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post Mar 23 2019, 09:06 PM, updated 7y ago

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Hayao Miyazaki may like many things, but the Lord of the Rings movies and the Indiana Jones series don’t appear to be among them.

In an interview that dates from a few years back, Miyazaki not only criticized Hollywood, but those who enjoy its films.

The interview has recently been appearing on major Japanese blogs like Hachima Kikou and Yaraon. Kotaku has not confirmed the interview in its original hard copy form, but here are apparently more excerpts from the same publication.

“Americans shoot things and they blow up and the like, so as you’d expect, they make movies like that,” said Miyazaki at the time.

“If someone is the enemy, it’s okay to kill endless numbers of them,” he continued. “Lord of the Rings is like that. If it’s the enemy, there’s killing without separation between civilians and soldiers. That falls within collateral damage. How many people are being killed in attacks in Afghanistan? The Lord of the Rings is a movie that has no problem doing that [not separating civilians from enemies, apparently]. If you read the original work, you’ll understand, but in reality, the ones who were being killed are Asians and Africans. Those who don’t know that, yet say they love fantasy are idiots.”

There is a discourse on race in Lord of the Rings, but Miyazaki’s grouping of Lord of the Rings in with the American military seems slightly baffling. Sure, the movies were released and funded by a Hollywood company, but Peter Jackson, a New Zealand native, made the films in his home country with his Wellington-based studio. Plus, J. R. R. Tolkien was British. But Miyazaki seems to be grouping all of the Western into a singular Hollywood or, even, “American” lump.

“Even in the Indiana Jones movies, there is a white guy who, ‘bang,’ shoots people, right? Japanese people who go along and enjoy with that are unbelievably embarrassing. You are the ones that, ‘bang,’ get shot. Watching [those movies] without any self-awareness is unbelievable. There’s no pride, no historical perspective. You don’t know how you are viewed by a country like America.”

For a good chunk of the first and third movies, Indiana Jones was punching Nazis. (SYFY has a good piece on problematic elements in the movies and points out that even with said issues, it doesn’t mean the films should be cast aside.)

Miyazaki has previously made critical comments about the United States, writing, “I dislike the United States that dropped the nuclear bombs and does not regret it.” He added that he was “against Americanization” and “hate[d] people who are proud that cheap Japanese cars are popular in America, and I look at people who wear badges of the U.S. Army and U.S. Air Force that filled Vietnam with dioxins as enemies.” He also claimed to be “Anti-jeans, anti-bourbon, anti-burgers”, “Anti-fried chicken, anti-cola, anti-American coffee”, and “Anti-New York, Anti-West Coast, Disneyland go back to America!”
https://kotaku.com/hayao-miyazaki-seems-to-...iana-1833458496
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>kotaku

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QUOTE(GibeDeMuny @ Mar 23 2019, 09:14 PM)
>kotaku

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post Mar 23 2019, 09:19 PM

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He likes nature.
So movies that shows nature destroyed or too much machine triggers him.
If he watch Transformers, confirm suicide.

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his cartoon nothing la.

keep skin please
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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Mar 23 2019, 10:19 PM)
He likes nature.
So movies that shows nature destroyed or too much machine triggers him.
If he watch Transformers, confirm suicide.
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Miyazaki is a pacifist. So it's in line with his view that war begets war. He would prefer to show the horror of wars than glorify it like hollywood films does.
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QUOTE(ohman @ Mar 23 2019, 10:21 PM)
his cartoon nothing la.

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post Mar 23 2019, 09:28 PM

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post Mar 23 2019, 09:29 PM

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i've tried watching an episode of winnie the pooh where there are no violence nor killing.

it's a dark place i don't want to be in ever again
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post Mar 23 2019, 09:29 PM

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QUOTE(pipedream @ Mar 23 2019, 09:24 PM)
Miyazaki is a pacifist. So it's in line with his view that war begets war. He would prefer to show the horror of wars than glorify it like hollywood films does.
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when he gonna make cartoon on rape of nanking? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(GibeDeMuny @ Mar 23 2019, 09:14 PM)
>kotaku

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QUOTE(tictac88 @ Mar 23 2019, 09:28 PM)
dont know who. ini boss siapa?
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founder of disney also dunno? biggrin.gif
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post Mar 23 2019, 09:31 PM

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At least he's consistent in his stand. He's against Japan's war denials and comfort women denials as well.
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I partly agree with him on some films, but LOTR was quite innocent with the castle defence scene before Trump gets with his wall thing.
I do agree with him when it comes to the Jerusalem zombies scene on World War Z.
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QUOTE(pipedream @ Mar 23 2019, 09:25 PM)
Uncultured swine
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Look at you.

