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post Feb 27 2020, 10:41 AM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Feb 27 2020, 10:31 AM)
hence its important to find low expense ratio yet high annualised return for UT

not all UT have 1.5 expense ratio
i saw lowest <0.2% to >2%
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on this Management Expense Ratio (MER)
since it is in ratio.....
thus the below post from another thread would be nice tip to newbies to help them clear some misconception...

QUOTE(MUM @ Feb 25 2020, 06:41 PM)
Yes... Definitely... IF Only you are comparing it with the fund of similar AUM or fund size
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post Feb 27 2020, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Feb 27 2020, 11:05 AM)
https://www.imoney.my/articles/investment-g...sts-and-charges

1. Expense ratio

The costs of owning a fund is called the expense ratio, which is expressed as a percentage of the fund’s assets. This ratio covers the operating expenses of the investment. This is a more realistic indication of the true annual cost

Hmm... How about above statement?
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percentage of fund's asset....
thus fund size matters in 'ratio"

thus compare it with another fund of similar fund size...NOT just by looking at the ratio number BUT forget about the fund size.

This post has been edited by T231H: Feb 27 2020, 11:10 AM
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post Feb 27 2020, 11:16 AM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Feb 27 2020, 11:11 AM)
Example: A unit trust fund with an expense ratio of 1.9%, means that for every RM1,000 invested, approximately RM19 per year will go towards the operating expenses. If the same investment yields a return of 6%, you will receive RM60 as returns. With a gross returns of RM60 minus the expense ratio of RM19, you are only left with RM41 as net returns.

by the example
still the lower the expense ratio, the better right?
based on example given
if 1k invested in 0.1 expense ratio UT
net return is RM50
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just follow as per your earlier post.....

"1. Expense ratio

The costs of owning a fund is called the expense ratio, which is expressed as a percentage of the fund’s assets.
This ratio covers the operating expenses of the investment. This is a more realistic indication of the true annual cost"

are you comparing a ratio?
if you want to compare it in ratio,....are you comparing against another fund of same fund size?
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post Feb 27 2020, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Feb 27 2020, 12:40 PM)
i understand that expense ratio is associated with the fund size.

but what i wanted to express is expense ratio will affect our net return.
what i understand as per previous post by example given by imoney site
higher expense ratio will cost us more resulting lesser net profit

so that example false or true?
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If the fund has higher annual mgmt charges but lower MER due to it large fund size.... Do you think it is cheaper to hold than a fund with low annual mgmt fees but a higher MER due to its small fund size?
High annual mgmt fees but lower MER vs low annual mgmt fees but higher MER... So which one is better to hold?
What is the main caused the high or low MER?
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post Feb 27 2020, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(xcxa23 @ Feb 27 2020, 04:23 PM)
ultimately, we or maybe just ME want to maximise my net return

i dont understand why so hung-up with the fund size associated with the expense ratio
higher expense ratio = higher fee that investor had to pay
or perhaps this statement is wrong?

some financial instrument have ridiculous expense ratio/annual fee despite low return and this happen to both big and small size fund

i do not know about you guys but for me, i am not willing to invest in such financial instrument, high fee, low performance
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Just refer to Yr earlier post..... It did mention percentage of fund' assets...
Bcos you mentioned MER is a concern without taking consideration of comparison of fund size
I myself think differently... I don't mind paying higher fees if the returns is corresponding higher too.
Return is by comparing the navs over a certain period... This navs is nett value.. Which I did not see
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post Mar 15 2020, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(yklooi @ Mar 15 2020, 08:58 AM)
thanks for replying...
but during the current global markets crashing....even those NON US and EU markets are not spared too right?
thus even Wahed should not be spared to a 27% variance right?
slight different I believe is "YES" it is possible, but if it is to be at a 27% variance.....then could it be this?

is there any variance in the risk level selection or FI:EQ ratio selection variance of your portfolio between SA and Wahed?

added image....
see the composition of US/EU market in SAMY and WAHED portfolios...depends on what you select.
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thanks for your probing.....until i get follow up confirmations.....

I will hold my horses for now from jumping into straight into WAHED for the 27% performance variance expertise.
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post Mar 26 2020, 01:58 PM

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QUOTE(red streak @ Mar 26 2020, 01:48 PM)
The real question is in the event of the company going bankrupt, how do we chase after our money and how much will it cost? I don't think anyone really cares who it's held by.
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Trustee matters greatly.....
per this...
safe guarding interest
https://www2.fimm.com.my/investors-rights/1...rdinterests.pdf
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post Apr 22 2020, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 22 2020, 09:09 AM)
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lol don't think the theory applies when he is the country manager.
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Then, his SA portfolio could just be a % of his other more "adventures or higher risk rewarding" investment....
As a country mgr I am sure SA is not his only investment vehicles?
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post Apr 22 2020, 10:35 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 22 2020, 10:29 AM)
well if his true intention was to super hard sell SA he would have dumped all his funds into 36% and convinced viewers that there is absolutely nothing to worry about and everybody should follow his portfolio.
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Then by doing that, he could be jeopedising his reputation as a SA Country mgr... For even readers here know that, that 36% recommendation does not suit all people.... Thus he cannot convince all viewers to do that
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post Apr 22 2020, 10:42 AM

