages of between RM2,400 and RM3,000 a month.

The job deficit has exacerbated Malaysia's already high youth unemployment rate of 13.2 per cent in 2017, which was three times the national unemployment rate. The unemployment rate for youth - aged between 15 and 24 - has been hitting double digits since 2012. It was 10.6 per cent in 2016.

"The high unemployment rate among youth is partly due to the lack of job experience and insufficient skills or education to compete in the labour market," the Finance Ministry said in its annual economic report published last November.

The ministry noted that most of the jobs created in 2018 were in the unskilled and low-skilled category.

The persistent high youth unemployment rate is giving Malaysia's one-year-old government another headache as it grapples with legacy issues left by the previous administration, while at the same time tackling a slowing global economy and the worsening United States-China trade war.

The Pakatan Harapan (PH) coalition took over from Barisan Nasional with the help of widespread support from young people, but the government of Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad is now facing declining support from this group.

Market research company Kajidata reported that overall confidence in PH among those in their 20s slid by 16.4 points by the end of last year, just months after the May election.

Young people who do find work are hit by another whammy.

"After adjusting for inflation, real starting monthly salaries for most fresh graduates have declined since 2010," BNM said.


Those with a master's degree saw their real income fall from RM2,923 (S$960) in 2010 to RM2,707 in 2018, while diploma holders' real income shrank from RM1,458 to RM1,376 over the same period.

The central bank's calculations took into account annual inflation.

To start with, many graduates are just hoping for a job interview.

"Employers care more about what they see in the resume than face-to-face interaction," said 23-year-old accounting diploma holder Lydia Wester.

"I get told that employers prefer degree holders. It's either that or they want someone with at least two years' work experience."

Employers, meanwhile, complain about the quality of fresh graduates and their unrealistic salary demands. Two-thirds of employers who took part in a 2017 JobStreet survey said graduates had asked for unrealistic wages of between RM2,400 and RM3,000 a month.

But a Khazanah Research Institute (KRI) report published last December found that fresh graduates were not choosy about jobs and did not ask for high salaries.

The report noted that when compared against the government-mandated monthly minimum wage of RM1,100 - meant to aid the working poor and low-skilled - what young people with tertiary education are asking for "does not seem unrealistic".


"Results suggest that young women and men cannot be considered choosy when most in unskilled and low-skilled jobs are 'over-educated' and their current jobs are not related to their level or field of education," the institute said.

Ms Kuan, who has been job-hunting for the past two months after a six-month internship ended in February, said: "There's a lot of stereotyping by employers who are looking to hire from a certain ethnic group only and generalising that overseas graduates are better than local graduates."

Some young people have turned to the gig economy. The Employees Provident Fund found that in 2017, the gig economy grew by 31 per cent over the year, faster than the traditional job market.

In its report, the KRI noted that one-third of young workers are turning to non-standard employment, including freelancing, which it said offers limited access to labour and social protection.

But it pays the bills, said Ms Chow Qian. After graduating with a music degree, the 22-year-old from Sabah has been working as a part-time music teacher during the day and performing in a band at night.

"A full-time job gives you a stable income but freelancing gives me the freedom to do what I want. I'm luckier compared with my classmates who are just starting out and don't know anyone in the industry," she said.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/f...obox=1559009570
TLDR : the brain drain continue sad.gif
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post May 29 2019, 09:19 AM

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I heard Mr diy is hiring..

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post May 29 2019, 09:22 AM

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AlamFlora is hiring
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post May 29 2019, 09:23 AM

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Now it's the 10 years recession cycle.

Oh wait, what bachelors degree is that
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post May 29 2019, 09:25 AM

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Kek 2.4k unrealistic?
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post May 29 2019, 09:25 AM

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freelance translator jobs kan banyak

or maybe can start work at law firms etc


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post May 29 2019, 09:26 AM

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MCD, KFC, and many more hiring, complaining short of staffs
Slapped in benefits, free meal, career advancement nobody bat an eye lol

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post May 29 2019, 09:26 AM

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wtf 3k unrealistic?

we're so right turning into PRC
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post May 29 2019, 09:28 AM

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2.4k - 3k is unrealistic? Fuhhh


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post May 29 2019, 09:29 AM

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QUOTE(JeremyLord @ May 29 2019, 09:25 AM)
Kek 2.4k unrealistic?
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Rm 1.XXX K only . Take it or leave it

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post May 29 2019, 09:29 AM

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2.4k, unrealistic. What?
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post May 29 2019, 09:30 AM

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kek... 3k?how to survive?
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they expect fresh grad gt 10years exp
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QUOTE(JeremyLord @ May 29 2019, 09:25 AM)
Kek 2.4k unrealistic?
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Absolute kek. Once got offered a part time job during my holidays in pavi and was told I could earn rm 2.2k if I wanted to. Imagine studying your ass off 5-6 years for a professional degree and employers say rm 2.4k was unrealistic. Really sad UG students like me seeing this. Yikes.

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post May 29 2019, 09:31 AM

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How is RM2,400 unrealistic???
It's just USD 500... for god's sake, spent years studyin in uni, not worth 500 -.-
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post May 29 2019, 09:32 AM

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QUOTE(grixis @ May 29 2019, 09:26 AM)
wtf 3k unrealistic?

we're so right turning into PRC
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actually PRC graduates already gets higher pay than Msia graduates now

about 7000 to 10000 yuan
RM4k-6k fresh grad salaries in cities like Shenzhen, Shanghai and Beijing
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-06/28/c_137287474.htm

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post May 29 2019, 09:33 AM

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Every year also say same shit. Boring.
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post May 29 2019, 09:33 AM

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get all the unemploy graduate to kick startup and earn from current workforce. Whatever services didnt have and provide by current workforce is the opportunity to kick start it. Such as grab, food truck, food panda and may think of others idea for new opportunity. Dont ever bind inside the black box and do try to think it out.

Even, jual karipap can earn rm10k per month in peak area in KL.
Even bangla and indon selling food in construction area can earn more than rm10k per month. They are kicking us with their earning money now!
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Wow now i takut.
I lagilah 27 yo no exp and only want to do degree in linguistics.

I hope i success go overseas study insyallah

Cibai employers lowball people all the time

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post May 29 2019, 09:34 AM

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QUOTE(James1983 @ May 29 2019, 09:32 AM)
actually PRC graduates already gets higher pay than Msia graduates now
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NO

https://supchina.com/2018/06/13/report-chin...tarting-salary/
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In KL programmers (freshie) are having median salary of RM 3.2k. Meanwhile my friend in China are earning RM 7-8k, that's their base salary.
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In KL programmers (freshie) are having median salary of RM 3.2k. Meanwhile my friend in China are earning RM 7-8k, that's their base salary.
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80ties kids start off with 1k salary

now after 15 yrs 15k ... okay what


oh wai below 20k /k/ standard

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Employer are too stingy.. 2.4k unrealistic? Wait till your son or daughter graduated and into the work space
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QUOTE(ju146 @ May 29 2019, 09:34 AM)
Employer are too stingy.. 2.4k unrealistic? Wait till your son or daughter graduated and into the work space
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next year, they gona say 1.5k is unrealistic
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> Ms Kuan, who has been job-hunting for the past two months after a six-month internship ended in February, said: "There's a lot of stereotyping by employers who are looking to hire from a certain ethnic group only and generalising that overseas graduates are better than local graduates."

