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 Ultimate Discussions of ASB1/2-Financing, questions/comments/criticisms welcome

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TSwild_card_my
post Jun 3 2019, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(Vrese @ Jun 3 2019, 12:09 PM)
What a good tered. Thanks ts
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Yw. Just sharing, with no compulsion to subscribe to any of my services

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ts u didnt reply my last pm..i wonder why
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Eh? really? Will check my inbox now and get to you.

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post Jun 4 2019, 03:23 AM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jun 3 2019, 05:05 PM)
I'm aware.. I expected the daily adjustments to happen and then calculated as interest charged but at the end or the month.. Usual time.. Then monthly repayment happen as normal the next day.. Amount either increases or decreases, which In turn lengthens or shortens repayment schedules. At least, this is how the bank loans (admittedly non-islamic) I'm aware of function and fairly easy to keep track off as it all tallies. Pay to premium and interest charged is recalculated from next day on and shows up as reduced amount later. Tenure is reduced too. Anyways, I wouldn't bother calling up the bank either just yet.. Wait to hear from others, if they experience the same. If by next month it's still unclear.. Then I know la..Loans.. Unfortunately, it's the ASB2 loan so can't just reapply and terminate.. No ASBF quota.
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Easiest way is to check from the latest loan details/statement. Id like to analyze yours and share my findings, but I understand it is a very personal matter. These statements are my "raw materials" that I go through and share with my circles. Unfortunately I haven't got any hands on MBB's as most of my circles have migrated to other banks.

I have their 2018 loan statements, but our concerns are most likely the interests chargeable during the BR reduction month. I am sure I can see through the numbers if I can get my hands on a loan details/statement. It has to cover the months of March to May 2019 and show the outstanding loan balances throughout the period. I would also need to know the BR + [spread] figures. That's about it.

Something like this (without the numbers removed) would be very useful. Any volunteers?

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Figure 1. Redacted figures of a loan statement from MBB ASB-financing account
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post Jun 4 2019, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jun 4 2019, 03:23 AM)
Easiest way is to check from the latest loan details/statement. Id like to analyze yours and share my findings, but I understand it is a very personal matter. These statements are my "raw materials" that I go through and share with my circles. Unfortunately I haven't got any hands on MBB's as most of my circles have migrated to other banks.

I have their 2018 loan statements, but our concerns are most likely the interests chargeable during the BR reduction month. I am sure I can see through the numbers if I can get my hands on a loan details/statement. It has to cover the months of March to May 2019 and show the outstanding loan balances throughout the period. I would also need to know the BR + [spread] figures. That's about it.

Something like this (without the numbers removed) would be very useful. Any volunteers?

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Figure 1. Redacted figures of a loan statement from MBB ASB-financing account
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I didn't want to be brought into this thread.. But basically, what I said is as the image you posted.. Notice the dates are consistent.. End of month, first day of month.. On and on.. What changes is profit charged (which I gave the numbers and dates) and loan balance amounts. Monthly Installment remains the same..Then mine changed as per my earlier post. Kindly continue there (if there's anything to add) as I don't fancy /K talks.. Too many kids here..
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post Jun 4 2019, 11:41 AM

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Hi do you have the latest loan table
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post Jun 4 2019, 11:43 AM

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bro,... that is given for 35 yrs where the return is 6.65% guaranteed
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post Jun 4 2019, 11:59 AM

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QUOTE(voncrane @ Jun 4 2019, 11:40 AM)
I didn't want to be brought into this thread.. But basically, what I said is as the image you posted.. Notice the dates are consistent.. End of month, first day of month.. On and on.. What changes is profit charged (which I gave the numbers and dates) and loan balance amounts. Monthly Installment remains the same..Then mine changed as per my earlier post. Kindly continue there (if there's anything to add) as I don't fancy /K talks.. Too many kids here..
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Ah, for visibility purposes of my sharing and discussions inthe ASB thread in the Finance subforum, I would share my posts in this thread in /k/ - for the visibility which is important. laugh.gif In any case, due to the more serious nature of this thread, and the fact that I can delete people's comments, I get to control the narrative . In short, this thread is important due to the :

