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post Mar 23 2019, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(LamboSama @ Mar 23 2019, 10:19 PM)
He likes nature.
So movies that shows nature destroyed or too much machine triggers him.
If he watch Transformers, confirm suicide.
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Miyazaki is a pacifist. So it's in line with his view that war begets war. He would prefer to show the horror of wars than glorify it like hollywood films does.
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post Mar 23 2019, 09:25 PM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Mar 23 2019, 10:21 PM)
his cartoon nothing la.

keep skin please
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post Mar 24 2019, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(ohman @ Mar 23 2019, 10:33 PM)
Look at you.

If this is how a fan behaves, then it means his cartoon failed.

Keep skin please.
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you're better off arguing politics with bn macais

you get paid replying in unrelated politics thread too? what a huge scam of ur paymaster money
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post Mar 24 2019, 01:38 AM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 24 2019, 12:12 AM)
^ Not mentioned in the article?

And please lah. Just because Trump has fixated on a wall, doesn't mean all walls throughout the history of man and literature are now tainted by association doh.gif have some fricking perspective
So what
He still no balls to address the issue what

If he hold his own people to the same ideal as he holds Americans, he should be "anti sushi, anti Sony, anti Toyota, anti macha" because all these things represent the rape of Nanking

Boycott all those lah kalo berani
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Though I agreed with you, on the same breath of tone, lets

anti audi, bmw, ford etc because profited in holocaust

Jews death has lesser impact than nanking?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compa...n_the_Holocaust

Miyazaki's films on war is never an apologist.

Grave of fireflies shows the suffering of japanese citizen (nothing on japanese ideals) during the war.

The wind rises - misuse of invention for pain and suffering (kinda like oppenheimer stance on his atomic bomb)

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post Mar 24 2019, 01:46 AM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 24 2019, 02:41 AM)
exactly

he's just being anti-American and hiding behind herp derp peace love hypocrisy

p.s. anti Fanta too aka Nazi Coke biggrin.gif
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I wrote that with sarcasm

Miyazaki's films on war is never an apologist.

Grave of fireflies shows the suffering of japanese citizen (nothing on japanese ideals) during the war.

The wind rises - misuse of invention for pain and suffering (kinda like oppenheimer stance on his atomic bomb)

And I don't get how a japanese made animation related to japanese stuff is unusual and somehow anti-american



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post Mar 24 2019, 11:40 AM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 24 2019, 02:59 AM)
Oh sorry, sarcasm meter rosak

Well at least as someone pointed out above, his anti-war stance is universal. And he advocates traditional Japanese cultural values instead of capitalism and consumerism (the subject of Spirited Away). I can agree with that.

But I have little regard for films like Grave of fireflies. They always tell the story of "oooo kesian jepunis kena whack kaw2 by evil A-bombing Americunts" and you can see by HM's comments that this is indeed his message. Conveniently overlooking the horror and misery that the Japanese themselves inflicted on others. It's self-serving self-pitying hypocritical crap. Till today I'm waiting for a Japanese-made film about what THEY did to others during WW2. Why not make a movie about that, eh?

The anti-Americanism is in his comments and personal outlook, read OP

Anyway, if he thinks hurr durr all war/fighting films are bad, what about... jeng jeng jeng


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Okay, lets see hollywood films then:

From google:

Dunkirk - depicts the Dunkirk evacuation of World War II.

Hacksaw Ridge - The film focuses on the World War II experiences of Desmond Doss, an American pacifist combat medic who, as a Seventh-day Adventist Christian, refused to carry or use a weapon or firearm of any kind.

American Sniper - The film follows the life of Kyle, who became the deadliest marksman in U.S. military history with 255 kills from four tours in the Iraq War, 160 of which were officially confirmed by the Department of Defense.

See the trend? American made american war films that depict americans in a good way - The iraq war is controversial to some too.

Also, the film porco rosso is not about japanese and in what way glorifying war?

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Porco Rosso is one of the few films directed by Hayao Miyazaki in which the historical and geographical settings are clearly defined and where most of the story could have happened in the real world. Marco is an Italian hero from the First World War and is shown fighting against Austro-Hungarian fighter planes in a flashback sequence. The story is set in the Adriatic Sea east coast between Dalmatian and Kvarner islands, a fictionalized city of Fiume after its annexation to fascist Italy and Northern Italy.

Porco makes statements of his being anti-fascist, quipping during one scene that "I'd much rather be a pig than a fascist". Miyazaki shed light on the political context of the making of the film in an interview with Empire. He reflects that the conflicts that broke out during the film's production (such as those in Dubrovnik and elsewhere) made Porco Rosso a much more complicated and difficult film.[9]

Evident historical and political realism aside, at least one scholar has argued that the film's more overt historical references can be understood as representative of wakon yosai (Japanese spirit; Western techniques)—a tendency, since the Meji period, for Japanese artists to paint Europe as spectacular, while simultaneously maintaining the distance necessary to preserve a distinct sense of Japanese identity. "In Porco Rosso", states academic Chris Wood, "Europe is tamed, rendered as a charming site of pleasurable consumption, made distant and viewed through a tourist gaze."[10]





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post Mar 24 2019, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 24 2019, 01:58 PM)
offtopic sikit: I would go further than that actually

If you look at most American WW2 media, they mainly focus on just 4 battles - 1) Pearl Harbour, naturally; 2) Normandy D-day and French campaign, the first American-led victory in Europe; 3) Battle of the Bulge 1944, only the American half and only the victorious part; and 4) Pacific campaign, again only the American and victorious part in from island-hopping onwards

so this observation is not without merit

but again, you have to read OP which it looks like until now you still haven't, to get where my critique of HM is coming from

HM shit on LOTR because he said it glorifies war. Well, LOTR is a story of good guys forced to go to war against bad guys, to save the world. The main themes are friendship, sacrifice, and ultimately upholding righteous moral principles such as mercy despite seemingly being against practical considerations. It's not what he claims at all.

If even this level of conflict he considers "glorifying war", then hell, he himself shouldn't be doing anything like Porco Rosso or even the brief fighting in Howl's Moving Castle

which is why he is a hypocrite.
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I re-read the article just now.

Seems like his point of contempt is more to the underlying xenophobic theme of LOTR. So we're both wrong.

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“If someone is the enemy, it’s okay to kill endless numbers of them,” he continued. “Lord of the Rings is like that. If it’s the enemy, there’s killing without separation between civilians and soldiers. That falls within collateral damage. How many people are being killed in attacks in Afghanistan? The Lord of the Rings is a movie that has no problem doing that [not separating civilians from enemies, apparently]. If you read the original work, you’ll understand, but in reality, the ones who were being killed are Asians and Africans. Those who don’t know that, yet say they love fantasy are idiots.”


That said, I don't really care either way, I'll appreciate both tolkien's and miyazaki work, as they are both tasteful art in their own way.

Also, his anti-american stance is from an excerpt he made long ago.

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A lot has happened in the past 32 years, and Miyazaki has obviously either changed his stance since then or has come to terms with how things are and has learned to go with the flow. Hearing accounts of how stubborn Miyazaki could be as a director, I doubt he would have let Studio Ghibli embrace Disney as it has if he still felt that way. Of course, while Miyazaki does own a car, it’s a Citroen C4. A French automobile...


https://kotaku.com/the-time-hayao-miyazaki-...rica-1696699923

Nice journalism from kotaku.

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