If this is how a fan behaves, then it means his cartoon failed.

Keep skin please.
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QUOTE(GibeDeMuny @ Mar 23 2019, 09:14 PM)
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Nah, more accurate representation is , EA ceo reviewed EA games.
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The interview has recently been appearing on major Japanese blogs like Hachima Kikou and Yaraon. Kotaku has not confirmed the interview in its original hard copy form, but here are apparently more excerpts from the same publication

This post has been edited by malakus: Mar 23 2019, 09:37 PM
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post Mar 23 2019, 09:37 PM

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Love his cartoon
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post Mar 23 2019, 09:38 PM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Mar 23 2019, 09:21 PM)
his cartoon nothing la.

keep skin please
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Calling them cartoons is an insult. They are works of art. Please show respect.
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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Mar 23 2019, 09:32 PM)
I partly agree with him on some films, but LOTR was quite innocent with the castle defence scene before Trump gets with his wall thing.
I do agree with him when it comes to the Jerusalem zombies scene on World War Z.
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His views on Indiana Jones is interesting. Since Indi fought Nazi.
I guess he still associate Japanese with Nazi....hmm.gif
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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Mar 23 2019, 09:38 PM)
His views on Indiana Jones is interesting. Since Indi fought Nazi.
I guess he still associate Japanese with Nazi....hmm.gif
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I don't think he means Nazis. Indiana Jones shoots one of the natives I think. I believe he means the people who are colonized by the West.

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QUOTE(koja6049 @ Mar 23 2019, 09:31 PM)
founder of disney also dunno?  biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Mar 23 2019, 09:38 PM)
His views on Indiana Jones is interesting. Since Indi fought Nazi.
I guess he still associate Japanese with Nazi....hmm.gif
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There is a scene that showed them in India eating monkey brains and insects, that is racist.
Miyazaki sympathized with socialist ideals btw.
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post Mar 23 2019, 09:46 PM

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Ok coz i dont like any LOTR or Indiana Jones movies anyway.

And Miyazaki's movie is an art.

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He made which hentai anime?
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post Mar 23 2019, 10:14 PM

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well the old japanese imperial army also did not exclude civilians

“I dislike the United States that dropped the nuclear bombs and does not regret it.”
same goes to japan for their WW2 crimes

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I thought LOTR is about saving civilians....like battle of Helms Deep and battle of Pelennor Field
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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Mar 23 2019, 09:19 PM)
He likes nature.
So movies that shows nature destroyed or too much machine triggers him.
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assuming the interview is legit, then he should like LOTR more. the evil saruman chops down so many trees he enraged the ents. in response they destroy isengard
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who is he? why is his review important? or not important?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 23 2019, 09:29 PM)
when he gonna make cartoon on rape of nanking? biggrin.gif
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He can but surely later kena ban by his government
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QUOTE(Imkenashadowban @ Mar 23 2019, 10:49 PM)
He can but surely later kena ban by his government
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but he did he criticize the atrocities of his country during WW2?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 23 2019, 10:50 PM)
but he did he criticize the atrocities of his country during WW2?
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Yes he did and he hate it so much.He even publicly critize Abe(Japan PM) for his denial of Japan ww2 atrocities.

Miyazaki touches on his childhood memories of surviving the war and witnessing its aftermath. Upon learning what the Imperial Japanese Army had done in China, he wrote that he felt “hatred against Japan” and was ashamed to be born in a country that would do such horrendous acts.
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base on his comment. i'm guessing he didnt watch lord of the ring at all
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QUOTE(Imkenashadowban @ Mar 23 2019, 10:56 PM)
Yes he did and he hate it so much.He even publicly critize Abe(Japan PM) for his denial of Japan ww2 atrocities.

