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post Mar 24 2019, 07:52 AM

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QUOTE(takadanicklagi @ Mar 24 2019, 07:50 AM)
If you read the original work, you’ll understand, but in reality, the ones who were being killed are Asians and Africans

Err so orcs are Asian?
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In the original work, the Men of the West are the good guys. The Easterlings are the bad guys.
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post Mar 24 2019, 08:22 AM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Mar 24 2019, 07:58 AM)
In the original work, the Men of the West are the good guys. The Easterlings are the bad guys.
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I guess there is no winning. Ppl will interpret any how they like to fit their view.

Put north eskimo will get triggered. Put south penguin will get triggered.
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QUOTE(GibeDeMuny @ Mar 23 2019, 09:14 PM)
>kotaku

it's like relying on amon's review and opinion
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Kotaku did a shit job reporting on GamerGate and on Overwatch controversies, but this article is correct.

They did point out why Miyazaki's views are very strange after all.
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post Mar 24 2019, 08:54 AM

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QUOTE(oucheev @ Mar 24 2019, 07:19 AM)
I never like this 2 movies as he romanticize the subject and only paint Japanese as the victims of WW2.

Grave of the Fireflies is one of the saddest movie ever made but if you think further he made a movie about suffering of Japanese but the rest of the world suffers even worst than Japanese. It is hypocritical for him to criticize American movies but he himself did the same thing where he made one side as victim but ignoring others as victims too.

Wind Rises is worst. He made the man who invented Zero, a pure war machine into some sort of pacifist. Nobody who create war machine can claim themselves as pacifists later. He received money for his creation.

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The guy who created noble peace prize.

Anyway there is no pleasing of everyone. Why cant ppl just enjoy a book/ movie without psycoanalyzing everything.
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QUOTE(takadanicklagi @ Mar 24 2019, 08:54 AM)
The guy who created noble peace prize.

Anyway there is no pleasing of everyone. Why cant ppl just enjoy a book/ movie without psycoanalyzing everything.
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Because art has meaning, sometimes intentionally so on the part of the creator.
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post Mar 24 2019, 09:41 AM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Mar 24 2019, 09:06 AM)
Because art has meaning, sometimes intentionally so on the part of the creator.
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Writer and artist drew from their experience.

They will never be able to please everyone.
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QUOTE(takadanicklagi @ Mar 24 2019, 09:41 AM)
Writer and artist drew from their experience.

They will never be able to please everyone.
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I don't think artists try to please everyone. In fact, artists often deliberately try to offend some parties.
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post Mar 24 2019, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Mar 24 2019, 09:43 AM)
I don't think artists try to please everyone. In fact, artists often deliberately try to offend some parties.
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Tolkien try to do that?
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QUOTE(takadanicklagi @ Mar 24 2019, 09:47 AM)
Tolkien try to do that?
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Just speaking in general. I just don't think the point of art is to please everyone. Art is often most effective when someone is offended.
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QUOTE(wankongyew @ Mar 24 2019, 09:49 AM)
Just speaking in general. I just don't think the point of art is to please everyone. Art is often most effective when someone is offended.
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Agreed
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post Mar 24 2019, 09:59 AM

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If that so, read LOTR instead of watching the movies. Quite different in a lot of sense.


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QUOTE(GibeDeMuny @ Mar 23 2019, 09:14 PM)
>kotaku

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post Mar 24 2019, 11:18 AM

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QUOTE(takadanicklagi @ Mar 24 2019, 07:50 AM)
If you read the original work, you’ll understand, but in reality, the ones who were being killed are Asians and Africans

Err so orcs are Asian?
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The other race of men that are ally under Sauron such as the Easterling and other barbarians (ones who ride the elephant).
Anyway Hayao Miyazaki view is flawed imo.
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QUOTE(sidthesloth @ Mar 24 2019, 11:18 AM)
The other race of men that are ally under Sauron such as the Easterling and other barbarians (ones who ride the elephant).
Anyway Hayao Miyazaki view is flawed imo.
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Olephant I think. But hayo I interesting it very narrowly. Why cant ppl just enjoy a book.

I like LOTR books and its lore. Talk about friendship love. I never interpreted his book along racial line.
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QUOTE(KLthinker91 @ Mar 24 2019, 02:59 AM)
Oh sorry, sarcasm meter rosak

Well at least as someone pointed out above, his anti-war stance is universal. And he advocates traditional Japanese cultural values instead of capitalism and consumerism (the subject of Spirited Away). I can agree with that.

But I have little regard for films like Grave of fireflies. They always tell the story of "oooo kesian jepunis kena whack kaw2 by evil A-bombing Americunts" and you can see by HM's comments that this is indeed his message. Conveniently overlooking the horror and misery that the Japanese themselves inflicted on others. It's self-serving self-pitying hypocritical crap. Till today I'm waiting for a Japanese-made film about what THEY did to others during WW2. Why not make a movie about that, eh?

The anti-Americanism is in his comments and personal outlook, read OP

Anyway, if he thinks hurr durr all war/fighting films are bad, what about... jeng jeng jeng


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Okay, lets see hollywood films then:

From google:

Dunkirk - depicts the Dunkirk evacuation of World War II.

Hacksaw Ridge - The film focuses on the World War II experiences of Desmond Doss, an American pacifist combat medic who, as a Seventh-day Adventist Christian, refused to carry or use a weapon or firearm of any kind.

American Sniper - The film follows the life of Kyle, who became the deadliest marksman in U.S. military history with 255 kills from four tours in the Iraq War, 160 of which were officially confirmed by the Department of Defense.

See the trend? American made american war films that depict americans in a good way - The iraq war is controversial to some too.

Also, the film porco rosso is not about japanese and in what way glorifying war?

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Porco Rosso is one of the few films directed by Hayao Miyazaki in which the historical and geographical settings are clearly defined and where most of the story could have happened in the real world. Marco is an Italian hero from the First World War and is shown fighting against Austro-Hungarian fighter planes in a flashback sequence. The story is set in the Adriatic Sea east coast between Dalmatian and Kvarner islands, a fictionalized city of Fiume after its annexation to fascist Italy and Northern Italy.

Porco makes statements of his being anti-fascist, quipping during one scene that "I'd much rather be a pig than a fascist". Miyazaki shed light on the political context of the making of the film in an interview with Empire. He reflects that the conflicts that broke out during the film's production (such as those in Dubrovnik and elsewhere) made Porco Rosso a much more complicated and difficult film.[9]

Evident historical and political realism aside, at least one scholar has argued that the film's more overt historical references can be understood as representative of wakon yosai (Japanese spirit; Western techniques)—a tendency, since the Meji period, for Japanese artists to paint Europe as spectacular, while simultaneously maintaining the distance necessary to preserve a distinct sense of Japanese identity. "In Porco Rosso", states academic Chris Wood, "Europe is tamed, rendered as a charming site of pleasurable consumption, made distant and viewed through a tourist gaze."[10]






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