> > Ms Kuan, a 24-year-old linguistics graduate

Erm, you sure the ethnic group or overseas degree are the problem?
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2.4k - 3k unrealistic lol

however, you'd have to look at yourself with your 'degree' as well, degrees in linguistic and music for the corporate world?
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QUOTE(grixis @ May 29 2019, 09:34 AM)
NO.

see my updated post:

between 7000 to 10000 yuan (btw, 1MYR is no longer 2.2Yuan, Ringgit is shit now)
RM4k-6k fresh grad salaries in cities like Chengdu, Shenzhen, Shanghai and Beijing
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-06/28/c_137287474.htm

kencing all over our RM2.4k lol

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those employer earn 99, fresh grad asking 2.4k - 3 k unrealistic..... really nothing to say

hard to survive in msia
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Banks and glc for example pay top management tens of thousands of salary per month and at least 6 months bonus but pay peanuts to the low tier employees
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Linguistics... Sounds familiar.. some ktard gonna study it. Kek
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Msia Abit special due to the quota system
Quality > quality

Usually employment and salary are based on demand and supply but in msia, this is heavily misrepresented
Gomen die die wan to full up the quota, even including non performer

When supply more than demand, the employer will offer lower salary since there's so many supply. More so if many of them are not up to the standard
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QUOTE(Spectreoutreach @ May 29 2019, 09:18 AM)

Ms Kuan, a 24-year-old linguistics graduate from Penang, has found herself in a Catch-22 situation since graduating last August.

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all the arguments and people ignore this

how much would you pay for someone who is good in language? say you need to hire one guy for a day
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unrealistic wages of between RM2,400 and RM3,000 a month.

this article is a bait

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U shud strengthen ur portfolio during ur study.

Try doing technical things related to ur job during study.



Good on paper only not enuf nowadays
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2.4k - 3k unrealistic??

dafuq these employers, want to take profit all to themselves.
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If 2.4k is unrealistic, then all new blood going to leave the country liao.

No need stay here, let this country rot. CB Stingy employers.
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keluar uni, they think standard is

gaji min 20k
seat opit
wear branded
opit deco like mall or high keras cafe
bonus enough for them to go japan/europe trip x 2 ppl
increament like 10 to 20 %
promote within 2 years
kenot scold them, even wrong also you need to slow talk and sayang them
cannot rush them coz they are emotional
go home time must ontime or
work time must can watapps, wechat and www


this is the requirement i believe is true story
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QUOTE(ju146 @ May 29 2019, 09:34 AM)
Employer are too stingy.. 2.4k unrealistic? Wait till your son or daughter graduated and into the work space
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make sure you smack them the back of their head if they want to study some crappy degree. if you allow them, then smack urself on the back of ur head for allowing them to do so
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QUOTE(+3kk! @ May 29 2019, 09:38 AM)
all the arguments and people ignore this

how much would  you pay for someone who is good in language? say you need to hire one guy for a day
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Depends on what language, my boss pays top dollar for someone who can speak in foreign language because of foreign clients. If can learn another skillset relating to our field. even better
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QUOTE(Teddysaur @ May 29 2019, 09:33 AM)
Wow now i takut.
I lagilah 27 yo no exp and only want to do degree in linguistics.

I hope i success go overseas study insyallah

Cibai employers lowball people all the time
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oh ya... Teddy you are going to further studies in linguistics.

Suggest you to stay in NZ for work post graduation console.gif
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QUOTE(James1983 @ May 29 2019, 09:47 AM)
oh ya... Teddy you are going to further studies in linguistics.

Suggest you to stay in NZ for work post graduation  console.gif
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Thank u james happy.gif
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post May 29 2019, 09:49 AM

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Ktard level English + linguistics degree

Wanna lawan with NZ ppl english

Kek
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QUOTE(James1983 @ May 29 2019, 09:47 AM)
oh ya... Teddy you are going to further studies in linguistics.

Suggest you to stay in NZ for work post graduation  console.gif
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what are the chances of foreign (english) country to accept Malaysian grads to work there

most specifically avg fresh grads with 0 experience and only come with basic set of skills sad.gif

i'm also worried about this... this is my decision maker
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Malaysia really no hope

After graduate better u work part time like in retail stores first while waiting for your official job.

Or just work insurance sales agent lul
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QUOTE(James1983 @ May 29 2019, 09:36 AM)
NO.

see my updated post:

between 7000 to 10000 yuan (btw, 1MYR is no longer 2.2Yuan, Ringgit is shit now)
RM4k-6k fresh grad salaries in cities like Chengdu, Shenzhen, Shanghai and Beijing
http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2018-06/28/c_137287474.htm

kencing all over our RM2.4k lol
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bodo tu simpan sikit... expected salary is not what they get, is what they want to get.

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The average monthly pay of 2018 college graduates in China is 5,429 yuan ($828.74), much less than the 6,174 yuan that graduates expect... Forty percent of new graduates expect to earn 8,000 yuan per month, while 9.5 percent of them expect a monthly salary of over 10,000 yuan. In actuality, 80 percent of them earn less than 8,000 yuan a month.


http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201806/26/W...49141dee6e.html

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China’s newest college graduates earn 4,000 yuan (US$588) a month on average – not enough to buy the cheapest iPhone 7 model, a recent survey showed. New graduates in Malaysia – whose average GDP per capita is the closest to China’s among other Asian countries – earned between US$491 and US$585 in 2015, according to recruitment platform JobStreet.


https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/art...ess-cost-iphone
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QUOTE(Ryurox2020 @ May 29 2019, 09:19 AM)
I heard Mr diy is hiring..
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QUOTE(CKKwan @ May 29 2019, 09:22 AM)
AlamFlora is hiring
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QUOTE(destiny6 @ May 29 2019, 09:26 AM)
MCD, KFC, and many more hiring, complaining short of staffs
Slapped in benefits, free meal, career advancement nobody bat an eye lol
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QUOTE(dewill @ May 29 2019, 09:33 AM)
get all the unemploy graduate to kick startup and earn from current workforce. Whatever services didnt have and provide by current workforce is the opportunity to kick start it. Such as grab, food truck, food panda and may think of others idea for new opportunity. Dont ever bind inside the black box and do try to think it out.

Even, jual karipap can earn rm10k per month in peak area in KL.
Even bangla and indon selling food in construction area can earn more than rm10k per month. They are kicking us with their earning money now!
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put so much effort and money for a cert, end up as above

really lol
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QUOTE(Chowda @ May 29 2019, 09:45 AM)
Depends on what language, my boss pays top dollar for someone who can speak in foreign language because of foreign clients. If can learn another skillset relating to our field. even better
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thats provided that person is skilled in your industry to handle foreign clients and if that said person knows the language you need

notice the amount of conditions required to hire this said person?
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sadly, all want high pay to cover rising living costs; but can they produce/justify 2X their annual salary
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QUOTE(myteam94 @ May 29 2019, 09:49 AM)
what are the chances of foreign (english) country to accept Malaysian grads to work there

most specifically avg fresh grads with 0 experience and only come with basic set of skills  sad.gif

i'm also worried about this... this is my decision maker
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High, NZ have severe talent shortage now. Most of my NZ graduate friends have stayed on and work there.

Whether you have the relevant fields is a different question la.
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QUOTE(Teddysaur @ May 29 2019, 09:33 AM)
Wow now i takut.
I lagilah 27 yo no exp and only want to do degree in linguistics.

I hope i success go overseas study insyallah

Cibai employers lowball people all the time
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go mah friend better than work with this i not sure what is right word for this kind people
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Wadepak? You know why? Influx of degree holders but not as much job vacancies (i.e not enough bosses/entrepreneurs to cover)
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If you want high chances of landing a job, go find out what is needed in the job market, then study the correct field.. how la.. if you study some skills that is not needed in the field..? competition is going to be higher, and yea fresh grads will have disadvantage compared to experienced guys...
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the report refers to those who's not suppose to take a degree and graduated,but still put thru the university program in order to reach certain kpi so we hv "many of graduate".

majority of them can put thru vocational school, technical school, instead of university, but they all ended being a graduate thru lower quality government university or even some private college or university who give them the diploma / degree which worth nothing.

it is not malaysia do not have enough highly skill jobs for them, it is they don't hv the highly skill to take the jobs, even for fresh graduate. some can't even speak good english. (though a lot of jobs may not required).

End result of putting mass student to come out fr university. If you are graduate with good grade and with professional skill, i don't think u can't find jobs, like what the rest posted, programmer is highly sought after as every where lack programmers, but we hv computers / IT student, who can't really program, or their skill level is in the range that no one wanna hire them.

but we hv a lot of indon, bangla who make more than 3k-4k a month, some are factory supervisor, site supervisor.