Miyazaki touches on his childhood memories of surviving the war and witnessing its aftermath. Upon learning what the Imperial Japanese Army had done in China, he wrote that he felt “hatred against Japan” and was ashamed to be born in a country that would do such horrendous acts.
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so salah TS no give balance view on the subject. biggrin.gif
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Then Howl's Moving Castle tu apa? Love enemy to death is it? Akhirnya pun lawan kan, bengap

LOTR tells you that sometimes good men must pick up the sword to fight evil, AND sometimes good men must put down the sword and be merciful

Hayao Miyazaki just missed the entire point of GOLLUM!

QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 23 2019, 09:29 PM)
when he gonna make cartoon on rape of nanking? biggrin.gif
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This

Hypocritical fucking bastards
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 23 2019, 11:05 PM)
Then Howl's Moving Castle tu apa? Love enemy to death is it? Akhirnya pun lawan kan, bengap

LOTR tells you that sometimes good men must pick up the sword to fight evil, AND sometimes good men must put down the sword and be merciful

Hayao Miyazaki just missed the entire point of GOLLUM!
This

Hypocritical fucking bastards
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after the guy above pointed and replied my question...seems that hayao also got kutuk in japan few years back as traitor
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https://kotaku.com/hayao-miyazaki-called-an...r-and-865643505
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Mar 23 2019, 09:06 PM)
You are a fool to think hollywood isnt skewed towards americanism. Just look at the video of the indian woman being booed at the oscars.
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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Mar 23 2019, 09:32 PM)
I partly agree with him on some films, but LOTR was quite innocent with the castle defence scene before Trump gets with his wall thing.
I do agree with him when it comes to the Jerusalem zombies scene on World War Z.
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^ Not mentioned in the article?

And please lah. Just because Trump has fixated on a wall, doesn't mean all walls throughout the history of man and literature are now tainted by association doh.gif have some fricking perspective

QUOTE(ar188 @ Mar 23 2019, 11:08 PM)
after the guy above pointed and replied my question...seems that hayao also got kutuk in japan few years back as traitor
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https://kotaku.com/hayao-miyazaki-called-an...r-and-865643505
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So what
He still no balls to address the issue what

If he hold his own people to the same ideal as he holds Americans, he should be "anti sushi, anti Sony, anti Toyota, anti macha" because all these things represent the rape of Nanking

Boycott all those lah kalo berani
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QUOTE(GibeDeMuny @ Mar 23 2019, 09:14 PM)
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 23 2019, 11:12 PM)
^ Not mentioned in the article?

And please lah. Just because Trump has fixated on a wall, doesn't mean all walls throughout the history of man and literature are now tainted by association doh.gif have some fricking perspective
So what
He still no balls to address the issue what

If he hold his own people to the same ideal as he holds Americans, he should be "anti sushi, anti Sony, anti Toyota, anti macha" because all these things represent the rape of Nanking

Boycott all those lah kalo berani
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Sorry, I mean in movies, LOTR wasn't racist, but in the context of WWZ it certainly is.
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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Mar 24 2019, 12:34 AM)
Sorry, I mean in movies, LOTR wasn't racist, but in the context of WWZ it certainly is.
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What did you find racist about WWZ?

It was poorly explained in the movie, but it was a strategic decision made by all nations to wall off the infected zones and the virus free zones
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QUOTE(ohman @ Mar 23 2019, 10:33 PM)
Look at you.

If this is how a fan behaves, then it means his cartoon failed.

Keep skin please.
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you're better off arguing politics with bn macais

you get paid replying in unrelated politics thread too? what a huge scam of ur paymaster money
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 24 2019, 12:12 AM)
^ Not mentioned in the article?

And please lah. Just because Trump has fixated on a wall, doesn't mean all walls throughout the history of man and literature are now tainted by association doh.gif have some fricking perspective
So what
He still no balls to address the issue what

If he hold his own people to the same ideal as he holds Americans, he should be "anti sushi, anti Sony, anti Toyota, anti macha" because all these things represent the rape of Nanking

Boycott all those lah kalo berani
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Though I agreed with you, on the same breath of tone, lets

anti audi, bmw, ford etc because profited in holocaust

Jews death has lesser impact than nanking?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compa...n_the_Holocaust

Miyazaki's films on war is never an apologist.

