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derravile
post Jan 23 2024, 03:59 PM

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hi guys, i've been using stashaway for bout 3-4 years now

besides i put 1 lumpsump at the beginning, after that, i mainly do monthly DCA into 2 portfolios of 30% & 36%

i understands that i do make a decent return in MYR but barely in USD (especially for my GI 36%, in MYR is about 14.4% MWR but -1.57% in USD)

ignoring that it has been underperform compare to my self investment, i treat it as a long term investment for risk diversification in MYR

my question now is the way they calculate the MWR, if anyone knows, do enlighthen me as i could not get a satisfied answer from SA team

i do record my own investments, as i researched, MWR is basically the XIRR function in excel where dates and investment amount is being take into account

when i did my calculations my XIRR returns is just a mere 5.6% for GI 30% and 4.3% for GI 36%
however SA MWR shows a 20.8% & 14.4% respectively

there is a huge differences between the both, which cause me the rethink my decision whether to pull out everything from SA n do my self investment or to remain it (if my calculations are wrg)
since if i put the same funds in EPF, i am getting bout the for my GI 30%, and even putting in long term FD for GI 36% would be comparatively good n much more safer

appreciate if any finance experts can help clarifying the above
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This post has been edited by derravile: Jan 23 2024, 04:01 PM
derravile
post Jan 24 2024, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(adele123 @ Jan 24 2024, 08:32 AM)
I put in money from 2021 feb until 2022 march. DCA basically over one year. I am at SRI 30%.

My return is around +3.2% p.a. based on excel. The MWR is around +9% to +10%. I dunno how they calculate but i never bothered about their calculation. I never doubted my calculation because pretty darn sure the +9% to +10% does not make sense. Because if i take my current value divide by total investment value, it is a mere 8%+ return. Over 3 years. smile.gif

I can only confirm that the SA calculation of MWR does not tally with excel XIRR formula. It's not difficult to estimate SA is not per annum return for their MWR. Because it's 20% for your case. If you were making IRR of 20% per year... even with DCA, your investment would be ball park at least 50% more than it was when you started...

You should send an email and get SA to explain the maths behind to you if you so desire. You deserve it.

My suspicion is they probably didnt factor in the 0 8% that they charge us. And they didnt annualise it. Pure suspicion.

According to google yes. MWR and IRR is equivalent but SA MWR macam binatang yang lain.

I digress since you didnt ask but yes i withdrawn from SA 2 days ago. Finally. I acknowledged i invested at a bad time, KWEB was all high when i joined in. I know it is long term but i know what my right investment strategy is now. For MYR holdings, mainly EPF. For overseas, VWRA. No more roboadvisor... after much stumbling in my financial journey, i arrived at ETF and the existence of r/bogleheads.
Even if you can, should you? Would there be other avenues that you can buy VOO or VWRA at a lower cost? Also as non american, remember to look up irish domicile version of VOO.
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Thanks for the clarification, guess I am not alone in this situation

I did a back testing on the returns if based on SA calculations, which is closed to impossible.
That’s the reason I emailed SA for clarification but got a vague respond, I’ll pester them a more time

Guess I ll withdrawing as well after that
derravile
post Jan 24 2024, 10:26 PM

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so i've emailed them today and got a surprising quick response

the formula SA used MWR is the following:
((1+XIRR)^(Years of investment))-1

Also as quoted by SA Team
"MWR is an unannualised figure showing your returns since the portfolio's inception while XIRR is an annualised figure.

Hence, the XIRR of an investment would naturally be lower than MWR as it is computing the average annual return over a period of time."

couldn't find more info bout the difference in calculation...

Guess its time to withdraw them out completely
derravile
post Mar 29 2024, 04:45 PM

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didn't realize there is so much arguments last few days

been using SA for close to 4 years
i have 2 portfolio of 30% & 36%

recently just close my 36% due to underperformance

still keeping my 30%, suprisingly doing marginally better last 1-2 months

anw, the TWA or MWR in SA cannot be trusted....my MWA shows 30% but in my actual calculations is aproximately 7.5%


 

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