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QUOTE(ycs @ May 29 2019, 09:55 AM)
sadly, all want high pay to cover rising living costs; but can they produce/justify 2X their annual salary
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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/mala...enough-bnm-says

KUALA LUMPUR (March 27): Malaysians are not being paid enough for the level of productivity they are producing, with many of the country’s workers underpaid, said Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM).

According to the central bank’s 2018 annual report, Malaysian workers are paid less than their other regional peers, such as those in Singapore and South Korea.

“To illustrate this point, if a Malaysian worker produces output worth US$1,000, the worker will be paid US$340 for it. The corresponding wage received by a worker in benchmark economies for producing the same output worth US$1,000 is, however, higher at US$510.80,” the report said.

The report highlighted that this trend was particularly evident in the wholesale, retail, food and beverage (F&B) and accommodation industries, that in total make up 19% of economic activity and 27% of total employment.

It identified such industries as being labour intensive and low-skilled worker dependent, and that the reason for the disparity in wages was due to workers in such sectors having lower bargaining power, on the back of the prevalence of low-skilled –workers, including foreign workers.

As part of methods to address the issue, the central bank highlighted the urgent need to generate higher demand for quality labour, through the creation of high-skilled jobs.

“In this regard, it is vital to attract new quality investments from both foreign and domestic firms, pivoting away from the low-cost business model. Among existing firms, this can be generated through automation and moving up the value-chain, with higher reliance on knowledge and technology. Doing so requires coherent investment policies, which likely involves reviewing and enhancing existing investment incentives” said the report.

It also said it was critical to reduce the mismatch between labour demand and supply, with policies proposals including the reduction of labour recruitment costs and skill mismatches, as well as increasing the existing workforce.

“The proposed addition of one-stop job centres at Urban Transformation Centres (UTCs) and Rural Transformation Centres (RTCs)23 is a welcome development and could be further supported by linking them with existing career services in higher education institutions,” said the report.

It also highlighted that the relationship between wages and productivity must be reinforced so that wage earners receive wages that are commensurate with their respective productivity and growth, as advocated through the Productivity Linked Wage System (PLWS) — with its 10.8 million or 72% of Malaysian workers not under the scheme as of August 2018.

It also noted that labour market legislation needed to be addressed, with the possibility for the allowance of the freedom of association and the elimination of forced labour and discrimination on the cards as the last time the Industrial Relations Act was revised was in 1976.
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the report refers to those who's not suppose to take a degree and graduated,but still put thru the university program in order to reach certain kpi so we hv "many of graduate".

majority of them can put thru vocational school, technical school, instead of university, but they all ended being a graduate thru lower quality government university or even some private college or university who give them the diploma / degree which worth nothing.

it is not malaysia do not have enough highly skill jobs for them, it is they don't hv the highly skill to take the jobs, even for fresh graduate. some can't even speak good english. (though a lot of jobs may not required).

End result of putting mass student to come out fr university. If you are graduate with good grade and with professional skill, i don't think u can't find jobs, like what the rest posted, programmer is highly sought after as every where lack programmers, but we hv computers / IT student, who can't really program, or which no one wanna higher.
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QUOTE(hiro2016 @ May 29 2019, 10:00 AM)
If you want high chances of landing a job, go find out what is needed in the job market, then study the correct field.. how la.. if you study some skills that is not needed in the field..? competition is going to be higher, and yea fresh grads will have disadvantage compared to experienced guys...
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“To illustrate this point, if a Malaysian worker produces output worth US$1,000, the worker will be paid US$340 for it. The corresponding wage received by a worker in benchmark economies for producing the same output worth US$1,000 is, however, higher at US$510.80,” the report said.

https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/mala...enough-bnm-says
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Employer are too stingy.. 2.4k unrealistic? Wait till your son or daughter graduated and into the work space
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All argue about no job, pay is too low.

The problem is we have no big capital, no company to sustain high pay, it put it simply our people/employees are competitive but our companies and economy isn't competitive in the global arena.
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All argue about no job, pay is too low.

The problem is we have no big capital, no company to sustain high pay, it put it simply our people/employees are competitive but our companies and economy isn't competitive in the global arena.
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freelance translator jobs kan banyak

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https://www.theedgemarkets.com/article/mala...enough-bnm-says

KUALA LUMPUR (March 27): Malaysians are not being paid enough for the level of productivity they are producing, with many of the country’s workers underpaid, said Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM).

According to the central bank’s 2018 annual report, Malaysian workers are paid less than their other regional peers, such as those in Singapore and South Korea.

“To illustrate this point, if a Malaysian worker produces output worth US$1,000, the worker will be paid US$340 for it. The corresponding wage received by a worker in benchmark economies for producing the same output worth US$1,000 is, however, higher at US$510.80,” the report said.

The report highlighted that this trend was particularly evident in the wholesale, retail, food and beverage (F&B) and accommodation industries, that in total make up 19% of economic activity and 27% of total employment.

It identified such industries as being labour intensive and low-skilled worker dependent, and that the reason for the disparity in wages was due to workers in such sectors having lower bargaining power, on the back of the prevalence of low-skilled –workers, including foreign workers.

As part of methods to address the issue, the central bank highlighted the urgent need to generate higher demand for quality labour, through the creation of high-skilled jobs.

“In this regard, it is vital to attract new quality investments from both foreign and domestic firms, pivoting away from the low-cost business model. Among existing firms, this can be generated through automation and moving up the value-chain, with higher reliance on knowledge and technology. Doing so requires coherent investment policies, which likely involves reviewing and enhancing existing investment incentives” said the report.

It also said it was critical to reduce the mismatch between labour demand and supply, with policies proposals including the reduction of labour recruitment costs and skill mismatches, as well as increasing the existing workforce. 

“The proposed addition of one-stop job centres at Urban Transformation Centres (UTCs) and Rural Transformation Centres (RTCs)23 is a welcome development and could be further supported by linking them with existing career services in higher education institutions,” said the report.

It also highlighted that the relationship between wages and productivity must be reinforced so that wage earners receive wages that are commensurate with their respective productivity and growth, as advocated through the Productivity Linked Wage System (PLWS) — with its 10.8 million or 72% of Malaysian workers not under the scheme as of August 2018.

It also noted that labour market legislation needed to be addressed, with the possibility for the allowance of the freedom of association and the elimination of forced labour and discrimination on the cards as the last time the Industrial Relations Act was revised was in 1976.
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I'm curious what the definition of output. Is it revenue or operating income?
I can produce 1000usd worth of product with a profit margin of 40%
or
I can produce 1000usd worth of product with a profit margin of 5%.


Both produces the same amount of revenue, but 1 has higher value.


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So... you spend 3-4 years in school, but after coming out to work they tell you that you need "experience".

What if people who want to work skip college and head straight to join the workforce to gain "experience"? Oh wait, they can't. Employers want to see proper qualifications.

So how?
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"There's a lot of stereotyping by employers who are looking to hire from a certain ethnic group only and generalising that overseas graduates are better than local graduates."

This is true. I do that too.
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graduates had asked for unrealistic wages of between RM2,400 and RM3,000 a month.

RM 2.4k unrealistic? That is RM 400 less that i used to get as fresh grad in 2003


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yet another thread/news about fresh grad but company expect working experience

baru fresh grad, working experience dari mana? laugh.gif
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The question is why is there a stereotype ?
Why do people have that perception ?

Do you blame people for having stereotypes or do you blame the people for giving these employers the stereotypes.



If an employer listening to the news that certain group of people are demanding for tongkat to enter university, can you blame the employers for thinking that these people are just not as good?
Remember that these people themselves are proving that the stereotype is accurate.

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I remember a hedge fund manager friend in UK telling me the only reason Malaysia economy is running is because of cheap labour relative to accessibility to resources.
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"There's a lot of stereotyping by employers who are looking to hire from a certain ethnic group only and generalising that overseas graduates are better than local graduates."