Grave of fireflies shows the suffering of japanese citizen (nothing on japanese ideals) during the war.

The wind rises - misuse of invention for pain and suffering (kinda like oppenheimer stance on his atomic bomb)

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QUOTE(pipedream @ Mar 24 2019, 01:38 AM)
Though I agreed with you, on the same breath of tone, lets

anti audi, bmw, ford etc because profited in holocaust

Jews death has lesser impact than nanking?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compa...n_the_Holocaust
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exactly

he's just being anti-American and hiding behind herp derp peace love hypocrisy

p.s. anti Fanta too aka Nazi Coke biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 24 2019, 02:41 AM)
exactly

he's just being anti-American and hiding behind herp derp peace love hypocrisy

p.s. anti Fanta too aka Nazi Coke biggrin.gif
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I wrote that with sarcasm

Miyazaki's films on war is never an apologist.

Grave of fireflies shows the suffering of japanese citizen (nothing on japanese ideals) during the war.

The wind rises - misuse of invention for pain and suffering (kinda like oppenheimer stance on his atomic bomb)

And I don't get how a japanese made animation related to japanese stuff is unusual and somehow anti-american



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QUOTE(pipedream @ Mar 24 2019, 01:46 AM)
I wrote that with sarcasm

Miyazaki's films on war is never an apologist.

Grave of fireflies shows the suffering of japanese citizen (nothing on japanese ideals) during the war.

The wind rises - misuse of invention for pain and suffering (kinda like oppenheimer stance on his atomic bomb)

And I don't get how a japanese made animation related to japanese stuff is unusual and somehow anti-american
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Oh sorry, sarcasm meter rosak

Well at least as someone pointed out above, his anti-war stance is universal. And he advocates traditional Japanese cultural values instead of capitalism and consumerism (the subject of Spirited Away). I can agree with that.

But I have little regard for films like Grave of fireflies. They always tell the story of "oooo kesian jepunis kena whack kaw2 by evil A-bombing Americunts" and you can see by HM's comments that this is indeed his message. Conveniently overlooking the horror and misery that the Japanese themselves inflicted on others. It's self-serving self-pitying hypocritical crap. Till today I'm waiting for a Japanese-made film about what THEY did to others during WW2. Why not make a movie about that, eh?

The anti-Americanism is in his comments and personal outlook, read OP

Anyway, if he thinks hurr durr all war/fighting films are bad, what about... jeng jeng jeng



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i am glad that he is still holding the grudge against the west/white/american/

me too, i am a proud easterner that work hard to make sure i am very successful and want to contribute to make easterner stronger, richer and even better cultured with higher level of wisdom.

they stole from us, became rich and now the grand children setting us some kind of "standard" to be modern/swag/well manner/high-class/moral

stop spending for westerner fashion brand.

Its stupid+obvious inferiority complex when you spend RM8000 for a bag Rm2000 for a belt.
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QUOTE(JerryTeh @ Mar 24 2019, 03:09 AM)
i am glad that he is still holding the grudge against the west/white/american/

me too, i am a proud easterner that work hard to make sure i am very successful and want to contribute to make easterner stronger, richer and even better cultured with higher level of wisdom.

they stole from us, became rich and now the grand children setting us some kind of "standard" to be modern/swag/well manner/high-class/moral

stop spending for westerner fashion brand.

Its stupid+obvious inferiority complex when you spend RM8000 for a bag Rm2000 for a belt.
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Please stop use internet. Origin from westerners.
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who the hell is Hayao Miyazaki?
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 24 2019, 12:48 AM)
What did you find racist about WWZ?

It was poorly explained  in the movie, but it was a strategic decision made by all nations to wall off the infected zones and the virus free zones
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Well, the illustration that the Gaza as infected are almost blatant.
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QUOTE(Angelic Layer @ Mar 24 2019, 04:00 AM)
Well, the illustration that the Gaza as infected are almost blatant.
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Yeah well blame the movie

In fact in the book, the Israelis decide to bring in the Palestinians into the anti-zombie wall, resulting in both Jewish and Palestinian extremists attacking the IDF. Also the wall is never breached.

Hollywood probably decided a more controversial approach would be more emotive. Bastards.