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 22 2020, 10:37 AM)
yalo. which is why i said those who take 36% have big balls.
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That could be a results of their risk appetite & risk capacity...
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QUOTE(Xenopher @ Aug 5 2020, 04:29 PM)
The 1% cash buffer is more than enough to pay since they're charging by monthly, which is just 0.8/12=0.066%.
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the buffer will auto top up (how?) if there is no more buy after the 1st time?
once the 1% buffer depleted, will they sell some of the holding to top up the buffer?
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post Jan 15 2021, 11:40 AM

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I read in another thread that crytho is not a legal tender in malaysia. Thus I think they will not want to add in something that is not a legal which may hv complications with their business license on malaysia
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post Jan 15 2021, 11:45 AM

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QUOTE(GrumpyNooby @ Jan 15 2021, 11:41 AM)
How Luno get around it then?
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Different license?
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post Mar 25 2021, 08:45 AM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 25 2021, 08:33 AM)
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Wait another small drop then can buy last night almost 9% drop really crazy just on KWEB those on 36% must be pissed off at least small 3% wipeout

PDD already time to buy in  rclxms.gif
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You mean the pricing of 36% risk index dropped abt 3% due to KWEB dropped abt 9% last night?
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post Mar 25 2021, 09:15 AM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 25 2021, 09:01 AM)
Yes the returns got shaved off by 3% the only good thing it is because of gold is hedging at 20% it is minimising the drop itself

If you have 30% portfolio you can see the difference because lesser weight age KWEB hence only 1.5% drop on it which it is most stable at the moment

Wait for awhile when RM exchange open it might return only another 0.3% gains thanks to rise in oil prices
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notworthy.gif that means (if everything remained the same), buying in now will be "cheaper" by 3% from yesterday.....for the 36% RI and abt 1.5% for 30%RI thumbup.gif
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post Mar 25 2021, 09:30 AM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 25 2021, 09:23 AM)
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Not really because when market opens it can go either higher or lower when the market it is volatile

Doesn’t means it closed at 75 today open can go high or low depending on what happens to HKSE for KWEB

Btw, KWEB it is technically started correction mode now as it is trading the same level before the uptrend since Dec29 levels

Tonight will be another small bloodbath coming soon another 0.8 to 1.28% dropped on 36%
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can we take advantage of the precalculated 6 hours earlier pricing in SA for it (to get the 3% lower price)?

QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 21 2021, 11:09 AM)
Technical charts are one thing, fees is another thing

The lag time in SA is nothing because Forex rates are on the same day conversion hence minimal impact when investing on SA

Even buying direct ETF there is a lag time because bid price may not appear even when you put in the order directly which you will not have control on SA because the buy price is pre calculated 6 hours earlier before they put the buy order on the same day

The impact is so minimal it less than RM1 or $0.25 per unit unless you are talking about buying a million units which is why you can see on Rm3million it is only costs RM500 per month which is only 0.2%

If you factor in rebalancing charges it is on a smaller account with 0.8% it is still cheaper than you buying multi class asset with fractional units which some brokers do charge on fractional units
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post Mar 25 2021, 09:42 AM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 25 2021, 09:40 AM)
No way because they are not market maker hence they have no control on KWEB unless you buy it direct through Krane at a preset price because they will not have a hold on those stakes they are buying
Your luck it is 8% and 2% actions and 90% through your mindset  rclxms.gif

Now Market open in HK Baidu, Alibaba and Tencent already 5% drop

Looks tonight KWEB will have a big chance to drop below 70 and currently see whether Krane will rebalance Tencent holdings because they already almost 10% threshold at 9.92% and see whether they buy more Baidu, BiliBili and PDD
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i meant i want the 3% drop in SA price not the drops of 9% in KWEB price
since SA has pre calculated price of 6 hour.....can take advantage of it?
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post Mar 25 2021, 09:51 AM

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QUOTE(xander83 @ Mar 25 2021, 09:48 AM)
If you can take advantage SA can close shop already

If you want to take advantage go buy direct and DIY through your brokerage because you will never have control on the buy price on SA

You will only have control on your deposit which is USDMYR conversion which already RM dropped another 0.3% now

The pre calculated 6 hour price are just fallacy because you won’t know the entry until the broker Saxo execute the orders tomorrow  doh.gif
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so having known the 6 hour pre calculated price is on no use then.... thumbsup.gif

then can forget about that info on that post
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post Apr 25 2021, 06:30 AM

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QUOTE(ChipZ @ Apr 25 2021, 12:43 AM)
I invested 2 x RM10000 since a year ago and didnt really look into it. It's has dropped sad.gif

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Thanks for posting this hardly seen info... notworthy.gif notworthy.gif

hope newbies that are intending to joins (even at "safest" risk index level)...read this...

hope you can continue to update the status from time to time
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post Apr 25 2021, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(ChipZ @ Apr 25 2021, 12:21 PM)
I remember during the first 2 months I was making some gain. Then I tried not to monitor it (trusting whoever managing it).
Should I stay put and be hopeful it will go up in the long term?
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Past data on mkts had always favour long terms... Thus I believe your fund will also go up in long terms, but this long terms is subjective. But past mkts shows if more than 8 yrs,... Very high chances of making decent gains.....
Just don't cut lose during the bear

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