This is true. I do that too.
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In what sense they are good compared local grads?
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I remember a hedge fund manager friend in UK telling me the only reason Malaysia economy is running is because of cheap labour relative to accessibility to resources.
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Wow... that’s quite sad to hear sad.gif
It means we will never get out of the middle income trap
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rm falling ppl say low wage realistic

cb biz ppl
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In what sense they are good compared local grads?
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You do realise that decision making are 90% emotion instead of technicalities, right? If they "feel" overseas graduate are better, that's more than enough to tilt the favour

Also, if HR wants to screen through fresh grad applications, i'm sure they'll prioritise those from top universities (which are always from overseas)... so another question is whether this local grads made it across the screening process.

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QUOTE(HuorEarfalas @ May 29 2019, 11:04 AM)
You do realise that decision making are 90% emotion instead of technicalities, right? If they "feel" overseas graduate are better, that's more than enough to tilt the favour

Also, if HR wants to screen through fresh grad applications, i'm sure they'll prioritise those from top universities (which are always from overseas)... so another question is whether this local grads made it across the screening process.
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Cb 2.4 unrealistic?

My overseas friends laughed when i told them i earn arnd 1k usd per month

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there are plenty of job in the work force, some even with high salary but the graduate now all want sit at office, all want easy job no stress and go back on time..!!!! plus cannot marah must saying baru can..!!! no wonder our country is flooded with foreigner..!!!!!
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QUOTE(grixis @ May 29 2019, 09:26 AM)
wtf 3k unrealistic?

we're so right turning into PRC
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Top spenders as visitors in all countries.
Only malaysians laughing they are communist so have to be poor.
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There are basically too many graduates and not enough jobs.

When there is an oversupply, price goes down. That is why employers can offer low salaries.
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QUOTE(CertifiedHomphobe @ May 29 2019, 09:31 AM)
Absolute kek. Once got offered a part time job during my holidays in pavi and was told I could earn rm 2.2k if I wanted to. Imagine studying your ass off  5-6 years for a professional degree and employers say rm 2.4k was unrealistic. Really sad UG students like me seeing this. Yikes.
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i got offered 2.3 for part time software dev. rasa i macam bodo jer if i dont demand higher hmm.gif
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better jump plane to another countries for find jobs...
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wtf 3k unrealistic?

we're so right turning into PRC
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Apa maksud PRC?

PRC courier guy can make rm6000 easily.



Apa PRC you were saying?
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In what sense they are good compared local grads?
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For one English.

Next, they seem to know their qualified subject matter better than local grads. Local grads are like a good one in every 100.
The ratio is much better for foreign grads. Therefore, its easier for my HR dept to manage by sifting out the local applicants.
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QUOTE(Teddysaur @ May 29 2019, 09:33 AM)
Wow now i takut.
I lagilah 27 yo no exp and only want to do degree in linguistics.

I hope i success go overseas study insyallah

Cibai employers lowball people all the time
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QUOTE(Jon_123 @ May 29 2019, 11:12 AM)
there are plenty of job in the work force, some even with high salary but the graduate now all want sit at office, all want easy job no stress and go back on time..!!!! plus cannot marah must saying baru can..!!! no wonder our country is flooded with foreigner..!!!!!
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Little do they know that work at office is damn stressful unless you are kerani job type droning and waiting for orders from higher up. Any resemblance of professional work in office type environment is stressful IMO
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Bising je lebih, kerja dulu lah prove ur worth baru boleh naik
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how to kerja if company tak approve biggrin.gif
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There are basically too many graduates and not enough jobs.

When there is an oversupply, price goes down. That is why employers can offer low salaries.
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im generalising

but I find those that reaallllly hard to find job are those "art" degrees

- music
- linguistic
- language
- history


u ambik the generic ones (engineering/accounting etc) impossible to not get job imo
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Lol. reminds me of my cousin. Degree and a masters in engineering in UK with another cert in business. Starting salary lowballed to 2.3k because "no experience, internship doesn't count".

Uncle told him to tell the employer that he will sponsor the employer's children to study in a local uni. After they graduate, come work for my uncle for 2.3k.

Best response ever rclxms.gif
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2.4k unrealistic means this articles is sponsored by employers 1
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QUOTE(JeremyLord @ May 29 2019, 09:25 AM)
Kek 2.4k unrealistic?
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QUOTE(prody @ May 29 2019, 11:17 AM)
There are basically too many graduates and not enough jobs.

When there is an oversupply, price goes down. That is why employers can offer low salaries.
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This is true. Its either Govt absorb (give emplyment), or limit family re-production. Haha


Every year got graduates.
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Every year also say same shit. Boring.
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Im same boat with u lel
No solution for this issue, so far. Either u work as underpaid kuli or die.
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Struggle to find high pay low commitment job.

Fixed.

Not no job, but choosy
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QUOTE(Timemuffin @ May 29 2019, 11:31 AM)
im generalising

but I find those that reaallllly hard to find job are those "art" degrees

- music
- linguistic
- language
- history
u ambik the generic ones (engineering/accounting etc) impossible to not get job imo
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Linguistic language still can work as English teacher, editor, journalist... But history and music... Kantoi... Music teacher lo
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anybody looking for a job here? I'm looking for a junior web developer. laugh.gif
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QUOTE(Timemuffin @ May 29 2019, 11:31 AM)
im generalising

but I find those that reaallllly hard to find job are those "art" degrees

- music
- linguistic
- language
- history
u ambik the generic ones (engineering/accounting etc) impossible to not get job imo
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Yeah, can get a job, but the salary is far too low for this type of job.
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QUOTE(oathless @ May 29 2019, 11:35 AM)
This is true. Its either Govt absorb (give emplyment), or limit family re-production. Haha
Every year got graduates.
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Other options:
1 Limit the number of graduates to improve quality
2 Somehow change the mindset of people about other jobs (long term process)
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QUOTE(LowKeras @ May 29 2019, 09:44 AM)
keluar uni, they think standard is

gaji min 20k
seat opit
wear branded
opit deco like mall or high keras cafe
bonus enough for them to go japan/europe trip x 2 ppl
increament like 10 to 20 %
promote within 2 years
kenot scold them, even wrong also you need to slow talk and sayang them
cannot rush them coz they are emotional
go home time must ontime or
work time must can watapps, wechat and www
this is the requirement i believe is true story
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Unfortunately, this is true....

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how to kerja if company tak approve  biggrin.gif
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Go with lower pay 1st,i think mostly are being choosy due to pay
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Who is looking for job? My company looking for Java Developer, 2.5k (Fresh Grad) and 3.6k (Experienced).

Also have other jobs, basic starting from 2.5k. SPM can apply also.

Just need English to be good.
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Go with lower pay 1st,i think mostly are being choosy due to pay
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but for me, if fresh grads (degree holder) demand around 2.5K should be okay right?

if lower than RM2k macam tak make sense hmm.gif
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Good to have this scenario. Price will go down, good ma.
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but for me, if fresh grads (degree holder) demand around 2.5K should be okay right?

if lower than RM2k macam tak make sense  hmm.gif
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Ya I think market ia around 2.5k cant be below 2k for degree
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linguistic nak kerja apa doh?
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Bising je lebih, kerja dulu lah prove ur worth baru boleh naik
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keluar uni, they think standard is

gaji min 20k
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but for me, if fresh grads (degree holder) demand around 2.5K should be okay right?

if lower than RM2k macam tak make sense  hmm.gif
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demand what your nearby friends are earning.
if not prepare to butthurt sad when you find out they all started with more pay for less work than u.
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Fresh grad if they study hard in university, get very good cgpa, close to 4, are impossible to get a job. Every company wants good quality fresh grad, because good quality fresh grads are easier to train and are more likely to perform well in the job.
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2.4k is high then gg

Deswai lots of graduate rather do full time food dispatch like grab food and food panda. Full time can get 4k.

We become like those failed socialist countries where doctors and engineer grad rather works at restaurant than their degree job
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QUOTE(Hobbez @ May 29 2019, 11:45 AM)
Unfortunately, this is true....
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Wow... This macam experienced employer.
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QUOTE(Imp Bron @ May 29 2019, 11:56 AM)
2.4k is high then gg

Deswai lots of graduate rather do full time food dispatch like grab food and food panda. Full time can get 4k.