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QUOTE(pipedream @ Mar 24 2019, 01:46 AM)
I wrote that with sarcasm

Miyazaki's films on war is never an apologist.

Grave of fireflies shows the suffering of japanese citizen (nothing on japanese ideals) during the war.

The wind rises - misuse of invention for pain and suffering (kinda like oppenheimer stance on his atomic bomb)

And I don't get how a japanese made animation related to japanese stuff is unusual and somehow anti-american
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I never like this 2 movies as he romanticize the subject and only paint Japanese as the victims of WW2.

Grave of the Fireflies is one of the saddest movie ever made but if you think further he made a movie about suffering of Japanese but the rest of the world suffers even worst than Japanese. It is hypocritical for him to criticize American movies but he himself did the same thing where he made one side as victim but ignoring others as victims too.

Wind Rises is worst. He made the man who invented Zero, a pure war machine into some sort of pacifist. Nobody who create war machine can claim themselves as pacifists later. He received money for his creation.
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QUOTE(oucheev @ Mar 24 2019, 07:19 AM)
I never like this 2 movies as he romanticize the subject and only paint Japanese as the victims of WW2.

Grave of the Fireflies is one of the saddest movie ever made but if you think further he made a movie about suffering of Japanese but the rest of the world suffers even worst than Japanese. It is hypocritical for him to criticize American movies but he himself did the same thing where he made one side as victim but ignoring others as victims too.

Wind Rises is worst. He made the man who invented Zero, a pure war machine into some sort of pacifist. Nobody who create war machine can claim themselves as pacifists later. He received money for his creation.
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If you read the original work, you’ll understand, but in reality, the ones who were being killed are Asians and Africans

Err so orcs are Asian?
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QUOTE(takadanicklagi @ Mar 24 2019, 07:50 AM)
If you read the original work, you’ll understand, but in reality, the ones who were being killed are Asians and Africans

Err so orcs are Asian?
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In the original work, the Men of the West are the good guys. The Easterlings are the bad guys.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Mar 24 2019, 07:58 AM)
In the original work, the Men of the West are the good guys. The Easterlings are the bad guys.
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I guess there is no winning. Ppl will interpret any how they like to fit their view.

Put north eskimo will get triggered. Put south penguin will get triggered.
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QUOTE(GibeDeMuny @ Mar 23 2019, 09:14 PM)
>kotaku

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Kotaku did a shit job reporting on GamerGate and on Overwatch controversies, but this article is correct.

They did point out why Miyazaki's views are very strange after all.
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QUOTE(oucheev @ Mar 24 2019, 07:19 AM)
I never like this 2 movies as he romanticize the subject and only paint Japanese as the victims of WW2.

Grave of the Fireflies is one of the saddest movie ever made but if you think further he made a movie about suffering of Japanese but the rest of the world suffers even worst than Japanese. It is hypocritical for him to criticize American movies but he himself did the same thing where he made one side as victim but ignoring others as victims too.

Wind Rises is worst. He made the man who invented Zero, a pure war machine into some sort of pacifist. Nobody who create war machine can claim themselves as pacifists later. He received money for his creation.

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The guy who created noble peace prize.

Anyway there is no pleasing of everyone. Why cant ppl just enjoy a book/ movie without psycoanalyzing everything.
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QUOTE(takadanicklagi @ Mar 24 2019, 08:54 AM)
The guy who created noble peace prize.

Anyway there is no pleasing of everyone. Why cant ppl just enjoy a book/ movie without psycoanalyzing everything.
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Because art has meaning, sometimes intentionally so on the part of the creator.
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Because art has meaning, sometimes intentionally so on the part of the creator.
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Writer and artist drew from their experience.

They will never be able to please everyone.
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QUOTE(takadanicklagi @ Mar 24 2019, 09:41 AM)
Writer and artist drew from their experience.

They will never be able to please everyone.
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I don't think artists try to please everyone. In fact, artists often deliberately try to offend some parties.
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I don't think artists try to please everyone. In fact, artists often deliberately try to offend some parties.
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Tolkien try to do that?
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Tolkien try to do that?
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Just speaking in general. I just don't think the point of art is to please everyone. Art is often most effective when someone is offended.
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Just speaking in general. I just don't think the point of art is to please everyone. Art is often most effective when someone is offended.
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If that so, read LOTR instead of watching the movies. Quite different in a lot of sense.


