I cannot understand this SA thing. is it a unit trust or like p2p financing? only 4.1% return? the value of unit can go up down?
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Apr 15 2023, 05:48 PM
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I cannot understand this SA thing. is it a unit trust or like p2p financing? only 4.1% return? the value of unit can go up down?
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Apr 15 2023, 09:49 PM
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Apr 16 2023, 09:09 AM
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why not buy the fund directly? save on fees
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Apr 17 2023, 08:40 AM
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Apr 17 2023, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE(Super2047 @ Apr 17 2023, 08:47 AM) They can pay out 4.1% by investing 100% in fd? This is so hard to believe. What kind of fd can give them so high return that they can pay their investor 4.1% they put in Easpring fund it seems. I'm a bit curious too. If I invest direct into Eastspring, the sales fees and management fees already 5% &1.5% (I think). Long time no invest in unit trust. |
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Apr 19 2023, 02:26 PM
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I still can't understand StashAway. So if I have RM100k to invest, should I do dollar cost average like in a unit trust? or can I purchase ETFs individually - meaning I select which ETF I'd like to buy like in FSMONE or Rakuten platform?
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Apr 19 2023, 05:35 PM
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 19 2023, 03:59 PM) It all depends on your risk and asset allocation thanks the info help. need to learn to diversity. I'm now close to retirement and my portfolio is 70% real estate. Time to learn to diversity into equity.At 100k I suggest if you DCA and long term holder just buy direct from IBKR as you will save a long term in fees rather than paying fees in SA while buying low cost index funds 🤦♀️ Unless you are person who is 100k to QQQ at Rakuten then you pay only time brokerage at maximum rm100 and you can hold long time for very low but beware that their afX spread is high 🤦♀️ |
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Apr 19 2023, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE(bcombat @ Apr 19 2023, 05:18 PM) Hi, if want assurance to get the 4.x% return…just put in the FD if you quite sure you won’t touch the money for quite some times. ya you're right. similar interst as FD only. arguement of ability to withdraw within shorter business day is irrelevant at least to me since I can already forecast expenses 1 year in advance.SA will inform the unit holder if they can’t meet the projected return in advance ….another word is that it is not guaranteed/ more like a low risk investment. But so far SA simple able to meet the projected return |
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Apr 19 2023, 06:06 PM
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Apr 20 2023, 02:04 PM
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Apr 20 2023, 09:44 AM) . Not yet retire lar. But I can if I want. 5 more years to go. I'm funding my additional REITS purchase from rental. Good thing is REITS pays me interest like bonds which can use to buy more of it. Even at retirement age, it is still.advisable to have some exposure to equities. Its still one of the best way to beat inflation. You will only lose everything if you do silly things. Safest way it to go for broad based indexes. Spx wont go to zero. Vwra wont go to zero. Or really strong blue chips. Like Maybank also wont go to zero (it dropped to below RM3 tho in 2009 n below 2 in 1997). But I agree to start small for beginners and ramp up. . Problem is hard to tell making profit or loss. Every month open the app tell me different number. Lucky didn't use salary to buy. But I don't think it will be a 10x to 20x growth on capital like I see on my properties. Anyway I read more on SA last night. its a Robo advisor! Big black box to me. better not touch. At least unitrust and ETF got human make decision. |
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Apr 20 2023, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE(Cubalagi @ Apr 20 2023, 03:11 PM) I mean even after retire you need some equity exposure, what more if you not retire yet. Sold one of my condo in 2020. then paid about RM10-11k monthly to buy into Sunway, Megamall, Pavilion, a hospital sector and office sector over several years. I know my cost is 300k. but everytime they pay dividend the price suddenly drop so no choice have to use dividend to cost aveage down if not rugi more. Even worse, this stupid reit got private placement then price go down even more. So you see all the cost is all mixed up.You dont know your reits making money or not? How come? Reits disclose financial.reports every quarter. How are u buying your reits if u dont mind to share? Historically, a well run quality MReit should give u an annualized return of 8-10% pa in terms of dividends and price. However, this return can be volatile and your entry points are also important. Back to stashaway, the robo part is a bit exaggerated lah. Still a lot of human factors. I see it just as a lower cost unit trust. I don't know this annualized return% can do for me. I want to know I paid 300k and when I can get it back with good return. Better idea is to use dividend and put in apps like StashAway or Versa ? |