We become like those failed socialist countries where doctors and engineer grad rather works at restaurant than their degree job
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Freshie nowadays asked RM 2.4k till RM 3k

Back then unker asked RM1.8k n got RM 1.5k je
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QUOTE(alien0110 @ May 29 2019, 11:55 AM)
Fresh grad if they study hard in university, get very good cgpa, close to 4, are impossible to get a job. Every company wants good quality fresh grad, because good quality fresh grads are easier to train and are more likely to perform well in the job.
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Cgpa 2 nvm, as long as u utter the golden words

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We have quantity of graduates but not quality.

Actually, this phenomenon is happening worldwide lar. America, Britain, etc. all have too many graduates.

I hope great motherland China can implement a vocational school system like the great Deutschland Germany; people who are good with their hands and technical abilities should enter these schools and become craftsmen / women and producers instead of all just looking to sit in desk-job. But that's just my thought lar.
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QUOTE(maximR @ May 29 2019, 10:17 AM)
So... you spend 3-4 years in school, but after coming out to work they tell you that you need "experience".

What if people who want to work skip college and head straight to join the workforce to gain "experience"? Oh wait, they can't. Employers want to see proper qualifications.

So how?
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So both lo. Study part time, work full time.

Or study full time, work part time.

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QUOTE(Spectreoutreach @ May 29 2019, 09:18 AM)
Malaysian millennials like Shephanie Kuan are discovering that a university degree alone is not sufficient to land them a job. Experience, prospective employers have been telling her, matters as well.

Ms Kuan, a 24-year-old linguistics graduate from Penang, has found herself in a Catch-22 situation since graduating last August.

"Yes, I don't have enough experience but I can make it if the companies give me a chance," said Ms Kuan, who studied in a local college.

Malaysian youth want to be given a chance, but the job market is lean. The country's central bank - Bank Negara Malaysia (BNM) - said between 2010 and 2017, the number of tertiary graduates entering the workforce surpassed the number of jobs created for them.

In its annual report published in March, it said that on average, 173,457 diploma and degree graduates entered the workforce annually over that period.

But only 98,514 high-skilled jobs were created over that time.

"This suggests that the economy has not created sufficient high-skilled jobs to absorb the number of graduates entering the labour force," BNM said in its report.

173.5k Average number of diploma and degree graduates entering the Malaysian workforce annually.

98.5k Average number of high-skilled jobs created in the country each year.


Employers complain about the quality of fresh graduates and their unrealistic salary demands. Two-thirds of employers in a survey said that graduates asked for unrealistic wages of between RM2,400 and RM3,000 a month.

The job deficit has exacerbated Malaysia's already high youth unemployment rate of 13.2 per cent in 2017, which was three times the national unemployment rate. The unemployment rate for youth - aged between 15 and 24 - has been hitting double digits since 2012. It was 10.6 per cent in 2016.

"The high unemployment rate among youth is partly due to the lack of job experience and insufficient skills or education to compete in the labour market," the Finance Ministry said in its annual economic report published last November.

The ministry noted that most of the jobs created in 2018 were in the unskilled and low-skilled category.

The persistent high youth unemployment rate is giving Malaysia's one-year-old government another headache as it grapples with legacy issues left by the previous administration, while at the same time tackling a slowing global economy and the worsening United States-China trade war.

The Pakatan Harapan (PH) coalition took over from Barisan Nasional with the help of widespread support from young people, but the government of Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad is now facing declining support from this group.

Market research company Kajidata reported that overall confidence in PH among those in their 20s slid by 16.4 points by the end of last year, just months after the May election.

Young people who do find work are hit by another whammy.

"After adjusting for inflation, real starting monthly salaries for most fresh graduates have declined since 2010," BNM said.
Those with a master's degree saw their real income fall from RM2,923 (S$960) in 2010 to RM2,707 in 2018, while diploma holders' real income shrank from RM1,458 to RM1,376 over the same period.

The central bank's calculations took into account annual inflation.

To start with, many graduates are just hoping for a job interview.

"Employers care more about what they see in the resume than face-to-face interaction," said 23-year-old accounting diploma holder Lydia Wester.

"I get told that employers prefer degree holders. It's either that or they want someone with at least two years' work experience."

Employers, meanwhile, complain about the quality of fresh graduates and their unrealistic salary demands. Two-thirds of employers who took part in a 2017 JobStreet survey said graduates had asked for unrealistic wages of between RM2,400 and RM3,000 a month.

But a Khazanah Research Institute (KRI) report published last December found that fresh graduates were not choosy about jobs and did not ask for high salaries.

The report noted that when compared against the government-mandated monthly minimum wage of RM1,100 - meant to aid the working poor and low-skilled - what young people with tertiary education are asking for "does not seem unrealistic".


"Results suggest that young women and men cannot be considered choosy when most in unskilled and low-skilled jobs are 'over-educated' and their current jobs are not related to their level or field of education," the institute said.

Ms Kuan, who has been job-hunting for the past two months after a six-month internship ended in February, said: "There's a lot of stereotyping by employers who are looking to hire from a certain ethnic group only and generalising that overseas graduates are better than local graduates."

Some young people have turned to the gig economy. The Employees Provident Fund found that in 2017, the gig economy grew by 31 per cent over the year, faster than the traditional job market.

In its report, the KRI noted that one-third of young workers are turning to non-standard employment, including freelancing, which it said offers limited access to labour and social protection.

But it pays the bills, said Ms Chow Qian. After graduating with a music degree, the 22-year-old from Sabah has been working as a part-time music teacher during the day and performing in a band at night.

"A full-time job gives you a stable income but freelancing gives me the freedom to do what I want. I'm luckier compared with my classmates who are just starting out and don't know anyone in the industry," she said.

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/se-asia/f...obox=1559009570
TLDR : the brain drain continue  sad.gif
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Do your Diploma first...work and gain experience...then do your degree...work and gain experience...then do your masters...

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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ May 29 2019, 11:58 AM)
We have quantity of graduates but not quality.

Actually, this phenomenon is happening worldwide lar. America, Britain, etc. all have too many graduates.

I hope great motherland China can implement a vocational school system like the great Deutschland Germany; people who are good with their hands and technical abilities should enter these schools and become craftsmen / women and producers instead of all just looking to sit in desk-job. But that's just my thought lar.
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Couldn't agree more, I heard those countries to get degree is really strict. Not like here where everyone can get one even the one who shouldn't

And their technical school are really good, I'm really amaze by their craftsmanship and they also paid high
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QUOTE(LowKeras @ May 29 2019, 09:44 AM)
keluar uni, they think standard is

gaji min 20k
seat opit
wear branded
opit deco like mall or high keras cafe
bonus enough for them to go japan/europe trip x 2 ppl
increament like 10 to 20 %
promote within 2 years
kenot scold them, even wrong also you need to slow talk and sayang them
cannot rush them coz they are emotional
go home time must ontime or
work time must can watapps, wechat and www
this is the requirement i believe is true story
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Speaking based on your personal clouded judgement.

I'm Gen Y and with BSC (HONS) Business Management Degree from a well known Uni,

My starting pay is RM2200. Didnt ask much, what say you? Your words doesnt represent the wide population.
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too many graduates, higher education has been watered down to allow more students to graduate, degree graduates nowadays are not as they used to.

and employer take this advantage to give lower salary

and will go on till the end of time
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QUOTE(alexkos @ May 29 2019, 11:58 AM)
Cgpa 2 nvm, as long as u utter the golden words

'I am willing to learn`
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If you got cpga 2 means you are not good in learning, even if you willing to learn, you are not likely to learn quickly and get the job done. So you will not be hired unless nobody else apply the job.
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QUOTE(destiny6 @ May 29 2019, 09:26 AM)
MCD, KFC, and many more hiring, complaining short of staffs
Slapped in benefits, free meal, career advancement nobody bat an eye lol
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this is very true. I mean, start from bottom. If you have the skill, will go up really really fast.
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After such reports then JPA got mass hiring. Yyyeeeayyyy!!!!