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QUOTE(takadanicklagi @ Mar 24 2019, 07:50 AM)
If you read the original work, you’ll understand, but in reality, the ones who were being killed are Asians and Africans

Err so orcs are Asian?
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The other race of men that are ally under Sauron such as the Easterling and other barbarians (ones who ride the elephant).
Anyway Hayao Miyazaki view is flawed imo.
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QUOTE(sidthesloth @ Mar 24 2019, 11:18 AM)
The other race of men that are ally under Sauron such as the Easterling and other barbarians (ones who ride the elephant).
Anyway Hayao Miyazaki view is flawed imo.
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Olephant I think. But hayo I interesting it very narrowly. Why cant ppl just enjoy a book.

I like LOTR books and its lore. Talk about friendship love. I never interpreted his book along racial line.
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 24 2019, 02:59 AM)
Oh sorry, sarcasm meter rosak

Well at least as someone pointed out above, his anti-war stance is universal. And he advocates traditional Japanese cultural values instead of capitalism and consumerism (the subject of Spirited Away). I can agree with that.

But I have little regard for films like Grave of fireflies. They always tell the story of "oooo kesian jepunis kena whack kaw2 by evil A-bombing Americunts" and you can see by HM's comments that this is indeed his message. Conveniently overlooking the horror and misery that the Japanese themselves inflicted on others. It's self-serving self-pitying hypocritical crap. Till today I'm waiting for a Japanese-made film about what THEY did to others during WW2. Why not make a movie about that, eh?

The anti-Americanism is in his comments and personal outlook, read OP

Anyway, if he thinks hurr durr all war/fighting films are bad, what about... jeng jeng jeng


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Okay, lets see hollywood films then:

From google:

Dunkirk - depicts the Dunkirk evacuation of World War II.

Hacksaw Ridge - The film focuses on the World War II experiences of Desmond Doss, an American pacifist combat medic who, as a Seventh-day Adventist Christian, refused to carry or use a weapon or firearm of any kind.

American Sniper - The film follows the life of Kyle, who became the deadliest marksman in U.S. military history with 255 kills from four tours in the Iraq War, 160 of which were officially confirmed by the Department of Defense.

See the trend? American made american war films that depict americans in a good way - The iraq war is controversial to some too.

Also, the film porco rosso is not about japanese and in what way glorifying war?

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Porco Rosso is one of the few films directed by Hayao Miyazaki in which the historical and geographical settings are clearly defined and where most of the story could have happened in the real world. Marco is an Italian hero from the First World War and is shown fighting against Austro-Hungarian fighter planes in a flashback sequence. The story is set in the Adriatic Sea east coast between Dalmatian and Kvarner islands, a fictionalized city of Fiume after its annexation to fascist Italy and Northern Italy.

Porco makes statements of his being anti-fascist, quipping during one scene that "I'd much rather be a pig than a fascist". Miyazaki shed light on the political context of the making of the film in an interview with Empire. He reflects that the conflicts that broke out during the film's production (such as those in Dubrovnik and elsewhere) made Porco Rosso a much more complicated and difficult film.[9]

Evident historical and political realism aside, at least one scholar has argued that the film's more overt historical references can be understood as representative of wakon yosai (Japanese spirit; Western techniques)—a tendency, since the Meji period, for Japanese artists to paint Europe as spectacular, while simultaneously maintaining the distance necessary to preserve a distinct sense of Japanese identity. "In Porco Rosso", states academic Chris Wood, "Europe is tamed, rendered as a charming site of pleasurable consumption, made distant and viewed through a tourist gaze."[10]





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QUOTE(pipedream @ Mar 24 2019, 11:40 AM)

See the trend? American made american war films that depict americans in a good way - The iraq war is controversial to some too.

Also, the film porco rosso is not about japanese and in what way glorifying war?
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offtopic sikit: I would go further than that actually

If you look at most American WW2 media, they mainly focus on just 4 battles - 1) Pearl Harbour, naturally; 2) Normandy D-day and French campaign, the first American-led victory in Europe; 3) Battle of the Bulge 1944, only the American half and only the victorious part; and 4) Pacific campaign, again only the American and victorious part in from island-hopping onwards

so this observation is not without merit

but again, you have to read OP which it looks like until now you still haven't, to get where my critique of HM is coming from

HM shit on LOTR because he said it glorifies war. Well, LOTR is a story of good guys forced to go to war against bad guys, to save the world. The main themes are friendship, sacrifice, and ultimately upholding righteous moral principles such as mercy despite seemingly being against practical considerations. It's not what he claims at all.