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QUOTE(Sedih @ Jun 4 2019, 11:41 AM)
Hi do you have the latest loan table
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Yeah, sure. best rate is about 4.75% p.a., for as long as 35 years if your are 30 years old or younger

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post Jun 4 2019, 12:51 PM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jun 4 2019, 11:59 AM)
Ah, for visibility purposes of my sharing and discussions inthe ASB thread in the Finance subforum, I would share my posts in this thread in /k/ - for the visibility which is important. laugh.gif In any case, due to the more serious nature of this thread, and the fact that I can delete people's comments, I get to control the narrative . In short, this thread is important due to the :

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post Jun 20 2019, 05:04 PM

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I have finished reading all 14 pages, so from my sumary here; (correct me if i am wrong)
From 200,000 of initial investment, return after 35 years = 1,812,450.97
Loan repayment is RM 416,665.20

So total gain is RM 1,395,785.77
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post Jun 20 2019, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(Shiitake @ Jun 20 2019, 05:04 PM)
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I have finished reading all 14 pages, so from my sumary here; (correct me if i am wrong)
From 200,000 of initial investment, return after 35 years = 1,812,450.97
Loan repayment is RM 416,665.20

So total gain is RM 1,395,785.77
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sure, if you consider it that way, you would have to do the same with other forms of investments as well. You have to take the maturity value and deduct all the capital outlay. This should be applied to other investment vehicles with or without a loan (As the capital outlay still happens).

For example, cash investment in ASB vs ASB financing, both would have their own capital outlay.
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For ASB Financing, how to compute the Zakat?
Does it from the total loan principal?

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post Jun 20 2019, 10:41 PM

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borrow-to-invest, maresia edisi
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post Jun 20 2019, 11:36 PM

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QUOTE(Shiitake @ Jun 20 2019, 10:39 PM)
For ASB Financing, how to compute the Zakat?
Does it from the total loan principal?
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Plenty of discussions on this. It depends whose opinions you would like to listen to

QUOTE(alexkos @ Jun 20 2019, 10:41 PM)
borrow-to-invest, maresia edisi
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Yeap, not much different to buying properties as investments.
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post Jun 21 2019, 12:51 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ May 2 2019, 02:16 PM)
jsut cancel it. With ASB units you can sell it in 2 months. You can't do the same with properties.

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Stock market confirm crash once bumis dispose all at once because they making loss if interest rate too high. It's silly of the government to start a scheme like this.
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post Jun 21 2019, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jun 4 2019, 11:59 AM)

Yeah, sure. best rate is about 4.75% p.a., for as long as 35 years if your are 30 years old or younger

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Care to share which banks offer that rate of 4.75% ?
seems a good deal
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post Jun 21 2019, 01:49 AM

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Tengok amoi pon dah tak boleh tegak tau mase tu.
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post Jun 21 2019, 02:35 AM

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Sorry if stupid question. Let's say I got about 50k on hand and I would like to invest for ASB can I combine it with a loan for another 50k or 100k ?


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QUOTE(shikimori @ Jun 21 2019, 02:35 AM)
Sorry if stupid question. Let's say I got about 50k on hand and I would like to invest for ASB can I combine it with a loan for another 50k or 100k ?
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post Jun 21 2019, 03:29 AM

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boss macam mana nak mempercepatkan penjualan. Jual kat affin lambatnya
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QUOTE(wild_card_my @ Jun 20 2019, 11:36 PM)
Plenty of discussions on this. It depends whose opinions you would like to listen to
Yeap, not much different to buying properties as investments.
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i ask about how to calculate the Zakat from the ASB-F not asking for opinion.
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Only for bumi

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