Mahathir no balls to stop it.
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too many fresh graduates in /k all see salary above 20k. cannot accept 3k job
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QUOTE(alexkos @ May 29 2019, 11:58 AM)
Cgpa 2 nvm, as long as u utter the golden words

'I am willing to learn`
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Or if you are an Ap3K so get job easy one...
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QUOTE(JZenith @ May 29 2019, 12:09 PM)
too many fresh graduates in /k all see salary above 20k. cannot accept 3k job
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Two-thirds of employers who took part in a 2017 JobStreet survey said graduates had asked for unrealistic wages of between RM2,400 and RM3,000 a month.

But a Khazanah Research Institute (KRI) report published last December found that fresh graduates were not choosy about jobs and did not ask for high salaries.

The report noted that when compared against the government-mandated monthly minimum wage of RM1,100 - meant to aid the working poor and low-skilled - what young people with tertiary education are asking for "does not seem unrealistic".
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Nowadays if u wanna high income, u need to work for two job, or extra part time. Expecting to get a high paid in single job is very hard.
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Its the employers market, what to do?
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Both side got issue also.

From employer/company side want candidate with experience but don't want to pay much. It is fresh grad, what experience you are talking. Want experience people, pay for experience people level. Some of these employer actually lazy to train people.

From fresh grad side, some of them has high expectation but they never check on how is their quality. Want this and that but speaking gagap2, cannot do work without people spoonfeeding every single stuff. Don't have common sense. There are many who are really good but they are also many not up to even the average expectation.
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QUOTE(limfreelance @ May 29 2019, 12:11 PM)
Nowadays if u wanna high income, u need to work for two job, or extra part time. Expecting to get a high paid in single job is very hard.
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I think the major problem is underpaid to a point salary cannot sustain themselves. Getting a job is different set of problem
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supply and demand

ptptn need to cut back, those unworthy to study Uni should get ignored.
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QUOTE(JeremyLord @ May 29 2019, 09:25 AM)
Kek 2.4k unrealistic?
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where got realilstic?
fine dining so that can kuda social media
cuti cuti Jepun Eropa Murika every 6 months
at least brand new god car
brand new ipong every year
etc. etc.

mana cukup?

edit: oh yeah, lupa nak beli rumah semi-D lagi

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QUOTE(kiasunkiasi @ May 29 2019, 12:24 PM)
where got realilstic?
fine dining so that can kuda social media
cuti cuti Jepun Eropa Murika every 6 months
at least brand new god car
brand new ipong every year
etc. etc.

mana cukup?

edit: oh yeah, lupa nak beli rumah semi-D lagi
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I think you referring those fellas from Rich class ...these graduate are from working and middle class
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Take up the job offer or we just hire foreigner , you know the seaside hospital group hire thai / philippines etc, using major holidays in malaysia as their shitty excuse right ?

Less than rm 2k take home for nurse fresh grad (bachelor degree)
The matahariway hospital offer less than 3k for 4 years experience nurse


in msia the way is to do mlm , or money game / online scam cheat people, seldom get caught also.
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Too many red-tape, and lazy plp country! MNCs move to Vietnam and Thailand already! Too late!

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QUOTE(ycs @ May 29 2019, 09:55 AM)
sadly, all want high pay to cover rising living costs; but can they produce/justify 2X their annual salary
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That is the sales team's job. As a draftsman, I deliver any work that are handed to me within the time frame given. Over the years I have improved and making lesser and lesser mistakes compared to when I started. I am not responsible if the sales team fails to give me things to do.

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1. Msia not creating enuf jobs

2. Msia churning out low quality "graduates"

3. As in life, when supply outstrips demand, we compete.

4. In school you get tongkat, in job market... well you still get tongkat but less obvious. So suck it up.
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QUOTE(TheBornLoser @ May 29 2019, 11:58 AM)
We have quantity of graduates but not quality.

Actually, this phenomenon is happening worldwide lar. America, Britain, etc. all have too many graduates.

I hope great motherland China can implement a vocational school system like the great Deutschland Germany; people who are good with their hands and technical abilities should enter these schools and become craftsmen / women and producers instead of all just looking to sit in desk-job. But that's just my thought lar.
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Great idea!

Email: www.stats.gov.cn
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post May 29 2019, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(prophetjul @ May 29 2019, 11:23 AM)
For one English.

Next, they seem to know their qualified subject matter better than local grads. Local grads are like a good one in every 100.
The ratio is much better for foreign grads. Therefore, its easier for my HR dept to manage by sifting out the local applicants.
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your company is really gg.com for local grad then
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Can always start with a sales job.
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my office nearby 99 speed mart aready 4 month need worker.but no 1 cum apply
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QUOTE(pundi @ May 29 2019, 12:53 PM)
my office nearby 99 speed mart aready 4 month need worker.but no 1 cum apply
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Salary too Low lo
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QUOTE(James1983 @ May 29 2019, 12:54 PM)
Salary too Low lo
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see.choosy ni.
mana tau nanti jadi managez
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QUOTE(pundi @ May 29 2019, 12:55 PM)
see.choosy ni.
mana tau nanti jadi managez
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But but... graduate with uni degree work in Speedmart sad.gif
Who wants o
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QUOTE(James1983 @ May 29 2019, 12:56 PM)
But but... graduate with uni degree work in Speedmart sad.gif
Who wants o
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can apply store manager etc.
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QUOTE(pundi @ May 29 2019, 12:57 PM)
can apply store manager etc.
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Too Low-keras
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So I guess the employers expect the fresh grads to have 10 year work experience but being essentially slaves?
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QUOTE(littlegamer @ May 29 2019, 09:29 AM)
2.4k, unrealistic. What?
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QUOTE(pundi @ May 29 2019, 12:53 PM)
my office nearby 99 speed mart aready 4 month need worker.but no 1 cum apply
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Hr got so many candidate till jam
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Most ppl conveniently forgot that msia is a third world country. Most of stuffs runs on USD and after convert2 our salary is shit to start with. 2k 3k 4k 5k all also underpay by international standards. We are brought up to be pampered expecting spoonfeed all the way with expectation of glamorous jobs nice office nice titles etc. Look at other 3rd worlds like pinoys indons Thai Vietnam Indians they work for survival. Our mindset is work for quality life which our economy and intelligence don't support to begin with.
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QUOTE(feekle @ May 29 2019, 10:31 AM)
In what sense they are good compared local grads?
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i taught in a few local universities for several years. standard observation: syllabus is exactly the same as in overseas universities (where i studied), but during actual teaching there is lack of depth / real understanding. in the end graduates know just enough to "talk" on the subject, but not to do anything useful with it.

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3D jobs
potong rumput
delivery truck/bike
farming
handyman/repairman
small bisnes
etc

No job pulak.

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QUOTE(RGRaj @ May 29 2019, 02:20 PM)
3D jobs
potong rumput
delivery truck/bike
farming
handyman/repairman
small bisnes
etc

No job pulak.
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3D jobs
potong rumput - all tendered out to kroni company already
delivery truck/bike - friday not available ( i also balik awal tongue.gif )
farming - no more yearly aid from PHancing
handyman/repairman - all monopoly by local and foreign communist
small bisnes - all monopoly by local and foreign communist

br1m mana br1m?

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Funneh.. some millenials even didnt show up at their 1st day of the job..

why its difficult for them to find jobs?
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those studied in religious school one..come out work can earn 3k anot
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QUOTE(arturo_bandini @ May 29 2019, 01:53 PM)
i taught in a few local universities for several years. standard observation: syllabus is exactly the same as in overseas universities (where i studied), but during actual teaching there is lack of depth / real understanding. in the end graduates know just enough to "talk" on the subject, but not to do anything useful with it.
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Does the industry work scope is allowing or require them to apply what they actually learned in uni?
For example, u study engineering, those shear force diagram, bending moment diagram, finite element analysis, calculus etc.
But..when you work, for those who work in the client side, your main scope is to ensure the project is completed in time & within budget.