If even this level of conflict he considers "glorifying war", then hell, he himself shouldn't be doing anything like Porco Rosso or even the brief fighting in Howl's Moving Castle

which is why he is a hypocrite.
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 24 2019, 01:58 PM)
offtopic sikit: I would go further than that actually

If you look at most American WW2 media, they mainly focus on just 4 battles - 1) Pearl Harbour, naturally; 2) Normandy D-day and French campaign, the first American-led victory in Europe; 3) Battle of the Bulge 1944, only the American half and only the victorious part; and 4) Pacific campaign, again only the American and victorious part in from island-hopping onwards

so this observation is not without merit

but again, you have to read OP which it looks like until now you still haven't, to get where my critique of HM is coming from

HM shit on LOTR because he said it glorifies war. Well, LOTR is a story of good guys forced to go to war against bad guys, to save the world. The main themes are friendship, sacrifice, and ultimately upholding righteous moral principles such as mercy despite seemingly being against practical considerations. It's not what he claims at all.

If even this level of conflict he considers "glorifying war", then hell, he himself shouldn't be doing anything like Porco Rosso or even the brief fighting in Howl's Moving Castle

which is why he is a hypocrite.
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I re-read the article just now.

Seems like his point of contempt is more to the underlying xenophobic theme of LOTR. So we're both wrong.

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“If someone is the enemy, it’s okay to kill endless numbers of them,” he continued. “Lord of the Rings is like that. If it’s the enemy, there’s killing without separation between civilians and soldiers. That falls within collateral damage. How many people are being killed in attacks in Afghanistan? The Lord of the Rings is a movie that has no problem doing that [not separating civilians from enemies, apparently]. If you read the original work, you’ll understand, but in reality, the ones who were being killed are Asians and Africans. Those who don’t know that, yet say they love fantasy are idiots.”


That said, I don't really care either way, I'll appreciate both tolkien's and miyazaki work, as they are both tasteful art in their own way.

Also, his anti-american stance is from an excerpt he made long ago.

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A lot has happened in the past 32 years, and Miyazaki has obviously either changed his stance since then or has come to terms with how things are and has learned to go with the flow. Hearing accounts of how stubborn Miyazaki could be as a director, I doubt he would have let Studio Ghibli embrace Disney as it has if he still felt that way. Of course, while Miyazaki does own a car, it’s a Citroen C4. A French automobile...


https://kotaku.com/the-time-hayao-miyazaki-...rica-1696699923

Nice journalism from kotaku.
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QUOTE(pipedream @ Mar 24 2019, 01:21 PM)
I re-read the article just now.

Seems like his point of contempt is more to the underlying xenophobic theme of LOTR. So we're both wrong.
That said, I don't really care either way, I'll appreciate both tolkien's and miyazaki work, as they are both tasteful art in their own way.

Also, his anti-american stance is from an excerpt he made long ago.
https://kotaku.com/the-time-hayao-miyazaki-...rica-1696699923

Nice journalism from kotaku.
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He also seems to think LOTR doesn't differentiate between killing civilians and enemy and then extrapolated that into mindless and genocidal killing

That's a pretty crazy argument, to jump that far I think you have to really hate something unreasonably

I'm familiar with the supposed LOTR racist vibes but a lot of people miss that Tolkien was a mega geek of Viking and Germanic mythology (both cultures have RING sagas) and he designed his world based on that

Aragorn and the elves are idealised Vikings or Celts

Hobbits are stupid and weak English farm folk

And dwarves and orcs are descended from depictions of Germanic goblins and monsters

The Oliphaunts are inspired by Hannibal's elephants

Southrons in that context are Carthaginians aka North African Spaniards, and Easterlings are Italians and Turks - particularly Byzantine Italians and Turks

If you look at the map of LOTR and mediaeval Europe you'll see it's roughly aligned that way as well. Out West is the Land beyond the seas the elves come from, which isn't America btw - it's the English legend of Avalon

So it's ridiculous to say that Tolkien is racist against Africans, Arabs and Orientals!