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Apr 20 2023, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE(xander2k8 @ Apr 20 2023, 04:26 PM) Why on earth paying minimum 0.8% yearly when you buy fractional units from IBKR easily using Wise 🤦♀️ tbh i have no clue. I don't plan to sell them for 10 to 15 years. I would have invested in properties but nowadays ROCE is not what it was back 1999 to 2010.You are just paying close 1% yearly while throwing away money to SA 🤦♀️ I don’t you know if you realise or not MREITs love to inflate the value upon dividend announcement and then they will a portion of value of it to distribute as dividends and the unit price will drop to 52 week low 🤦♀️ If you still like holding reits then yes you are dividends are better off putting into Versa but not StashAway due to inconsistent returns 🤦♀️ Better yet take your dividends from REITs and buy consistent dividends growers like Maybank and Petronas Gas instead yeah those 2 stocks sounds good and prolly some utilities like tenaga and Telekom. I don't think these will bankrupt. |
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Apr 21 2023, 11:08 AM
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QUOTE(Hoshiyuu @ Apr 20 2023, 09:22 PM) Also I think it goes without saying, but please don't take financial advice for retirement planning from a random forumer LOL All stock market, unit trust, this new SA or versa all gambling to me. Put money there and hope only. At that kind of networth, get a fixed rate/no commission CFP is probably a better idea. If i ever retire and need some money will do what I'm importing and distributing now. But change the role... distribute ikan bilis volume. What I'm importing and selling making margins about 600% to 900% if calculate distributor price to consumer. Very easy to sell if i drop the price to consumer and make say 400% instead of 600% and use lazada instead of physical store. |
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Apr 26 2023, 08:51 PM
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QUOTE(abcn1n @ Apr 26 2023, 09:59 AM) Really need help pls. Thanks as I know dividend no tax even if repatriate back to Malaysia.1) For Stashaway portfolio, do we have to declare the dividends in the BE tax form? The dividends are automatically changed /reinvested as increased portfolio value 2) If have to declare : 2a)is it under "tax exempt income from sources outside Malaysia received in Malaysia" ? 2b) put country as USA? 2c) or where to put it in the form? if I re invest sure no tax cause the dividend was earned overseas and never bring back to Malaysia. also depends which country as Malaysia may have DTA with them. this is true until 2026 for individuals. |
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Apr 27 2023, 04:08 PM
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Nov 14 2023, 12:48 PM
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Why stashaway platform? it buys ETF am I right? I could directly buy into say STI ETF via other platforms FSM or POEMS.
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Apr 18 2024, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE(iqlas @ Apr 18 2024, 10:14 PM) For flexible portfolio world market etf, it’s better to take ISAC over VT due to lower wht charges correct? Every 10000VT expense 7 Assume 2% dividend wht is 60 Total 67 Isac expense 20 Wht 30 assume 2% yield Stashaway fees 30 at 0.3% Total 80 Difference 13. Just a coffee but most people will tell you buy VWRA cheaper. Total 50 only. Difference 30. I hope I get my math right. iqlas liked this post
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Apr 19 2024, 06:04 PM
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QUOTE(Medufsaid @ Apr 19 2024, 09:17 AM) Ya i know wht rate is 15% That 30 is in usd or rm. Not sure cause I don’t have stashaway. Prefer buy using broker then forget about it for 20 years |
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Jun 20 2024, 04:08 PM
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Jun 22 2024, 11:56 AM
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QUOTE(watabakiu @ Jun 21 2024, 10:21 PM) About to do my initial investment, but it is rather daunting. So, would General Investing by BlackRock @ very aggressive a good point to start? I just checked. It’s 64% US equities and the rest of the world. You pay 0.8% fees annually. Why not do single portfolio and buy ISAC with 0.3% fees annually for similar US/nonUS allocation ? watabakiu liked this post
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