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QUOTE(GHBZDK @ May 29 2019, 11:19 AM)
base ke.
i got offered 2.3 for part time software dev. rasa i macam bodo jer if i dont demand higher  hmm.gif
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Hours as if working full time ot already. Very grindy, morning till night. But was told can earn more if can work during festive seasons.
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Depends on what graduate you are. Now there is demand picking up in O&G sector
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QUOTE(Higgsboson8888 @ May 29 2019, 09:34 AM)
In KL programmers (freshie) are having median salary of RM 3.2k. Meanwhile my friend in China are earning RM 7-8k, that's their base salary.
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They're expats tho so ofc their start salary high.Compare median salary in Kl to Shenzhen,KL is higher.Despite Shenzhen being more expensive to live
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QUOTE(JeremyLord @ May 29 2019, 09:25 AM)
Kek 2.4k unrealistic?
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Depends on what profession & skills. If normal business admin in MBA with skills that can't match experienced staff, that is too much for fresh grads.
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I fresh grad get rm2800 sit office gonyang kaki
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Still got many opportunities. Just need to know how to look and stay ahead of your competitors.

Tu la ... with PTPTN, every dog and kucing can get degree. With so much PTPTN money floating around , many substandard institution mushroom and generate substandard graduates.

A lot of graduates can't even hold a proper conversation about the field they are applying for.
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Dont know how u guys survive on salary. My monthly commitment only already rm10k
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Nowadays want to earn a good pay better learn a vocational trade. If you take paper degree don't take all the "easy" degrees. Take something more marketable
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QUOTE(Teddysaur @ May 29 2019, 09:33 AM)
Wow now i takut.
I lagilah 27 yo no exp and only want to do degree in linguistics.

I hope i success go overseas study insyallah

Cibai employers lowball people all the time
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msian employers all cinamen attitude
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I think this is not an employers problem.

Look at it this way, our local universities, be it private or public are not on par with world standards, some are even set up to profit only. UM, USM, UKM, UTM are pretty decent. Nottingham, Monash, Sunway, are pretty decent. The rest are all basically degree mill in a way.

Coupled with overseas graduates who are competing with these local grads, of course there will be over supply.

Also, our economy is not exactly prosperous and attractive to FDI. So, the growth of high value jobs are slower. Most low value jobs are low paid.

Seems like any tom dick harry can enter uni now, especially private unis...and some public unis (UiTM). You cant increase high value jobs growth, but u can reduce supply of fresh graduates..



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pity the bumis really.........could this be a result of ketuanan policy?

Those chinese can move to SG, HK ot China to work, where can malay speaking bumis go?
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I have a friend, ACCA , 1st job only 2.5k ok. But in less than 3.5 years time , now basic more than 6k already exclusive allowance.
So it's ok to start low once u have experience , u can keep jumping. She jumped 3 companies in 3 years to almost triple her pay

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I feel the main problem with grads nowadays is that they are not willing to learn. Once graduated expected to stop using brain.

I am in engineering/sales industry. Back then when don't understand anything first thing is surf Google/Wikipedia and tackle the problem like wiring a thesis white paper. Grad nowadays are content with just asking you for the solution and I was like dude... the info you need is right there in the catalog.. don't tell me you didn't read catalog before pitching sales?

We are a small semi-chinaman company willing to hire even freshies at a reasonable pay (none of the 2.2k or 3k nonsense) but comon la in the end business is about P&L. + is +, - is - no matter how you sugarcoat it.

So jobseekers, don't give up! Employers like us exists.

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I have a friend, ACCA , 1st job only 2.5k ok. But in less than 3.5 years time , now basic more than 6k already exclusive allowance.
So it's ok to start low once u have experience , u can keep jumping. She jumped 3 companies in 3 years to almost triple her pay
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Now better go diploma level first or go for prof cert like ACCA or CIMA..

use that cert to land your first job.gain some experience then take night class / weekend long distance learning for degree..

once finish degree u have complete package already..will have a better chance than FG

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Now better go diploma level first or go for prof cert like ACCA or CIMA..

use that cert to land your first job.gain some experience then take night class / weekend long distance learning for degree..

once finish degree u have complete package already..will have a better chance than FG
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....I add one more to your advice.

Ensure the course you take is 'specialised' diploma/degree if you aim to work at PETRONAS, civil service or any government GLC etc. Check MQA for it. If your diploma is "general" diploma instead of 'specialised' diploma, you can kiss goodbye to those government based/linked job vacancy.

Otherwise, the only way to enter goverment sector is to get professional cert such as ACCA,MIA,CIMA or engineering board equivalent. ranting.gif
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I have a friend, ACCA , 1st job only 2.5k ok. But in less than 3.5 years time , now basic more than 6k already exclusive allowance.
So it's ok to start low once u have experience , u can keep jumping. She jumped 3 companies in 3 years to almost triple her pay
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I have a friend, ACCA , 1st job only 2.5k ok. But in less than 3.5 years time , now basic more than 6k already exclusive allowance.
So it's ok to start low once u have experience , u can keep jumping. She jumped 3 companies in 3 years to almost triple her pay
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I'm interested to know who wants to hire someone who only work 1 year ESPECIALLY in accounting industry.

Accounting industry looks heavily on years of experience. It is unlike those creative jobs where you somehow can excel without years of exposure. Accountants become valuable overtime because of the exposure overtime, it is not something you can learn overnight. Moreover, where you work is also important (i.e. Big 4) but I doubt your friend is working in big four if she changed 3 jobs in 3 years.

I highly doubt 3 years worth of experience (scattered experience some more) presumably not from big four could even have any sort of demand.

So either you friend is Bullshitting you or your friend rigged her resume.
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APPLY CONStruction industry la, job damn a lot, see u want work or not only, with cert can simply get a job there if u dun mind kuli
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I'm interested to know who wants to hire someone who only work 1 year ESPECIALLY in accounting industry.

Accounting industry looks heavily on years of experience. It is unlike those creative jobs where you somehow can excel without years of exposure. Accountants become valuable overtime because of the exposure overtime, it is not something you can learn overnight. Moreover, where you work is also important (i.e. Big 4) but I doubt your friend is working in big four if she changed 3 jobs in 3 years.

I highly doubt 3 years worth of experience (scattered experience some more) presumably not from big four could even have any sort of demand.

So either you friend is Bullshitting you or your friend rigged her resume.
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I'm interested to know who wants to hire someone who only work 1 year ESPECIALLY in accounting industry.

Accounting industry looks heavily on years of experience. It is unlike those creative jobs where you somehow can excel without years of exposure. Accountants become valuable overtime because of the exposure overtime, it is not something you can learn overnight. Moreover, where you work is also important (i.e. Big 4) but I doubt your friend is working in big four if she changed 3 jobs in 3 years.

I highly doubt 3 years worth of experience (scattered experience some more) presumably not from big four could even have any sort of demand.

So either you friend is Bullshitting you or your friend rigged her resume.
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She is not in auditing. She is now in MNC . Are u trying to say nobody will wanna hire ACCA with 1 year experience anywhere else?
So basically ACCA will not get hired?
Didn't I just say starting with 2.5k. What are you on about mate
1st job was shit. 2.5k. 2nd job still shit , sub 3k. 3rd job big MNC 3k plus. But after 1.5 years promoted and pay rise comes. That's the huge jump. From 3k plus to 6k plus after she handled a new regional account. Basically nobody wanted that account and she took. Lotsa tears, stayed up till 2am to video conference with overseas, next day work again. Anyway as they are not even doing Malaysian accounts, doing overseas accounts in USD , 6k is nothing compared to if they hired ppl to do in EU or US

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QUOTE(Timemuffin @ May 29 2019, 11:31 AM)
im generalising

but I find those that reaallllly hard to find job are those "art" degrees

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u ambik the generic ones (engineering/accounting etc) impossible to not get job imo
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After comparing myself with my friends with specialized degree eg finance etc. I can say life will be harder for you by 30%

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So many jobs available she just have the wrong degree and experience. I'm talking about white collar job. For other job is plenty ,KFC,Watson, etc but I guess that is last choice.
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She is not in auditing. She is now in MNC . Are u trying to say nobody will wanna hire ACCA with 1 year experience anywhere else?
So basically ACCA will not get hired?
Didn't I just say starting with 2.5k. What are you on about mate
1st job was shit. 2.5k. 2nd job still shit , sub 3k. 3rd job big MNC 3k plus. But after 1.5 years promoted and pay rise comes. That's the huge jump. From 3k plus to 6k plus after she handled a new regional account. Basically nobody wanted that account and she took. Lotsa tears, stayed up till 2am to video conference with overseas, next day work again. Anyway as they are not even doing Malaysian accounts, doing overseas accounts in USD , 6k is nothing compared to if they hired ppl to do in EU or US
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No one says it is impossible to get high pay at a short time. Just look at the possibility ive listed.