Not that I buy any xenophobia from Tolkien either, because in his mythology evil corrupts all regardless of race.

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QUOTE(oucheev @ Mar 24 2019, 07:19 AM)
I never like this 2 movies as he romanticize the subject and only paint Japanese as the victims of WW2.

Grave of the Fireflies is one of the saddest movie ever made but if you think further he made a movie about suffering of Japanese but the rest of the world suffers even worst than Japanese. It is hypocritical for him to criticize American movies but he himself did the same thing where he made one side as victim but ignoring others as victims too.

Wind Rises is worst. He made the man who invented Zero, a pure war machine into some sort of pacifist. Nobody who create war machine can claim themselves as pacifists later. He received money for his creation.
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Miyazaki never made Grave of the Fireflies, in fact he commented that he couldn't make such a film as this. It was made by Isao Takahata of the same company.
Grave of the fireflies wasn't intended to portray the nation as a victim, instead it was criticism of how individuals suffers under oppressive society, where human relationships broken down.
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lol stop using your tech gadgets then, mad in china vietnam malaysia indonesia icon_idea.gif ...

its not hating them, but remember what they did to our ancestors and like Hayao miyazaki said, the AWARENESS must be there.

we still can learn from them, do business with them, visit their countries and so on, just dont "lick their asses".
(Eg: high end food = western, high end fashion = western, high end travel destination = western, etc)

i have friends who graduated overseas came back look down on Asians. It is so pathetic.

we must remember. we wont take back by force, we take back by working harder, and remember who we are.
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QUOTE(arubin @ Mar 24 2019, 08:48 AM)
Kotaku did a shit job reporting on GamerGate and on Overwatch controversies, but this article is correct.

They did point out why Miyazaki's views are very strange after all.
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With Kotaku, it's either just a lazy, shitty compilation of ill-informed knowledge collected from the web, or, a proper article, BUT with certain agenda pushed.

Most of the time it's a mix of bullshit and they push that story to be the absolute truth.
Millions of Normies actually follow them and get their thoughts and belief twisted.

Read the article in the OP again.
Right off the bat, in the title, "- seems to hate -".
That's a very strong, suggestive term.

It's like they want you to believe Miyazaki is really all that.
But that's just the surface. Without full context.
Lazy article, almost non-existent sources or explaination, reasoning to why the "hate".

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Now read this by Kotaku East, back in 2015.
https://kotaku.com/the-time-hayao-miyazaki-...rica-1696699923

That is milder, right? There's no suggestive hipster catchphrases to catch your throughts and direct it to push towards an agenda.

The writer is Japanese, yes, but it doesn't look like he's defending Miyazaki at all. He's just better with reasoning to why the hate.

Isn't it funny that they keep recycling old topics, and yet the old one seems better on this?

Think about it, it's a very young Miyazaki, life is full of hardships. He's an artist and a storyteller.

To me it's just like shitposting on a forum or blog today, letting out your resentment. Opening up and talking bad about everything, not like you really mean it.

Back then you keep it on a journal or diary, writing and, as an artist, draw retarded doodle shit.

So he's expressing his resentment in life, and all the anti-america doodles and writings is just shitposting on a personal, self-indulgent level.

Mangaka does this a lot in their Tankoubon, drawing doodles of themselves and writing small opinions and expression on the inlet cover on the front of their comics, expressing their throughts on current life.
Of course this is milder and more politically correct, but they can be offensive and racial too, but only ironically, as a joke.

They are ironic opinions, not to be taken seriously.
It's like us here shitposting tokok in /k.
Or conversing between friends in a bar.
In South Korean Television they do this on TV, on shows like Happy Together. They talk like normal people, reveal personal stories etc.

This is not a press conference, you're not being Politically Correct, making an official statement in public eyes, on news headline.

The new Kotaku post MADE it look like a news headline. Made it look official. It's fucking bullshit.

How many Normies gonna think it's the absolute truth just by reading the title?
This is what's bullshit with Kotaku and someone like YongYea.

TL;DR - New Article is Ass, Old Article has more citation

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