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mini orchard
post Oct 26 2022, 05:23 PM

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QUOTE(vinceleo @ Oct 26 2022, 05:19 PM)
MOT @ 700K because developer refuse to allow direct transfer?
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Direct seller. Property is 15 years old.

This post has been edited by mini orchard: Oct 26 2022, 05:24 PM
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post Oct 26 2022, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(Pac Lease @ Oct 26 2022, 04:57 PM)
market value is not determine by the bank but from register valuer. bank also will refer value provided by valuer. Also, bank was the party who provide loan to buyer. If borrower default the installment amount, then bank need to lelong their home. Sometimes is not easy for the bank to lelong the home.

As you can see, there is always auction property lelong in the market and the the price is way lower than market value.
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Yeah partially agree with you. Why Auction alway lower than market value? Because it have higher risk for the bidder/buyer. If Auction not ready cheaper than market value, then why people want to buy auction. But Auction Property sometime lower down the market value. cool2.gif Sometime i say sometime, auction property price bidding is even higher than market value. whistling.gif

wink.gif For default buyer house has been auction, bank will never losing so much, It the debt is too high, the defaulter will be sue bankruptcy, and defaulter will still pay back the money as long he is still alive.
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post Oct 26 2022, 05:44 PM

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The VPed property that instantly Lelong are the real bargains if you get a virgin unit at 30-50% of the selling price. Most market values of units that have recently VPed have decreased except for some blue chip areas.
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QUOTE(Rinth @ Oct 26 2022, 04:40 PM)
Market/Bank valuation needed because if borrower default the loan, when going to auction bank can recover most of the loan amount from auction itself.

EG market value 500k, so loan is 90% of 500k = 450k. if borrower default and lelong the property it should be sell off at around this price, example 400-450k range. bank can already recover most of the loan amount already from auction itself

Imagine like your scenario willing buyer willing seller, market value 500k but seller sell at 800k, and bank loan u 90% of 800k = 720k, when lelong sell at 400-450k, bank still have to wait for the borrower to pay back the balance of around 300k.
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wink.gif Yeah 300K (the debt) is hard to get back from defaulter (auction unit owner), bank will sue them bankruptcy, the debt will still slowly collect back via insolvency department and pay to bank is not it?

wink.gif not i want to rant about this matter lah, just feel like as property buyer sometime it pain right? haha
mini orchard
post Oct 26 2022, 06:12 PM

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Just concluded auction ...

De Cemara Setia Alam.

SnP 100k. Reserved Price 100k. Sold 178k.
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post Oct 26 2022, 06:42 PM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Oct 26 2022, 05:45 PM)
wink.gif Yeah 300K (the debt) is hard to get back from defaulter (auction unit owner), bank will sue them bankruptcy, the debt will still slowly collect back via insolvency department and pay to bank is not it?

wink.gif not i want to rant about this matter lah, just feel like as property buyer sometime it pain right? haha
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It hurts more for the lender. What sort of bank are you if you willingly lend an amount of money for collateral that is worth less than it. The onus is on developers not to be morons.

We’re in the position we’re in because dumb buyers then liquidated everything they had or hit up family for extra money to make developers gods and unaccountable. This needs to stop.

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vinceleo
post Oct 26 2022, 09:02 PM

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Mean the seller has not perfected the MOT all this while right? Or I missing something here

QUOTE(mini orchard @ Oct 26 2022, 05:23 PM)
Direct seller. Property is 15 years old.
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post Oct 26 2022, 09:11 PM

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QUOTE(vinceleo @ Oct 26 2022, 09:02 PM)
Mean the seller has not perfected the MOT all this while right? Or I missing something here
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MOT is based on SnP price of govt valuation, whichever higher. This is to avoid price 'adjustment' by seller buyer to pay lower mot.
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post Oct 27 2022, 12:40 AM

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QUOTE(Aldo-Kirosu @ Oct 26 2022, 01:47 PM)
So the question:
1. Is it Bank Valuation = Market Value?
2. Is it  Market Value is based on the supply and demand of 1 area, or bank valuation determine the market value?
3. If Ali ready sold his unit at 550K, and will it be new market value? and how many unit sold at market at new price only will then become a new market value?
4. How to determine Bank value vs Market value vs Developer value?
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Poorperly price is probably the least transparent among all investible assets. there could be substantial difference between market, valuation, auction, transacted, etc price.

Developer s&p price is normally future price plus inflated for loan purpose. Bank valuation is from licensed valuers; largely calculated from recently transacted price. market price not from recently transacted is mostly hearsay. vendor's asking price is often whims and fancy or syok sendiri. transacted price is willing buyer and willing seller.

This post has been edited by icemanfx: Oct 27 2022, 12:53 PM
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post Oct 27 2022, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(Cavatzu @ Oct 26 2022, 06:42 PM)
It hurts more for the lender. What sort of bank are you if you willingly lend an amount of money for collateral that is worth less than it. The onus is on developers not to be morons.

We’re in the position we’re in because dumb buyers then liquidated everything they had or hit up family for extra money to make developers gods and unaccountable. This needs to stop.
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Property development is a business in Malaysia. They are not going to build unless they can make acceptable profits as development carries a lot of risks and takes a lot of capital. The authorities bear a lot of the blame here. They lump a lot of costs on the developers such as infrastructure costs, bumi quota/ discount costs, compliance costs etc. The government can easily make the business a lot easier and allocate land for affordable housing at a cheap price on condition that the selling price of a unit is fixed. Land costs are very expensive thus developers try to squeeze as many units as possible. Look at Hong Kong. In their effort to help buyers get affordable housing, they force developers to exercise cross subsidies.... charging buyers for the higher end products more to subsidise the costs for the affordable housing. Due to the above factors, i have come to the conclusion that new properties will only go up in price in the future... and this is not even considering the rising costs of materials and manpower.
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post Oct 27 2022, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Bjorn1688 @ May 6 2019, 02:25 AM)
Buying properties for investment isn’t really all that any longer, most should be seen as a form of forced savings and for the long haul.

There is one under laying principle most detractors forgot, for there to be property there needs to be land and as Mark Twain said Buy land it isn’t being made any longer.

Forex? It’s just fiat money, The Feds can print as much greenback as they wished. Also takes forever to make any profit and offering requiring huge amounts of capital.

Shares and stocks? You folks must be either too young or have a selective memory, heard of Enron? How about the 1997 Asian Financial crisis?

Crypto? Lol.

Detractors of property investments can come up with all kinds of stories but none can show me a period in the last 30 years where a choice unit 22x85 or 22x75 DSL house in Bangsar could be purchased for less money than the previous year. Value dropped? On paper maybe but could you actually BUY one at the supposedly “lowered price” and was a choice unit not one that faced a t-junction or near a mosque etc?

On a bad year maybe you don’t get to rent it out for what you expect to else after 5 years  if you want to hold it you can remortgage and do something with the money or if you sell then you would still make a healthy return.
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I’m afraid that Mark Twain’s quote may not hold water anymore - or in fact hasn’t been for a long time.

Land reclamation is making new land.



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