The problem here is People dont just out of the blue give you 100% pay jump. There is no such thing as nobody wanted to do job especially with a huge package. The only issue is are there people capable of doing it. Doing overseas account means she is doing shared servicr. shared service or shift job doesnt mean high salary. it just different time zone of servicing. long hours doesnt mean a thing in accounting or audit in malaysia because it is very common especially in big 4.

again i am not saying what your friend achieve is impossible but please stop believing in bullshit that out of the blue some people with little experience got a big jump. there may be other factors but it is definitely not the bushit youve just said cause what youve just said is the typical chui sui story..
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So many jobs available she just have the wrong degree and experience. I'm talking about white collar job. For other job is plenty ,KFC,Watson, etc but I guess that is last choice.
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Wow now i takut.
I lagilah 27 yo no exp and only want to do degree in linguistics.

I hope i success go overseas study insyallah

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3k unrealistic ? I got 3.3k as fresh grad. This news smoking what high level weed?
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No one says it is impossible to get high pay at a short time. Just look at the possibility ive listed.

The problem here is People dont just out of the blue give you 100% pay jump. There is no such thing as nobody wanted to do job especially with a huge package. The only issue is are there people capable of doing it. Doing overseas account means she is doing shared servicr. shared service or shift job doesnt mean high salary. it just different time zone of servicing. long hours doesnt mean a thing in accounting or audit in malaysia because it is very common  especially in big 4.

again i am not saying what your friend achieve is impossible but please stop believing in bullshit that out of the blue some people with little experience got a big jump. there may be other factors but it is definitely not the bushit youve just said cause what youve just said is the typical chui sui story..
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So u r telling me im bullshitting. It's a role change and u dun believe from a 3.8k jump to 6k is possible. Do u need proof?
How is 6k a huge package. I dun get it. She was underpaid previously just so u know

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3k unrealistic ? I got 3.3k as fresh grad. This news smoking what high level weed?
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ May 30 2019, 05:58 AM)
She is not in auditing. She is now in MNC . Are u trying to say nobody will wanna hire ACCA with 1 year experience anywhere else?
So basically ACCA will not get hired?
Didn't I just say starting with 2.5k. What are you on about mate
1st job was shit. 2.5k. 2nd job still shit , sub 3k. 3rd job big MNC 3k plus. But after 1.5 years promoted and pay rise comes. That's the huge jump. From 3k plus to 6k plus after she handled a new regional account. Basically nobody wanted that account and she took. Lotsa tears, stayed up till 2am to video conference with overseas, next day work again. Anyway as they are not even doing Malaysian accounts, doing overseas accounts in USD , 6k is nothing compared to if they hired ppl to do in EU or US
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3.5 years 6k... think pwc or ey already got this la.

3k + 1k per year.... provided you gets promoted which usually is the case..
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3.5 years 6k... think pwc or ey already got this la.

3k + 1k per year.... provided you gets promoted which usually is the case..
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Ya that's y but the person above me kept saying it's impossible. 6k is impossible. Actually her fren in audit big 4 some even more , same age but tougher life.
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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ May 30 2019, 10:05 AM)
Ya that's y but the person above me kept saying it's impossible. 6k is impossible. Actually her fren in audit big 4 some even more , same age but tougher life.
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can be tough but as you climb up it get easier.. or it gets routine.. can just go for tax or advisory (higher payout even) and not as busy...
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can be tough but as you climb up it get easier.. or it gets routine.. can just go for tax or advisory (higher payout even) and not as busy...
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Not me actually lol but someone I know. She die die dun wan dun audit lol. Really that tough?
Initially seems tough for her doing shared service mnc , overseas account but as the time goes on she macam damn chill but she mentioned got season or something in accounts. When busy closing , stay up then off peak just go office chill a bit.
N good thing is many things can do from home with VC.
U in this field as well?
But in accounts say she having acca other colleagues dun have, seems pay difference not that big also.

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ May 30 2019, 10:14 AM)
Not me actually lol but someone I know. She die die dun wan dun audit lol. Really that tough?
Initially seems tough for her doing shared service mnc , overseas account but as the time goes on she macam damn chill but she mentioned got season or something in accounts. When busy closing , stay up then off peak just go office chill a bit.
N good thing is many things can do from home with VC.
U in this field as well?
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cant vouch for audit... seems bearable. but the first 3 years will be tough la... after that from what i see seems okay.. i took the road less taken. i went for tax laugh.gif
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When you have people who can enter uni with shit SPM results (i mean with multiple Cs and Ds), what do you expect from the end result?

I get many "impressive" grads on CV but they can't articulate during interview, don't even know what they are applying and never do any homework before the interview. Come here just to waste both parties time. For fresh grad, I look into the passion, desire to learn and fire > what they know.

How am I going to hire? Luckily I work in a relatively big company and we still get decent candidates applying (maybe 10-20% at most), the rest CMI.

I am standing on employer side on this but we do pay more than the market rate.
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Nowadays degree is meaningless unless u can decorate your resume with some extra curricular activities uve done during college years.
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most interview i went to, they usually ask question related to my cert degree
hardly look at my curricular laugh.gif
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cant vouch for audit... seems bearable. but the first 3 years will be tough la... after that from what i see seems okay.. i took the road less taken. i went for tax  laugh.gif
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Im not in accounts ya she told me some went for tax. For hers she doing accounts for mnc overseas branch what route is that lol
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Im not in accounts ya she told me some went for tax. For hers she doing accounts for mnc overseas branch what route is that lol
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im thinking just routine accounting reporting for ur friend. typical job that auditors do after they completed the 3 years in a big 4 or so... prepare full sets of accounts and console. just that she doing it for other mnc at other countries
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So u r telling me im bullshitting. It's a role change and u dun believe from a 3.8k jump to 6k is possible. Do u need proof?
How is 6k a huge package. I dun get it. She was underpaid previously just so u know
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im not saying 90 or even 100% jump is impossible. i myself had 150% jump if you follow my story but that is because i have at least 15 years of exp before such thing was possible. i made my reputation in the industry.

3yrs of exp is still very junior.. let alone 3 yrs 3 company... what do you even have in your arsenal to demand for that jump? whivh company would out of the blue give 100% jump to someone who has no reputation and lack the years of exp? i might as well hire any tom dick and harry with acca.


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So u r telling me im bullshitting. It's a role change and u dun believe from a 3.8k jump to 6k is possible. Do u need proof?
How is 6k a huge package. I dun get it. She was underpaid previously just so u know
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im not saying 90 or even 100% jump is impossible. i myself had 150% jump if you follow my story but that is because i have at least 15 years of exp before such thing was possible. i made my reputation in the industry.

3yrs of exp is still very junior.. let alone 3 yrs 3 company... what do you even have in your arsenal to demand for that jump? whivh company would out of the blue give 100% jump to someone who has no reputation and lack the years of exp? i might as well hire any tom dick and harry with acca.


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post May 30 2019, 07:01 PM

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QUOTE(kkk8787 @ May 30 2019, 09:44 AM)
So u r telling me im bullshitting. It's a role change and u dun believe from a 3.8k jump to 6k is possible. Do u need proof?
How is 6k a huge package. I dun get it. She was underpaid previously just so u know
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im not saying 90 or even 100% jump is impossible. i myself had 150% jump if you follow my story but that is because i have at least 15 years of exp before such thing was possible. i made my reputation in the industry.

3yrs of exp is still very junior.. let alone 3 yrs 3 company... what do you even have in your arsenal to demand for that jump? whivh company would out of the blue give 100% jump to someone who has no reputation and lack the years of exp? i might as well hire any tom dick and harry with acca.



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